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[Grieving Natashina]

You're right, and thank you!! I almost let it continue to get to me.

Friends don't let friends get in too deep in debates with TKS

Exactly.  C'mon hun, I've got room in the Safety Circle.  Let's just leave TKS with his theories and assumptions.

[The Elder King]

I haven't followed the convo. What TKS stated, exactly? That Whnne is as bad as Anders?

[Grieving Natashina]

I haven't followed the convo. What TKS stated, exactly? That Whnne is as bad as Anders?

Yep.  Wynne apparently is just as bad as Anders...even though the book strongly hinted that it was her staff to blame for her emotional outburst/black energy output.

[The Elder King]

Exactly.  C'mon hun, I've got room in the Safety Circle.  Let's just leave TKS with his theories and assumptions.

It's the Safety Circle an actual group?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sweetie, this is TKS you're talking to.  You should know better than to ask that by now.  

 

Well there is no wonder when peoples try put insane troll logic onto me first someone will try put something that doesn't have sense onto my mouth...

[Grieving Natashina]

It's the Safety Circle an actual group?

No, just an inside joke.  

 

TKS, we didn't have to put anything into your mouth.  Your posts did that for you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I haven't followed the convo. What TKS stated, exactly? That Whnne is as bad as Anders?

 

i was talking about being danerous as well as anders if not more but they shaped this into morality that i said anders is morally beter than wynne ok...

[TK514]

Okay, but who did she hurt/kill? How does this add up to what my husband Anders did?

Woah woah woah. Back this cart up a bit. Does Lulu know you're claiming her one true love as husband?

[The Elder King]

i was talking about being danerous as well as anders if not more but they shaped this into morality that i said anders is morally beter than wynne ok...

Why do you think that she's a dangerous as Anders? Because she has a spirit inside her?
I am on the opinion that spirit possession is very dangerous. I would be wary of such a person.
That said, while Wynne's status might mean she's more dangerous than normal mages, she's not as dangerous as Anders. Her control over her emotion is vastly better than Anders, and the only time she snapped she was influenced by a cursed staff.

[Grieving Natashina]

Plus, it helps we didn't see Faith get corrupted.  Faith might have been, but it's unlikely.  According to David Gaider, if a spirit of Faith becomes corrupted, it turns into a spirit/demon of Pride.

 

Here's the WoG.

 

The corruption of Faith is Pride. Whether Wynne's spirit was ever corrupted is up to speculation, I suppose.

I'd seen no dangerous amount of pride from Wynne to conclude that she was corrupted.

[Divine Justinia V]

Woah woah woah. Back this cart up a bit. Does Lulu know you're claiming her one true love as husband?

 

Listen, I was born and raised on a Portuguese rebellion island and lived south side when I came to America, I am not afraid to throw some hands.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why do you think that she's a dangerous as Anders? Because she has a spirit inside her?
I am on the opinion that spirit possession is very dangerous. I would be wary of such a person.
That said, while Wynne's status might mean she's more dangerous than normal mages, she's not as dangerous as Anders. Her control over her emotion is vastly better than Anders, and the only time she snapped she was influenced by a cursed staff.

 

She showed that she can't not always control spirit and she could be even more dangerous than anders because faith is second strongest spirit first is hope and corrupted faith is pride demon.What pretty much makes her as dangerous as anders if not more and i think that she at least partly is controled by spirit for example when she said that she isn't very religious but belives she attacks you for destroying ashes and spirit is faith coincidence?

 

 

Plus, it helps we didn't see Faith get corrupted.  Faith might have been, but it's unlikely.  According to David Gaider, if a spirit of Faith becomes corrupted, it turns into a spirit/demon of Pride.

 

Here's the WoG.

 

I'd seen no dangerous amount of pride from Wynne to conclude that she was corrupted.

 

Well that it is speculation doesn't mean that your theory or mine is wrong your theory may be right or my can be... so answer for now is maybe and i don't deal friendly with unstable unknown same with mages.

 

Well if you skip every her preach about her superiority and her self-righteous attitude sure.

[TK514]

Listen, I was born and raised on a Portuguese rebellion island and lived south side when I came to America, I am not afraid to throw some hands.

Noted. I consider myself duly warned to stand away when the throw down happens. Maybe with a camera. And some ticket sales.

[Grieving Natashina]

She doesn't have to be extremely religious to find the desecration of a holy artifact appalling.  I know that I'm not religious, but I understand why she would have been so angry.   She also never had the desires for mage freedoms that Anders had, which I think is a huge point of difference between the two of them.  

 

Finally, she's dead.  Let's leave her in peace and talk about the character that might be dead?

[The Elder King]

She showed that she can't not always control spirit and she could be even more dangerous than anders because faith is second strongest spirit first is hope and corrupted faith is pride demon.What pretty much makes her as dangerous as anders if not more and i think that she at least partly is controled by spirit for example when she said that she isn't very religious but belives she attacks you for destroying ashes and spirit is faith coincidence?

From want I recall, she was enough religious to believe in the Maker and Andraste, and to be enraged that desecrating the Ashes of Andraste.

[TheKomandorShepard]

She doesn't have to be extremely religious to find the desecration of a holy artifact appalling.  I know that I'm not religious, but I understand why she would have been so angry.   She also never had the desires for mage freedoms that Anders had, which I think is a huge point of difference between the two of them.  

 

Finally, she's dead.  Let's leave her in peace and talk about the character that might be dead?

 

As she said she doesn't let her faith rule her life i don't see any reason to her being angry when she pretty much isn't show any sign being religious person instead she was shown just beliver.I can see leliana reacting that way but not wynne even alistair that was more religious than her responded more calm than her. So what desire for mage own freedom doesn't make you dangerous at least in anders matter spirit was that who made them dangerous as i said compare anders in daa to da 2 sure anders stupidity lead to another anders but still...

 

 

From want I recall, she was enough religious to believe in the Maker and Andraste, and to be enraged that desecrating the Ashes of Andraste.

 She belived but as i said not even close to leliana and judging by conversation beetwen leliana and wynne when wynne was beliving wasn't very devout person.

[Grieving Natashina]

...Do you have an aversion to punctuation and spacing?  I weep for your poor English teachers.

 

If you don't understand why someone not very religious can find the desecration of a holy relic disgusting, then I can't explain it to you.  Look, if someone tried to destroy the Wailing Wall (as an example,) I'd have an issue with that.   I'm agnostic, before you ask.

 

Intent plus actions makes all the difference in the world.   Wynne was much less dangerous overall than Anders because she didn't want to start a war.  She actually wanted to keep the old system in place. I'm not debating that a spirit possessed mage isn't dangerous, but I'm thinking on terms of scale.  Her actions in both Origins and Asunder (with the exception due to a cursed staff) are a testament to her control.  

 

 

Anders had always talked about going after Templars, even in Awakening. ("Fine, I want a feast, a harem and the right to shoot fireballs at any Templar I see.")  Different motivations from the start.  Plus, as you have again chosen to ignore, most of the circumstances surrounding Wynne's "freak out" are strongly linked to that red staff on her back.  From what I've read, it wouldn't have mattered if she was spirit possessed or not: That staff was major bad news and I'm glad that it was someone as strong willed as Wynne that had it.  It would have been much worse in the hands of a poorly trained mage. 

 

Okay, now that this horse has been beaten to death, may we go back to discussing Anders?

[Mister Chompski]

Listen, I was born and raised on a Portuguese rebellion island and lived south side when I came to America, I am not afraid to throw some hands.

 

Islanders are always so aggressive

 

Is it BioWare canon that Anders is dead?

[Divine Justinia V]

Islanders are always so aggressive

 

Is it BioWare canon that Anders is dead?

 

Well we can't all be mellow and living rich like the mainlanders, sugarplum.

I've no idea but I'm a mixture of too lazy and too unwilling to get angry by the previous pages to look.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well we can't all be mellow and living rich like the mainlanders, sugarplum.

I've no idea but I'm a mixture of too lazy and too unwilling to get angry by the previous pages to look.

The only thing that BioWare has said for certain is that an Anders killed by Hawke stays dead, and they might use Justice and/or Anders again in the future.  Nothing in BioWare's cannon has stated if Anders is alive or dead.

[Divine Justinia V]

The only thing that BioWare has said for certain is that an Anders killed by Hawke stays dead, and they might use Justice and/or Anders again in the future.  Nothing in BioWare's cannon has stated if Anders is alive or dead.

 

Thank you!

I hope to see Justice in DA:I, in a Templar though. The contrast would be amazing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

...Do you have an aversion to punctuation and spacing?  I weep for your poor English teachers.

 

If you don't understand why someone not very religious can find the desecration of a holy relic disgusting, then I can't explain it to you.  Look, if someone tried to destroy the Wailing Wall (as an example,) I'd have an issue with that.   I'm agnostic, before you ask.

 

Intent plus actions makes all the difference in the world.   Wynne was much less dangerous overall than Anders because she didn't want to start a war.  She actually wanted to keep the old system in place. I'm not debating that a spirit possessed mage isn't dangerous, but I'm thinking on terms of scale.  Her actions in both Origins and Asunder (with the exception due to a cursed staff) are a testament to her control.  

 

 

Anders had always talked about going after Templars, even in Awakening. ("Fine, I want a feast, a harem and the right to shoot fireballs at any Templar I see.)  Different motivations from the start.  Plus, as you have again chosen to ignore, most of the circumstances surrounding Wynne's "freak out" are strongly linked to that red staff on her back.  From what I've read, it wouldn't have mattered if she was spirit possessed or not: That staff was major bad news and I'm glad that it was someone as strong willed as Wynne that had it.  It would have been much worse in the hands of a poorly trained mage. 

 

Okay, now that this horse has been beaten to death, may we go back to discussing Anders?

 

I don't see point being angry and furious to point when you kill someone are different things alistair belive but still he didn't had rage like leliana and wynne if you attack and want kill someone because person destroyed religious artifact you are pretty much fanatic as i said i can see leliana but not wynne.

 

Not rly as i said goal hardly matters if anders was pro-templars he would go same just on pro-templars route or just same with any other goal. Faith can be dangerous as well for qunari who belives in qun as for any other person for example wynne both will be dangerous but both will have different goals.

 

So what if wynne went against mages or someone else that would make her somehow better than anders against templars no not rly as he proved in asunder she can be dangerous for everyone regardless her goal... 

 

Yeah it is best to throw blame on templars or inanimate objects not mage

[AresKeith]

Thank you!

I hope to see Justice in DA:I, in a Templar though. The contrast would be amazing.

 

I don't think Spirits need a host body with the Veil Tear 

[Divine Justinia V]

I don't think Spirits need a host body with the Veil Tear 

 

Yeah but that doesn't mean they wouldn't want one. How often do you see a Spirit strolling down the street? Not very often, my friend. They'd probably want to blend in.

[LobselVith8]

I don't think Spirits need a host body with the Veil Tear

I agree. It seems they are pouring out of the veil tears. Like the Nightmare.

If Anders is in Inquisition, I suppose we may find out if Justice was able to cure him of the taint (for those among us who spared him), and how the veil tears may affect him.