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[NeoRevolution]

I'm all for blaming the OP for watching videos and pre-release content in general when he expects not to get spoiled...

However some of you vehemently defending BWs marketing strategy need to reconsider the degree of your position.

Personally, I can't recall another game where, months before release, you read a small preview article from a gaming website, expecting to hear about general gameplay features. To your shock, instead in said preview, is a BioWare PR/Official EXPLICITY GIVING AWAY THE MAJOR DETAILS ABOUT THE GAME'S ENDING. Sorry, not ENDING, ENDING(S). INCLUDING THE FATE OF THE PROTAGONIST.

I don't care what games you may or may not have played in the past. The fact is, you honestly can't argue that discovering such information is standard fare when researching a game before you purchase. Perhaps you might be spoiled by certain unofficial parties/website's content, but certainly not the game's PR  themselves as a marketing tactic to showcase a story feature.

Despite its crudeness, to totally discredit the OPs arguement simply by saying "lol well u shudn't have watched videoz!" demonstrates an unwillingness to see some unprecedented whoring of the storyline in order to market a dynamic feature of the game.

Modifié par NeoRevolution, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:01 .

[Ronin Zakath]

hangmans tree wrote...

When you read a book, do you jump to the last chapter to see if every character made it? Do you scan last pages to see what happened to main character?

No, because books are a passive adventure.  The fate of the characters is not determined by how I read the book.

Knowing that Shep and Friends aren't invincible adds a certain dynamic to this game that is unheard of in other games.  It makes them more realistic as characters.

[ODST5723]

Ronin Zakath wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

When you read a book, do you jump to the last chapter to see if every character made it? Do you scan last pages to see what happened to main character?

No, because books are a passive adventure.  The fate of the characters is not determined by how I read the book.

Knowing that Shep and Friends aren't invincible adds a certain dynamic to this game that is unheard of in other games.  It makes them more realistic as characters.

What about the Choose Your Own Adventure books published by Bantam?

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

NeoRevolution wrote...

I'm all for blaming the OP for watching videos and pre-release content in general when he expects not to get spoiled...

However some of you vehemently defending BWs marketing strategy need to reconsider the degree of your position.

Personally, I can't recall another game where, months before release, you read a small preview article from a gaming website, expecting to hear about general gameplay features. To your shock, instead in said preview, is a BioWare PR/Official EXPLICITY GIVING AWAY THE MAJOR DETAILS ABOUT THE GAME'S ENDING. Sorry, not ENDING, ENDING(S). INCLUDING THE FATE OF THE PROTAGONIST.

I don't care what games you may or may not have played in the past. The fact is, you honestly can't argue that discovering such information is standard fare when researching a game before you purchase. Perhaps you might be spoiled by certain unofficial parties/website's content, but certainly not the game's PR  themselves as a marketing tactic to showcase a story feature.

Despite its crudeness, to totally discredit the OPs arguement simply by saying "lol well u shudn't have watched videoz!" demonstrates an unwillingness to see some unprecedented whoring of the storyline in order to market a dynamic feature of the game.

this...i watch the videos because i want to see gameplay and snippets of exciting cinematic moments. not things like thane saying "im dying" or all the preview articles saying in like the first paragraph that shepards dead and brought back to life. who the **** DOESNT look up trailers and videos for a game before they come out? none of the videos were labled "MAJOR SPOILERS" so i assumed itd be safe to watch them without learning too much. the point is that they were just willing to give away far too much information that they should've just kept under tighter wraps

[PinkMonkey35]

Stanley Woo wrote...

First of all, no swearing in the forums, please.

Secondly, all of our marketing could be considered to have spoilers in it. We cannot custom-tailor our marketing to satisfy each individual's spoiler tolerances. Some folks don't want story spoilers, some don't want character spoilers, some don't want gameplay spoilers, some don't want ANY information, and some don't know what they don't want until it happens.

If you know of some way we can hype the game and attract a huge audience like we've done with ME2, and still satisfy everyone's spoiler tolerance, you've got a million-dollar idea there.

owned

[Jarrett Lee]

In a few days you'll realize how little we really spoiled for you.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Do you guys pay any attention to trailers and TEASERS. I would be willing to bet that some of the stuff you are harping on, i.e. Thane saying he's dying, are taken out of the game context and mean something totally different that what you are assuming it means. Media has been doing that to hype TV shows, Movies, Games, you name it for decades. Personally I'm all for being spoiled, however, I respect that others aren't, like my husband who has yet to play Mass Effect and doesn't want to know anything about it, I don't tell him because I respect his desire to play the game without knowing what is going on in advance. He is also avoiding most of the trailers for Mass Effect 2 for the same reason, even though I'll have it Tuesday and have played it through a couple times by the end of the month, he won't want to know what is going on in the game.



I guess my point here is, don't assume that BioWare is giving away key plot lines, when all they are is wetting your appetite by telling you something that you are going to automatically assume is a big deal when it might be nothing more than a snipit of a conversation happening somewhere and have absolutely nothing to do with the storyline.



Now as for knowing that the protaganist can die at the end of the game, I am all for them, I would be seriously upset if I got through ME 2 and died. I put a lot of myself into my RPG characters, and knowing that I need to be even more careful than usual with my decisions, well that is a warning I'll take anyday.

[Jarrett Lee]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...


Now as for knowing that the protaganist can die at the end of the game, I am all for them, I would be seriously upset if I got through ME 2 and died. I put a lot of myself into my RPG characters, and knowing that I need to be even more careful than usual with my decisions, well that is a warning I'll take anyday.

That actually was part of the decision to reveal this possible ending (which, by the way, is one of the more unlikely ones). There was some concern that a portion of players would be quite upset by not realizing it could happen to their character. It's a fine line to walk. But thing is, a major point of the marketing campaign - and really the game itself - is the danger of this mission to both Shepard and his allies. As Casey put it (I'm paraphrasing) - it wouldn't really be a suicide mission if you couldn't die during it.

But again - opinions will vary. I do think if you are already sold on the game and really sensitive to spoilers, it is wise to avoid the trailers and videos    

[hangmans tree]

Ok, I will take your words for granted, I was really hoping that is the case - with the revealing "key" information to be just mistification and teasers of some kind.



About protagonist's death - imo this should be explained INGAME, by the plot devices, hints and whatnot - to emphasize that PC can die. Otherwise it would go as "poor writing" - death comes as a surprise and you wonder what the heck went wrong...



But again thanks for the replies and assuring me that these are but minor spoilers and mixed out-of-context teasers.

If not - you should be on the lookout for a tall man with long dark hair and a slight gleam of madness in his gaze...showing up on your doorstep

[GnusmasTHX]

OP is a little slow when he decided to watch videos of an entirely SP story-driven game without expecting spoilers.

[hangmans tree]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

OP is a little slow when he decided to watch videos of an entirely SP story-driven game without expecting spoilers.

And you are quite rude considering your ass-umptions.

[LurchALC]

Jarrett Lee wrote...


But again - opinions will vary. I do think if you are already sold on the game and really sensitive to spoilers, it is wise to avoid the trailers and videos    

Get 'em Jarrett! Get 'em!

Seriously, you're acting like the parents of children exposed to graphic violence and etc.

You have control over what you see, BioWare can't be held responsible for your lack of self control.

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

Especially after playing Dragon Age, I have a feeling that Bioware is quite confident that there are enough genuine surprises left (and honestly, read IGN's review - they go through great pains to detail how careful Bioware is being to not allow much plot info to be given) that the ones that have been revealed will be shown to be more than justified. They cannot market this game for the wide audience they aspire to without giving out enough info to give some idea of what is there (think "movie trailer"). If you think you already know too much, I think you could have avoided it, but will realize it was small beans compared to what you DON'T know anyway, once you play the game.

Modifié par Godzilla vs Xenu, 23 janvier 2010 - 10:30 .