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[tywinsregards]

Didn't he said that atheism don't exist in thedas? (well i don't know how disbelif can't exist but well...)

 

And i hope again i won't be forced to any system belif because im human/qunari/elf i want decide what my character belive as i could in dao so i hope it won't take shitty rpg game route like da 2

I guess what there saying is that the belief of believing in absolutely nothing doesn't exist but you don't have to believe in the Maker. It would be odd to be an Atheist IMO in the Dragon Age world since there is magic.

[Daerog]

That doesn't stop Morrigan.

[tywinsregards]

Well, it's badge seems full of Andrastean symbolism.  Sword of Mercy + Sun of the Maker.

 

And in practical terms, the area we're operating in must be 95%+ Andrastean, so it'd be pretty hard to avoid having a basically Andrastean character.

That's because the original Inquisition was a part of the Chantry but split and formed the various sub groups like the Templars and Seekers if i'm not mistaken.

[tywinsregards]

That doesn't stop Morrigan.

I think she does at the very least believe in her own magic which is something from somewhere greater than yourself.

[Daerog]

No, the original Inquisition was its own. It was independent. The Chantry grew, made a deal with it which included it joining as a part of the Chantry structure and splitting into the Templars and the Seekers. The Chantry wished to oversee it because it was a very zealous organization that wanted to control mages and the Chantry wanted to put a leash on it. That is just how I saw it anyway it what has been said, a big group somewhat out of control and the Chantry wanted to lessen the danger of it by controlling it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Certainly isn't common. Only examples I can think off the top of my head are Aveline expressing serious doubts and Isabela expressing serious apathy.

Well true when it don't have to be common i doubt that peoples disbelif in gods can't exist... that always was in case and aveline was more agnostic than atheist when isabela doesn't say much on that topic...

Warden could express disbelif in maker even human could say that just superstitions hawke was enforced to be andriastian but well to be honest rp in da 2 was terrible and i m worried because of 3 possible responses in dai it will end still same when my character will be enfored to care or follow religion more or less like hawke it is bad when mass effect crushes you in creating you own character when you can be atheist or religious there...  

 

 

I guess what there saying is that the belief of believing in absolutely nothing doesn't exist but you don't have to believe in the Maker. It would be odd to be an Atheist IMO in the Dragon Age world since there is magic.

How don't beliving in god can't exist do you mean that you can't not belive in god?Magic hardly matters in beliving in god as morrigan said fact that magic exist doesn't mean that maker/or god exist same with nature if we have nautre and other world not does that mean there is god? Well i think that you mistaken with someone that doesn't belive in anything atheist can belive in for example philosophies , humans ,science or other set of belifs even buddhists are atheists.

[Daerog]

I think she does at the very least believe in her own magic which is something from somewhere greater than yourself.

 

It comes from the Fade, which she understands and acknowledges, but that doesn't make her a theist, and she could still be seen as an atheist. The Fade can just be viewed as another part of the cosmos, another universe, but one can still be an atheist and believe in a multiverse. She doesn't see the Fade as something greater, just another fact of life.

 

Still, I do sort of agree with your original post, but not because of magic.

[tywinsregards]

Well true when it don't have to be common i doubt that peoples disbelif in gods can't exist... that always was in case and aveline was more agnostic than atheist when isabela doesn't say much on that topic...

Warden could express disbelif in maker even human could say that just superstitions hawke was enforced to be andriastian but well to be honest rp in da 2 was terrible and i m worried because of 3 possible responses in dai it will end still same when my character will be enfored to care or follow religion more or less like hawke it is bad when mass effect crushes you in creating you own character when you can be atheist or religious there...

 

 

How don't beliving in god can't exist do you mean that you can't not belive in god?Magic hardly matters in beliving in god as morrigan said fact that magic exist doesn't mean that maker/or god exist same with nature if we have nautre and other world not does that mean there is god? Well i think that you mistaken with someone that doesn't belive in anything atheist can belive in for example philosophies , humans ,science or other set of belifs even buddhists are atheists.

I was more so stating that it would be odd for people in a world full of magic and alternate realms to believe in nothing when they have proof of something greater than theirselves or at the very least a ridiculously OP mage at hand. My personal belief is....well I don't care really

[tywinsregards]

It comes from the Fade, which she understands and acknowledges, but that doesn't make her a theist, and she could still be seen as an atheist. The Fade can just be viewed as another part of the cosmos, another universe, but one can still be an atheist and believe in a multiverse. She doesn't see the Fade as something greater, just another fact of life.

 

Still, I do sort of agree with your original post, but not because of magic.

Then I stand corrected and she can be considered an atheist. Forgive me but I know next to nothing about atheism

[Daerog]

Then I stand corrected and she can be considered an atheist. Forgive me but I know next to nothing about atheism

 

Nothing to be forgiven, it's just another belief system. Won't claim to be an expert on it and I could be wrong, since I don't adhere to it.

 

However, while she may be considered one, doesn't mean that she is. Morrigan could have a belief system or believe there might be something greater that she just doesn't know about, which would make her agnostic I think. But she has already shown to dismiss the Maker as a god, or at least the current beliefs about him.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I was more so stating that it would be odd for people in a world full of magic and alternate realms to believe in nothing when they have proof of something greater than theirselves or at the very least a ridiculously OP mage at hand. My personal belief is....well I don't care really

 

So if person belive in ghost , aliens or anything mystical he/she have to belive in god?

Well i can quote morrigan

• Leliana: I'm wondering Morrigan... do you believe in the Maker?
• Morrigan: Certainly not. I've no primitive fear of the moon such that I must place my faith in tales so that I may sleep at night.
• Leliana: But this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wondrous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist.
• Morrigan: The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure.

[Veruin]

Didn't Gaider say Morrigan wasn't an atheist or something like that?

I remember he chimed in about atheism in Dragon Age, but cannot exactly remember what he said about it.

[tywinsregards]

 

So if person belive in ghost , aliens or anything mystical he/she have to belive in god?

Well i can quote morrigan

• Leliana: I'm wondering Morrigan... do you believe in the Maker?
• Morrigan: Certainly not. I've no primitive fear of the moon such that I must place my faith in tales so that I may sleep at night.
• Leliana: But this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wondrous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist.
• Morrigan: The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure.

 

No but I would think they would believe in something greater than themselves whether its nature or just the energy around you. Besides shes just not accepting the maker but does that mean she doesn't believe in absolutely anything remains to be seen but I would think that she believes in magic at the very least. Also you have to understand that there is a massive difference between our world and the world of DA because they have dragons, alternate realms and magic in there face like its common place and if we were in that situation it would be hard to deny anything.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Didn't Gaider say Morrigan wasn't an atheist or something like that?

I remember he chimed in about atheism in Dragon Age, but cannot exactly remember what he said about it.

 

He said that true but he said that atheism doesn't exist in thedas so well considering that it is rarher impossible because you won't tell me that there everyone have to belive in god... so well it is rather twisted weather she is atheist but if dg enters the stage that there is no atheists at all well...

 

 

No but I would think they would believe in something greater than themselves whether its nature or just the energy around you. Besides shes just not accepting the maker but does that mean she doesn't believe in absolutely anything remains to be seen but I would think that she believes in magic at the very least.

 

And again you can think that weather is controled by gods as well sea like long time ago peoples belived and you can consider those things greater than yourself simple magic is part of universe as nautre , weather plants in our and point of that was that existence of those things doesn't mean that god exist or it was created by it... I never said that morrigan was atheist (but she lefts such impression) but as i said above DG said there is no atheism in thedas so well... and no again atheist isn;'t person that doesn't belive in anything atheist doesn't belive in god and thats all that means you can still belive in humans , science and see on magic as part of nature or universe instead god creation as i said Buddhists have religion but they are atheists because they don't belive in god...

[Andraste_Reborn]

Being an atheist has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in magic, the supernatural, or something greater than yourself. And that's especially true in Thedas, where magic is demonstrably a thing that exists, unlike a God or gods. (Atheists in our world are a lot less likely to believe in magic or the supernatural, since there are mages and dragons on every street corner.)

 

An atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in the existence of any deities. It's even possible to be an atheist and still practice some kinds of religion - as far as we've seen the Qun appears to be a religion without any gods.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Being an atheist has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in magic, the supernatural, or something greater than yourself. And that's especially true in Thedas, where magic is demonstrably a thing that exists, unlike a God or gods. (Atheists in our world are a lot less likely to believe in magic or the supernatural, since there are mages and dragons on every street corner.)

 

An atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in the existence of any deities. It's even possible to be an atheist and still practice some kinds of religion - as far as we've seen the Qun appears to be a religion without any gods.

Well dg said as well that qunari aren't atheists but i agree with your post... but we have sure that qunari don't have any gods?

[tywinsregards]

Being an atheist has nothing to do with whether or not you believe in magic, the supernatural, or something greater than yourself. And that's especially true in Thedas, where magic is demonstrably a thing that exists, unlike a God or gods. (Atheists in our world are a lot less likely to believe in magic or the supernatural, since there are mages and dragons on every street corner.)

 

An atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in the existence of any deities. It's even possible to be an atheist and still practice some kinds of religion - as far as we've seen the Qun appears to be a religion without any gods.

 

 

He said that true but he said that atheism doesn't exist in thedas so well considering that it is rarher impossible because you won't tell me that there everyone have to belive in god... so well it is rather twisted weather she is atheist but if dg enters the stage that there is no atheists at all well...

 

 

 

And again you can think that weather is controled by gods as well sea like long time ago peoples belived and you can consider those things greater than yourself simple magic is part of universe as nautre , weather plants in our and point of that was that existence of those things doesn't mean that god exist or it was created by it... I never said that morrigan was atheist (but she lefts such impression) but as i said above DG said there is no atheism in thedas so well... and no again atheist isn;'t person that doesn't belive in anything atheist doesn't belive in god and thats all that means you can still belive in humans , science and see on magic as part of nature or universe instead god creation as i said Buddhists have religion but they are atheists because they don't belive in god...

Then if that is true there can be Atheism, what i'm saying is that the belief in absolutely nothing would be odd whatever its called. I equated the two incorrectly so it would seem.

[tywinsregards]

Well dg said as well that qunari aren't atheists but i agree with your post... but we have sure that qunari don't have any gods?

So far they have philosophies but no gods but there isn't much known at this point

[Andraste_Reborn]

Well dg said as well that qunari aren't atheists but i agree with your post... but we have sure that qunari don't have any gods?

 

They don't have any that we know of, but what we don't know about the Qun could probably fill a lot of books.

[Anvos]

I think he meant that you can't be Dalish and follow the Qun at the same time, not that you can't be Dalish at all.

 

 

This ^^^^

 

 

To be a proper Dalish your supposed to believe in the old ways and to be part of the Qun you have to have a role and be placed under the qunari's organized system.  Also to be a Dalish Mage you can't be living by the qun.

 

Plus there is the fact that I believe the Dalish are stated to hate the qunari because they are leading their people and the city elves further away from the old ways.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That was a city elf who hated the Qunari for doing that. The Dalish probably aren't fond the Qunari general attitude, but don't have a specific grudge.

[tywinsregards]

Now that I think about it what is the Qunari's role in all of this or has it not been mentioned yet?

[dewayne31]

I believe it was Mark Darrah who in my mind put this to rest. short no. i'll think the video.

 

[LobselVith8]

I think she does at the very least believe in her own magic which is something from somewhere greater than yourself.

Morrigan does point out that magic and spirits don't necessitate that there is an intelligent design to the world, in her religious debate with Leliana. The Warden could also say he didn't believe in the Maker and doesn't believe in Andraste's divinity. Life in Thedas doesn't necessitate believe in a higher power.

[dragonflight288]

I don't mind if my Inquisition has a largely Andrastian membership, but I hope that my Inquisitor (especially my future dwarven, qunari and elven one) have the option of following the creators, the stone or whatever the qunari one believes.