Sorry, in my view Anders deserves just as much blame. He knew how Meredith would react and played her into doing exactly what she did.
Speculation. He is not a prophet. He declares war on Templar order yet Meredith ignores him while his eyes are glowing and his skin shattered and his voice has changed. Blame bioware if you must but Anders didn't know what would happen. Are you telling me Meredtih ignored an abomination right in front of her eyes?
Why he shouldn't do that again when he did it once already?You killed him so you won't have to care about it unless justice will do it.
Well I don't think he should do it at all.
So I was responding as to why YOU would want that to happen.
But you're right, I won't have to care about him blowing up anything again.
Speculation. He is not a prophet. He declares war on Templar order yet Meredith ignores him while his eyes are glowing and his skin shattered and his voice has changed. Blame bioware if you must but Anders didn't know what would happen. Are you telling me Meredtih ignored an abomination right in front of her eyes?
You don't have to be a prophet to know how people will react. There are many careers that rely on that exact skill, such as tacticians.
You don't have to be a prophet to know how people will react. There are many careers that rely on that exact skill, such as tacticians.
That is irrelevant. There are no such carriers in Thedas. So you're saying Anders knew Meredith and rest of Templars who were with her there ignored an abomination declaring war and went for innocent mages? Funny.
Well I don't think he should do it at all.
So I was responding as to why YOU would want that to happen.
But you're right, I won't have to care about him blowing up anything again.
Simple both chantry and mages are my enemies chantry is too self-righteous and is preventing progress if anders will blow up at least 1 chantry he will weaken it even if slightly second great thing in that anders actions will allow me make folks even more hostile toward mages so i will take benefit in that.
That is irrelevant. There are no such carriers in Thedas. So you're saying Anders knew Meredith and rest of Templars who were with her there ignored an abomination declaring war and went for innocent mages? Funny.
Loghain was a tactician, so yes there is. Wherever war exists, there are people who plan it out.
And yes, I think he knew the ever more paranoid Meredith who already wanted to enact the RoA on Kirkwall's Circle would take the opportunity of the Chantry being destroyed by a mage, and thus eliminate anyone she has to go through to do that, and start her desire to annul the Circle.
That is irrelevant. There are no such carriers in Thedas. So you're saying Anders knew Meredith and rest of Templars who were with her there ignored an abomination declaring war and went for innocent mages? Funny.
Well, Meredith had wanted this for a long time (I think). To me, she almost seemed relieved Anders blew up the Chantry, just to give her an excuse. So she immediately went to carry out her order.
Plus, it's a great decision that BioWare gave us: to let Anders live or kill him. Meredith stabbing him would have been far less engaging to me.
Simple both chantry and mages are my enemies chantry is too self-righteous and is preventing progress if anders will blow up at least 1 chantry he will weaken it even if slightly second great thing in that anders actions will allow me make folks even more hostile toward mages so i will take benefit in that.
Ah, that's what I thought. I think otherwise but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Speculation. He is not a prophet. He declares war on Templar order yet Meredith ignores him while his eyes are glowing and his skin shattered and his voice has changed. Blame bioware if you must but Anders didn't know what would happen. Are you telling me Meredtih ignored an abomination right in front of her eyes?
Yes he did know, he wanted war to happen and knew how someone like Meredith would react especially with her cracking under pressure
Vicious cycle. Meredith (pre-idol) is overly rigid, some mages turn to blood magic, causing Meredith to become more oppressive, causing more mages to turn to blood magic, causing Meredith to further tighten her grip, etc, etc... There also appears to be two external forces at work piling more and more kindling onto Kirkwall: the Idol, and the infiltration of blood mages Leliana talks about. Anders is the spark that sets it all ablaze. His fate (and too damn many others') was sealed when he accepted that "benevolent spirit" into him.
The only acceptable Anders cameo in any of my future play-through(s) better have him writhing in agony in whatever hell he was taken to...cause he is most definitely dead in my games.
The only acceptable Anders cameo in any of my future play-through(s) better have him writhing in agony in whatever hell he was taken to...cause he is most definitely dead in my games.
Anders completely controlled by Vengeance if kept alive 
Well, Meredith had wanted this for a long time (I think). To me, she almost seemed relieved Anders blew up the Chantry, just to give her an excuse. So she immediately went to carry out her order.
Plus, it's a great decision that BioWare gave us: to let Anders live or kill him. Meredith stabbing him would have been far less engaging to me.
Ah, that's what I thought. I think otherwise but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.
It would have been more dramatic actually. The decision to stop Meredith or let him kill Anders.
Vicious cycle. Meredith (pre-idol) is overly rigid, some mages turn to blood magic, causing Meredith to become more oppressive, causing more mages to turn to blood magic, causing Meredith to further tighten her grip, etc, etc... There also appears to be two external forces at work piling more and more kindling onto Kirkwall: the Idol, and the infiltration of blood mages Leliana talks about. Anders is the spark that sets it all ablaze. His fate (and too damn many others') was sealed when he accepted that "benevolent spirit" into him.
The only acceptable Anders cameo in any of my future play-through(s) better have him writhing in agony in whatever hell he was taken to...cause he is most definitely dead in my games.
It would be absolutely redundant if they make Anders cameo only to kill him. Waste of resource, time etc... Its likely he will not die if you spared him unless he is a boss battle lol which is another matter.
Anders completely controlled by Vengeance if kept alive
There are many unknowns such as why Anders doesn't glow at all after you decide to spare him and he is more Anders than Justice especially in last dialogue before fighting Meredith or why Justice never interferes in that scene where Hawke kills Anders. Also its safe to assume as soon as Anders is dead Justice will be free of corruption as Vengeance is bound to Anders' anger. In the fade its the Awakening Justice, focused on nothing more but the act of Justice, saving Feynriel. Not a force of vengeance
^It was a joke. I don't want to see any resurrected Anders in my game. He's dead.
^It was a joke. I don't want to see any resurrected Anders in my game. He's dead.
I was half serious with mines, since it wouldn't be a resurrected just a fully embraced abomination
Make a good option boss battle
Maybe not a boss battle, but I like that idea. Cut down an Anders-abomination? Yep, sign me up.
Maybe not a boss battle, but I like that idea. Cut down an Anders-abomination? Yep, sign me up.
Your facial expression when you realize your forcefully lose a companion in that battle.
Gnnnh, I really don't know how I want them to handle Anders in future games. If he's dead he should stay dead imo - at least the Anders-part, maybe they could do something with justice and turn the demon into some kind of returning enemy throughout the series or just for one last fight in Connection to the veil tears and the mage/templar-war.
If he lives however... well, it really depends on his condition and if he's become more of an abomination or not, if he regrets what he's done, etc... but tbh honest I'd probably kill him with 90% of my Inquisitors as soon as they find out who he is, no matter what. I wish for him to be killable if he returns but there should also be some content for those people who like him as a character or even support what he's done. I may not understand them but they definitely shouldn't be left out or forced to kill him (unless the writers want him to really go nuts abomination-style, but that's up to them I guess).
Your facial expression when you realize your forcefully lose a companion in that battle.
and why's that?
and why's that?
No specific reason, intended as pun.
Someone you hate taking someone you like with them when they die.
Sorry, in my view Anders deserves just as much blame. He knew how Meredith would react and played her into doing exactly what she did.
Of course he did. He had made it clear on more than one occasion that he had informants in the Circle. Even Hawke had to be living under a rock to miss which way the wind was blowing. Anders also had to know that the Grand Cleric was the one putting the brakes on any Annulment plans, but the real kicker is that Bethany is one of those innocents he was willing to sacrifice for his cause (along with the rest of the Circle). If I had my way, he wouldn't have died so quick. I'd have had a very public execution where it was made clear just who he was and just how expendable he thought people's children were (yes, it's stretching it, but you can't claim there were no children in the Chantry, and it makes very good propaganda). He'd then be burned alive at the stake. No Sword of Mercy for him.
Of course he did. He had made it clear on more than one occasion that he had informants in the Circle. Even Hawke had to be living under a rock to miss which way the wind was blowing. Anders also had to know that the Grand Cleric was the one putting the brakes on any Annulment plans, but the real kicker is that Bethany is one of those innocents he was willing to sacrifice for his cause (along with the rest of the Circle). If I had my way, he wouldn't have died so quick. I'd have had a very public execution where it was made clear just who he was and just how expendable he thought people's children were (yes, it's stretching it, but you can't claim there were no children in the Chantry, and it makes very good propaganda). He'd then be burned alive at the stake. No Sword of Mercy for him.
Ah the age old punishment for witchcraft.
Fitting for that Apostate, no doubt.
Killed Anders
Don't care
Of course he did. He had made it clear on more than one occasion that he had informants in the Circle. Even Hawke had to be living under a rock to miss which way the wind was blowing. Anders also had to know that the Grand Cleric was the one putting the brakes on any Annulment plans, but the real kicker is that Bethany is one of those innocents he was willing to sacrifice for his cause (along with the rest of the Circle). If I had my way, he wouldn't have died so quick. I'd have had a very public execution where it was made clear just who he was and just how expendable he thought people's children were (yes, it's stretching it, but you can't claim there were no children in the Chantry, and it makes very good propaganda). He'd then be burned alive at the stake. No Sword of Mercy for him.
Not that Bethany shows any sort of reluctance in killing Templars. She pretty much agrees with Anders' views but she doesn't want to employ violence. She is nice like that. (refer to party banter between the two). She wants to be free and not be bound for an accident of birth.
No one is claiming anything but there is no proof whatsoever that there were children inside. The exact game scene shows around 10 people, Elthina and a couple of priests and templars. You can claim there were more but cannot claim they were children.
Anders is product of chantry. His own parents hated him because of chantry propaganda and he was in solitude of circle prison for many years, lost people he cared about etc.... All events of Anders' life which stem from chantry affected his whole personality. Their own hate and oppression exploded in their own face, literally in form of Anders. Maybe that particular chantry didn't deserve it, the chantry in general deserved it and then some.
Not that Bethany shows any sort of reluctance in killing Templars. She pretty much agrees with Anders' views but she doesn't want to employ violence. She is nice like that. (refer to party banter between the two). She wants to be free and not be bound for an accident of birth.
Circle mage Bethany talks about how she originally thought the Maker wanted mages locked up in the Circle Towers, and how she realizes mages should be free, in the pro-mage scene at the Gallows.
No one is claiming anything but there is no proof whatsoever that there were children inside. The exact game scene shows around 10 people, Elthina and a couple of priests and templars. You can claim there were more but cannot claim they were children.
I believe there was debate about whether anyone besides the clergy and the templars would be present during the explosion, since the Kirkwall Chantry was apparently closed to the public at night, given how Hawke fights templars and Petrice's zealots there during Acts I and II.
Anders is product of chantry. His own parents hated him because of chantry propaganda and he was in solitude of circle prison for many years, lost people he cared about etc.... All events of Anders' life which stem from chantry affected his whole personality. Their own hate and oppression exploded in their own face, literally in form of Anders. Maybe that particular chantry didn't deserve it, the chantry in general deserved it and then some.
Anders is religiously Andrastian, despite his disagreement about the Chantry controlled Circles, which is where most of his frustration comes from, especially when he was taken away. He confides in Hawke about growing up in the Circle Tower, his relationship with Karl, and about the suicides that took place who were despondent about life in the Circle.
Circle mage Bethany talks about how she originally thought the Maker wanted mages locked up in the Circle Towers, and how she realizes mages should be free, in the pro-mage scene at the Gallows.
And she espouses a very different stance in Pro Templar Playthroughs acknowledging that the Templars have their reasons, in this i'd infer with her agreeing that the circle for the most part is the best situation,.This is expanded upon especially true of a Gray Warden Bethany whom is initially shocked by the Champions choice to support the Templars but relents given the current crisis.
Bethany isn't a voice of Mage freedom.
She's a product of PC decisions.
And she espouses a very different stance in Pro Templar Playthroughs acknowledging that the Templars have their reasons, in this i'd infer with her agreeing that the circle for the most part is the best situation,.This is expanded upon especially true of a Gray Warden Bethany whom is initially shocked by the Champions choice to support the Templars but relents given the current crisis.
Bethany isn't a voice of Mage freedom.
She's a product of PC decisions.
Except that is the scenario with Bethany that was being addressed, where the Champion sided with the Circle.
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