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[Mokthr]

Stompi wrote...

There are always some spoilers in trailers. And if they don't use ingame material, people will still complain about fake marketing.

Very true.

[hangmans tree]

I apologize for inapropriate use of F word - heat of the moment.



Rent a PC game?

Demo maybe? Still no?



OK, first and foremost I watch only official BW media released. To my mind devs should take care what they relesa or give proper titles to media in question. How would you feel reading or watching a movie trailer which shows whos the killer (which is revealed at the end)?



And since when "hype" must be generated by relesing most crucial info - storyline? You can boast everything else - gameplay, graphics, combat system, rpg elements and whatnot.

My expectations are mostly story and rpg related - combat and everything else is a secondary feature. And I'd bet most of the audience is the same. With you Bioware its always about the story/plot. So why undermine your strongest asset?

What is the best thing in starting a game? The bug that sucks you in from the beginning and keeps sick till the end (or death do us part)...and I dare to say we already know the whole beginning - you die, get rescued and rebuilt, Illusive lays out his plan, you cooperate due to lack of choice really...the facility you're in is probably attaceked, you have to flee, begin to search out for allies based on Cerberus info...and on and on...

Whers the fun in knowing how the game will start? It supposed to build the interest in you, and you take that away by releasing so many info before the launch.



Besides, BW has a possition in the market and ME set some standards and built pretty firm fanbase which can only spread/grow. So many spoilerous info is not needed or should be better camouflaged, or maybe the releases should be more enigmatic?



I need not to argue, just laying out some points for you to consider...

[toksikshok]

just flash the name "Mass Effect 2" really quick

[SkywardDescent]

verskk wrote...

Who chose to watch all that content?

[ExarKun00720]

hangmans tree wrote...

I apologize for inapropriate use of F word - heat of the moment.

Rent a PC game?
Demo maybe? Still no?

OK, first and foremost I watch only official BW media released. To my mind devs should take care what they relesa or give proper titles to media in question. How would you feel reading or watching a movie trailer which shows whos the killer (which is revealed at the end)?

And since when "hype" must be generated by relesing most crucial info - storyline? You can boast everything else - gameplay, graphics, combat system, rpg elements and whatnot.
My expectations are mostly story and rpg related - combat and everything else is a secondary feature. And I'd bet most of the audience is the same. With you Bioware its always about the story/plot. So why undermine your strongest asset?
What is the best thing in starting a game? The bug that sucks you in from the beginning and keeps sick till the end (or death do us part)...and I dare to say we already know the whole beginning - you die, get rescued and rebuilt, Illusive lays out his plan, you cooperate due to lack of choice really...the facility you're in is probably attaceked, you have to flee, begin to search out for allies based on Cerberus info...and on and on...
Whers the fun in knowing how the game will start? It supposed to build the interest in you, and you take that away by releasing so many info before the launch.

Besides, BW has a possition in the market and ME set some standards and built pretty firm fanbase which can only spread/grow. So many spoilerous info is not needed or should be better camouflaged, or maybe the releases should be more enigmatic?

I need not to argue, just laying out some points for you to consider...

You don't think bioware already had several people think up these ideas? They are not mindless husks there, I am sure they had tons of people who said everything you just said, in the end they felt this might work better, even if some others disagreed the decsion was made.

At the end of the day like other said, the decison was made and know you you make the choice to watch those adverts.

I still to this day thinks Pirates of The Carabien: The Black Pearl would have been far me epic if they never used adverts to tell us the Black Pearl was all undead people, but they did and we all lived with it, was it still a good movie?  Yeah it was, despite what may have been if that part of the story had been kept secret, it was still fun to watch.

[hangmans tree]

ExarKun00720 wrote...

You don't think bioware already had several people think up these ideas? They are not mindless husks there, I am sure they had tons of people who said everything you just said, in the end they felt this might work better, even if some others disagreed the decsion was made.

At the end of the day like other said, the decison was made and know you you make the choice to watch those adverts.

I still to this day thinks Pirates of The Carabien: The Black Pearl would have been far me epic if they never used adverts to tell us the Black Pearl was all undead people, but they did and we all lived with it, was it still a good movie?  Yeah it was, despite what may have been if that part of the story had been kept secret, it was still fun to watch.

To me its still just dulling of the experience in favour of so called hype and marketing...which by the way eats a lot resources with 50/50% chance of paying back - all figures are just that - speculations.

[homicidaIpanda]

they should just throw a warning before every video....warning story spoilers....etc..i dont mind seeing gamplay but seeing the story bothers me

Modifié par homicidaIpanda, 21 janvier 2010 - 10:47 .

[ExarKun00720]

hangmans tree wrote...

ExarKun00720 wrote...

You don't think bioware already had several people think up these ideas? They are not mindless husks there, I am sure they had tons of people who said everything you just said, in the end they felt this might work better, even if some others disagreed the decsion was made.

At the end of the day like other said, the decison was made and know you you make the choice to watch those adverts.

I still to this day thinks Pirates of The Carabien: The Black Pearl would have been far me epic if they never used adverts to tell us the Black Pearl was all undead people, but they did and we all lived with it, was it still a good movie?  Yeah it was, despite what may have been if that part of the story had been kept secret, it was still fun to watch.

To me its still just dulling of the experience in favour of so called hype and marketing...which by the way eats a lot resources with 50/50% chance of paying back - all figures are just that - speculations.

In truth you may be right, but just like how I can never know how Pirates might have been I guess we won't know with ME2.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

posted this in another topic but i think it fits well here -

"in the live demo today they were trying to recruit a krogan warlord but
we all already know that the krogan warlord isnt the actual krogan you
get, and that you get grunt. they shouldnt have shown us so much about
grunt, it wouldve been interesting to actually think we were going
after a krogan warlord instead, but its been spoiled so badly that we
know its grunt now



and with archangel/garrus, whyd they
have to show that one early video of garrus taking off his helmet? it
wouldve been a way cooler surprise to think youre just recruiting some
random turian sniper and then find out that its your old homie garrus



i mean if theyre gonna make shepard seem all surprised when he sees garrus, why not allow us to share in on that surprise?"

edit: its not just ME thats guilty of this. people are so dumbed
down today that people in advertising think you hype a movie or game up
by giving away the first two acts in just trailers. i mean in ME we
know that a majority of the game is spent collecting 9 confirmed
characters and the only mystery of the main story is what happens after
you enter the omega relay to the collectors. Avatar also did a poor job
of this, i havent even seen it and i can tell you the plot from the
trailer. humans go to alien planet for valuable resource, need a way to
infiltrate the locals to gain their trust, send in the crippled guy in
an alien body, he falls in love with the alien chick, confused whether
he should pick human or alien side, big aerial fight at the end, good
guys win.

Modifié par IRoNM4yN3 138, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:08 .

[m00nsh1ne]

Going back to the OP, if you hate spoilers it's true you probably shouldn't have watched the videos since primarily they are for getting people who are on the fence about the game come over to the side of buying it or for satisfying the unending lust the hardcore fans for tidbits of game insight. Me personally I actually like to find out some small spoilers before a game comes out. Helps me to prepare for what i'm going to face. As long as there are no major spoilers (which there hasn't been) then I'm fine. Most of the stuff they have given away you'll probably find in the first 30 mins of the game anyways. And Chris, Bioware did a good job in marketing this game don't worry about the people who are afraid of learning/seeing game basics

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

m00nsh1ne wrote...

Going back to the OP, if you hate spoilers it's true you probably shouldn't have watched the videos since primarily they are for getting people who are on the fence about the game come over to the side of buying it or for satisfying the unending lust the hardcore fans for tidbits of game insight. Me personally I actually like to find out some small spoilers before a game comes out. Helps me to prepare for what i'm going to face. As long as there are no major spoilers (which there hasn't been) then I'm fine. Most of the stuff they have given away you'll probably find in the first 30 mins of the game anyways. And Chris, Bioware did a good job in marketing this game don't worry about the people who are afraid of learning/seeing game basics

they gave away a lot more than basics...the whole point of the game is recruiting a squad and theres confirmation on all but one character and theyve been teasing at him the whole time

[hangmans tree]

Theres more...now we know what the collector do to humans 9apart from kidnapping), we are able to deduct certain agendas, motives and other stuff you supposed to be thrilled to uncover yourself...wheres the point?

I know whats buggin Miranda and Thane - I can predict how we can influence these persons and where the relations will take us. SuZe - the same case. With the possibility of sacrefice instead PC - due to love/care/human reaction relation. Patterns.

So what, the interesting spoiler-free content will be revealed for me after the relay 4 jump? Is this a joke of some kind?



I know I'm partially to blame, should know better than watch these media...



Answer me this - what marketing is that when you reveal interesting plot twists to attract customers??? What I learned on media and comercial/marketing education - life span of a product, advertising and all that - someone should be fired for doing this (in a figure of speach of course). But maybe there are different methods in america than in europe in marketing and ad industry - I dont know.

To my mind it should be more mysterious, hitchcock style, beginning with an earthquake, getting a grip on the audience..."what the hell was THAT?!" kind of reaction - not "oh Shepard died, cool, can I change his/hers face afterwards?".

[Hells_eAngel]

If you don't want spoilers, don't join a forum about the game that is about to come out. You're lucky these forums are moderated as well as they are, unlike forums for other games *cough*mw*cough*.



Its your fault, lesson learned, deal with it. No need to rant @ developers, they've already thought about it and seem to know more about marketing then you, looking at the numbers of people who will buy ME2.

[Man785]

Darth Vader is Luke's father

[Ronin Zakath]

hangman's tree is an individual who never orders appetizers.

[hangmans tree]

Ah but there are spoilers and SPOILERS. My point is ... eh, read my previous posts please...

[Ronin Zakath]

That's like being excited for the Chevrolet VOLT, but not wanting to know about any of the features until AFTER you buy it. Like you want everything to be a first-hand experience and surprise.

Then getting mad when you see a commercial for it, when it talks about airbags, mileage and whatnot.

It's advertising, man. You say spoilers, I say teasers. Morsels to whet the appetite of prospective buyers. Do you REALLY think it's all been ruined for you? That there are no more secrets to be revealed?  Most of what has been revealed you find out within maybe the first HOUR of gameplay.  One hour out of forty.  The game is not RUINED.  The game will still send your socks shooting across the room.

Modifié par Ronin Zakath, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:18 .

[hangmans tree]

I hope you are right but some remarks convince me otherwise. And I dont think the spoilers are from 1st hour of the game I think it goes much further.

We know one of outcomes of your choices - death. What we dont know are the circumstances...but there is no surprise anymore in this ending.

[Ronin Zakath]

The real surprise is how the ending is achieved. They told you what CAN happen, not HOW. There are still secrets to be revealed and surprises to be had.



Knowing that your Shep can die for real real adds tension to the entire game. I think more people would have been furious had Bioware NOT told everyone that character death is possible. Can you imagine, millions of people playing the game and then their Shep dying at the end? It would cause a serious ragestorm.

[hangmans tree]

Why? Its the beauty of the story - wondering in meanders and taking you to places you wouldnt imagine? Whats the point in awaiting the obvious?

[Ronin Zakath]

I can't help but shake the feeling that you have a painfully narrow view on the whole thing



What is so obvious about it?

[Shady314]

HEHE Remember when people got SO worked up when we saw Nihlus get killed. People thought that was such a HUGE spoiler. LOL

[hangmans tree]

When you read a book, do you jump to the last chapter to see if every character made it? Do you scan last pages to see what happened to main character?

[Stofsk]

hangmans tree wrote...

I hope you are right but some remarks convince me otherwise. And I dont think the spoilers are from 1st hour of the game I think it goes much further.
We know one of outcomes of your choices - death. What we dont know are the circumstances...but there is no surprise anymore in this ending.

I'm glad they told us that this is going to be a suicide mission, and the object is to survive and complete the mission. Calling it a suicide mission would be misleading if you couldn't die, so to show that they're serious, they tell us "If you're not careful, you can die a permanent death". How this is bad is beyond me. I'd hate to put in 20-30 hrs into a game and then die at the end because I wasn't careful.

[PSUHammer]

This is just too easy....as was already stated, if you are not into spoilers, don't google the game or join it's game forum. LOL!!!