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#126
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I have the feeling that Shepard will be the next Blasto in the new series, his/her story will be just a movie in the new universe, portrayed by actors, we could even meet some of the normandy family's actors. This way there will be no need to pick one ending, all of them are fictional.

 

I hope I'm wrong.



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No. I refuse. Denied.

 

But in all seriousness I am certain they would not pull that. Then we'd have to play as blasto the Hanar for the total mind-bend...



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I like it



#129
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Destroy is the choice which, generally, leads to the most happy endings and will probably be the least morally controversial.

It's more about most "moving-forward" friendly options IMO. In both Control &Synth, Reapers are still present in the galaxy. In a different form but nevertheless, it would be just silly to not give them substantial follow-up story regarding their nature in new Control/Synthesis world. Which would mean Reaper-theme againa and they obviously wanna move from it completly, close Reaper-story in ME for good and start new things.



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That too, I can agree. They couldn't just gloss over the fact the reapers are still around and if they are they just gained a natural immunity.then there will inevitably be some time to Shepard, especially in Control.

 

And it would take out one of the larger decisions in the third mass effect away if it were late into the future, the Geth-Quarian issue. You could say that Rannoch was recolonized by Quarians post-war regardless of who won the second Morning war because there would be no Geth anyways. Say those who were out in the world already just came home to set up shop. It wouldn't please those who chose the Geth (like me) very much but it is a solution to that scenario. The Krogan might be a bit of a larger issue though... I think the majority of people cured the Genophage though so they might go with that option just based on popularity.



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I honestly can't see them making a single canon ending for ME Next. I highly suspect they'll design the game in such a way as the choices we made in the trilogy are essentially moot.

 

Whether they take us to another galaxy before the events in ME3 take place (eg. the Ark scenario) or somehow isolate us from those events... you have to be a little clever about it, but it's doable.



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My opinion on the endings is that they should be vague on them in NME. Just say the Reapers were "defeated" when the galaxy united against them and let the player fill in the blanks themselves.


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I have the feeling that Shepard will be the next Blasto in the new series, his/her story will be just a movie in the new universe, portrayed by actors, we could even meet some of the normandy family's actors. This way there will be no need to pick one ending, all of them are fictional.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

And I hope you're right  :D



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Honestly I want them to choose an ending an make it canon. Everytime I play ME3 I choose Destroy. It's my personal preference. But, if they decided to make Control or Synthesis  canon it wouldn't really bother me either way. I just want the new one to be connected to the trilogy in some way.



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Obviously canonising an ending would solve many issues and make a sequel easier, but it would also add more problems. As we all know, a lot of people complained about how ''Our choices didn't matter!'' after ME3 was released. The ending decision, as well as most of the Mass Effect trilogy, was the defining moment of this universe's history. Almost everything afterwards would be affected by a future sequel. I don't know how fans would react, but I know at least some wouldn't be happy about how their choices were being thrown out the window, again.

 

I personally don't mind much. I just want a good Mass Effect game. If they can make one that somehow avoids having to deal with those issues, then all the better. We know that Bioware probably established that the ending of Mass Effect 3 would be the definitive end of the timeline (initially), but with the EC they probably decided to leave some doors open purposly for a sequel if they wanted. I guess we'll just wait and see.



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I think they will get around the ending choice through a theory that myself and a few others have. ME4 will be set in another galaxy or in an unknown region of the Milky Way where a last ditch group of humans, aliens etc. were sent during ME3 to survive and escape the reapers. Hundreds or thousands of years after this group was sent they have now colonised many planets so that it is similar to the space faring community in the other Mass Effect games. This allows all races from the other games to survive and flourish, with the ending choices not affecting what happens during the game.



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Hm... Sounds similar to something I'd proposed in another place, a story taking place in the unexplored regions of the Galaxy between Relays. It works, it allows the story to be far removed and would not be canon-breaking. It'd open up a lot possibly, though it would also require that massive gap in time to work out.



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Some of the problems I have with traversing to another galaxy are based on the assumption that the Reapers were contained within the Milk Way. If we go to another galaxy that lacks Mass Relays, then the technology will likely be substantially different since whatever civilizations within this new galaxy didn't develop along the same 'paths' as the current species. Additionally, I think the design aesthetic of ships, weapons, armors etc will also have developed differently. For both of these reasons, I can't see much in the way of familiarity with the current series.

 

Of course, this argument can also be applied to having a sequel set centuries after ME3, but at least their is the possibility of visiting previously explored regions and remaining with mostly similar species. At the least, it'd help build continuity more.



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If they were going to make an ending canon, it would have to be Destroy or Control.

 

Synthesis would just complicate things way too much, and would probably ****** of the majority of fans. The whole organic/synthetic thing would be such a ****** to work around.

 

Destroy and Control are simple. Either the Universe carries on as it did without Reapers, or it carries on as it did but with the Reapers and maybe new technology.



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Hm... Sounds similar to something I'd proposed in another place, a story taking place in the unexplored regions of the Galaxy between Relays. It works, it allows the story to be far removed and would not be canon-breaking. It'd open up a lot possibly, though it would also require that massive gap in time to work out.

 

Doesn't necessarily have to happen out of relay range. If ark type ship went into unexplored space, just mention that the portion they went is inaccessible via Mass Effect relay. Think of the Charon relay. It was disabled. I'm sure we can invent ways to have Relay XYZ deactivated. This would allow the game to be relatively close in time with ME3.

 

Since we are talking about this stuff, here is what I proposed a while back: 

 

''Just wanted to push this idea a little bit further. We know that in the Milky Way, there are many parts that are unexplored or inaccessible. The Council banned any new exploration after the Rachni incident. Who's to say that other species aren't living in those areas?

Just look at humanity. Because the Charon relay was frozen, nobody knew about them. If humans hadn't turned on that relay, nobody would've discovered them.

Also, don't forget that most species have sent expeditions into deep space without ever hearing from them again. In case any of you remember this story:  
Alliance Links Lost Colony with Manswell Expedition of 2070

 

A cool theory would be that just before the final battle with the Reapers, the Council species secretly sent out a sort of Noah's Ark with all the species in a last ditch effort to preserve their future. They happen to land in an area inaccessible with the Mass Relay's, which saves us from having to deal with the ending choices. They then have to try and remake contact with the rest of the galaxy while dealing with new environements and species.

Just throwing out some ideas''


Adding to this: Liara says we aren't very widespread, and very little of the galaxy is explored. To make it more ''Mass-Effecty'' You could even start the story 100-200 years down the line, and our species (Asari, Turian, Salarian, etc.) having established colonies in that unexplored region. Add some inter-species tension(cold war), some new environements, and a few new (and potentially hostile) species, and BAM. 

You get a great game AND something that will not set a nuke off in BSN;)



#141
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If that info is true then it sounds good to me, but hopefully they will fix the bugs in Frostbite3 so it's not as bad as BF4 currently is. 

 

I'm glad they are designing it as next gen, at least the visuals should be much more scalable than the plastic looking textures/animations of ME3.  Don't get me wrong, I love the series (except for the ending), but the visuals in ME3 were like pre-2007 in terms of what a PC game should look like.

 

Hopefully we will hear some more info at PAX East, which is only a month away



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I don't put a lot of faith in these new "details". While some of them make sense, thats really all they do. They are sort of the common sense guesses that anyone who followed ME3's development and follows BioWare employees on Twitter can make. Lets see here:

 

1 - "Mass Effect 4 is not called ME4, but..." Well, we were saying that back when I worked at BioWare. Could things have changed since I worked there? Absolutely. But we were stressing almost a year ago that it wasn't going to be called ME4, but it was something else entirely.

 

2 - "Third person" - very likely, but just a guess. ME1-3 were 3rd person so until BioWare says something else, that just kind of makes sense.

 

3 - "Multiplayer returns. A no brainer..." yeah, so why say it?

 

4 - "Exploration is a core theme" - like in the first 3 ME games. So not a big leap of faith here.

 

5 - "New Races" - again, absolutely no foundation for this, but totally makes sense. There were new races between chapters in the previous games, so makes sense.

 

6 - "A sequel is likely" - total guess. I for one don't believe in "our sources" for a minute. I know first hand how important secrecy on a new project is to BioWare. Until things are actually confirmed by BioWare any discussion of a sequel, prequel, etc is 100% guesswork. Any discussion or claims that some sort of inside source is leaking information (other than open public Twitter posts, etc) is complete garbage.

 

7 - "Next-Gen focus' - Likely. I personally don't think the next ME game will be out for 1-2 years. Dragon Age: Inquisition is BioWare's game for this year. That would put MENext out in 2015 or 2016 (I think we all hope 2015. We'll see if anything is revealed at E3 this year or not. That'll be a pretty big indicator.) Thinking that it will be a year or two away will mean that last gen will be farther and farther back, so a next-gen focus, after price drops and tech fixes, makes good sense.

 

8 - "PAX leak" - I've made my position on internal leaks clear. They can accidentally happen (like when the BioWare director of design Alistair McNally tweeted about seeking new designers for the next Dragon Age game before it was officially announced there was a next DA game), but purposefully happen? Lies. It could be someone like me, a former employee, claiming they know something but there is no way it is a current employee with actual, up-to-date information. No one wants to risk their job to provide details. As for PAX (either East or Prime) I doubt it'll happen. I love PAXes, they were my favorite cons to attend and they are gaining more and more respect within the industry as places to show new material. That said, they will always be behind E3 in North America for announcing new games and tech. The press cares for E3 far more than PAX and there are far more opportunities for major coverage at E3. Still, like you all, I'll be watching for news at PAXEast and we'll see what happens.

 

Overall, this "new material' is nothign but educated guesses that pretty much all ME fans could have made coupled with, what are in my opinion, bald-faced lies about "internal sources' providing information. I love "unnamed, internal sources' because if any of the guesses turn out to be true, then it was because of leaks and if they turn out to be false, no one cares.

 

So, take everythign with a grain of salt till you hear it from BioWare. That is a rumor you can bank on.

 

 

Edit: Someone poited out to me that I am still listed as a BioWare employee. To be clear, I do not work for BioWare anymore. My time with them ended back in July 2013. I have messaged Jessica to get myself taken off the employees list.

 

 

 

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#143
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1. Irrelevant news 

 

2. Irrelevant news

 

3. Not surprising, it was very successful in 3.

 

4. Good. 

 

5. Tentative but it wouldn't surprise me, there are suppose to be more races then what we've seen on screen and in print. 

 

6. Is this really surprising?  

 

7. Duh. What's it suppose to come out on? The PS2?

 

8. Unconfirmed but likely, so basically telling us something may or may not happen at pax...how exhilarating. :mellow:



#144
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I put three to seven grains of salt into leaks involving NeoGAF personalities with reasonably proven track records, regardless of obviousness and ambiguity in articles themselves, though, Chris. An important distinction; while it's still not a thing I'm going to harbor even the most remote delusions must be true, nor shall I be terribly surprised to discover otherwise, it is worthy of more than outright dismissal in these cases.

Plus, there's definitely a major distinction between exploration as a driving narrative force and the flavor of gameplay exploration involving looking behind a pillar for an ammo upgrade or some such. There is something good to be said for ME1's assignment worlds over ME2's and 3's more linear, fewer-locations approach. It felt like you were out on the fringe more back then, ironic considering the whole Terminus Systems lore thing.

The vibe here from a three-to-seven-salt-grain article like this is more akin to space exploration tying into the plot itself, rather than, say, "chasing Saren", "stopping the Collectors", "ending the Reapers."

That said, it's no secret many fans want that kind of fourth game, so catering to those known interests and flavoring a dubious article with such a mention is very much a possibility.

With you on an E3 2014 reveal being an indication of whether to expect a potential 2015 release of the game or not. Late 2015 to mid 2016 remains my barely-educated guess, but I'll be a lot more inclined to think the former is likely if we see anything on the game in June.
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#145
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Guess Chris is right, but still, sounds good!

 

And damn, I was really thinking you'd be back at Bioware :D



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Overall, this "new material' is nothign but educated guesses that pretty much all ME fans could have made coupled with, what are in my opinion, bald-faced lies about "internal sources' providing information.

 

A lot of them are educated guesses, as implied by the information, and I recognise this is hardly a mind blowing megaton of news and instead a lot of stuff people knew and expected (I'm pretty sure I state that at the start), but I assure you I made up or lied about absolutely 0% of what is written there. I'm not in the business of fabricating information about a series I enjoy, when it serves no me no benefit.



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Your track record ups the sodium content considerably, EatChildren. I assure you. I don't need to be part of NeoGAF to be passingly familar with this shindig; GameFAQs keeps me apprised on the industry whenever I desire.

 

If it were someone else I'd be giving it a single grain, but not so with you. I implore anyone on the fence about this to take the NeoGAF record into account here before completely dismissing it.



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Well eatchildren, I would say it behooves any press person to have their information read and believed.  So the benefit of you claiming you have some insider telling you information not available to other members of the public should be pretty obvious. It establishes you as someone with "more" or different info from other people due to your "connection". This means more people would listen to you or read what you say and adds credibility to your posts.

 

I don't think your information is esecially wrong or necessarily incorrect. We've now both mentioned how much of it could be educated guesses made by fans. I'm also not doubting you are a fan. However, I TOTALLY doubt you have any especial insider info fed to you by BioWare or BioWare staff. Obviously you can't prove this. Either I am right and it is made up or it is rel and the only way you could prove it would be to out your "source", which as a "journalist" you won't do. So there is a benefit to you making things up and, unfortunately, no way to prove it until BioWare reveals actual details.

 

 

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I don't put a lot of faith in these new "details". While some of them make sense, thats really all they do. They are sort of the common sense guesses that anyone who followed ME3's development and follows BioWare employees on Twitter can make. Lets see here:

 

6 - "A sequel is likely" - total guess. I for one don't believe in "our sources" for a minute. I know first hand how important secrecy on a new project is to BioWare. Until things are actually confirmed by BioWare any discussion of a sequel, prequel, etc is 100% guesswork. Any discussion or claims that some sort of inside source is leaking information (other than open public Twitter posts, etc) is complete garbage.

 

Now c'mon Chris  :P  Right now there's a guy on GAF leaking info on AC5 after he (correctly) leaked details on AC4 and The Crew. From Bioware's own recent ME history - someone on SomethingAwful leaked a bunch of ME3 details. One of the details was Javik's name which turned out to be true months later and thus we knew he had inside knowledge. I'm not saying the GAF info from EatChildren is totally 100% true and obviously the 'core' dev team at BW or other studios never leak stuff but it's not like it's only the core dev team that has access to info about a game in developement. Just following GAF for few months exposes how much stuff leaks months/years before games get released



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Sure. Everyone remembers the times "leaks" end up being true and site them as "it happens". People don't remember all the times someone claims insider knowledge that doesn't pan out. A broken clock right twice a day and all that. I think if it were possible to record a graph of all the true leaks and all the false leaks, the false would greatly outweight the true.

 

Do leaks happen? Absolutely. I think the Javik one you mentioned came from someone in a testing lab for one of the platforms who showed what he was working on to a friend. They were tracked down and, iirc, fired for doing so as EA takes that sort of thing seriously and that was much closer to release than I would guess MENext is currently. You are right that there are people outside of BioWare employees who have been known to leak things and it could be the case. I went back and reread what Eatchildren said and they never said it was a BioWare source. That is totally my fault. Sorry eatchildren. As you point out, it could be someone who isn't a BioWare employee, but works on BioWare games in some capacity.

 

Personally, I hope it is fake anyways. As a former industry person, the idea that some creep is out there sitting at their machine, being given confidential information and then spreading it outwards to seem cool or in the know makse my skin crawl a bit. That sort of little oik who has nothing going on but to prove they are somehow cool because they disregard their oath/work agreement to seem more important to anonymous people on the internet is, to me, sad.

 

So, now we wait and see whether the details are real or not and when we'll learn them or not.

 

Again, to eatchildren, my apologies for not reading your op better. I still don't like any sort of press, internet or not, that claims insider info without any facts that can be proven, but that is my personal glitch, not his/her fault.

 

 

 

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