What are you supposed to be anyway? I vaguely recall you claiming to be 'compromise', does that hold true? I am always so very confused whenever I see you post in any thread that pertains to mages and templars.
Just because I view a middle ground/compromise path doesn't mean I can't join the discussion
Agreed. Why can't we weigh in our perspectives?
Just because I view a middle ground/compromise path doesn't mean I can't join the discussion
A lot of your posts that I've seen have led me to believe otherwise.
Thanks for clarifying your position.
Anders lived and was my lover. But since DAI isn't about Hawke, I'm assuming Anders will have a cameo. Too bad, I liked his chararter.
It was the same in the ME series.
Would it depend on what Anders was doing in this hypothetical cameo? Maybe he's healing the sick and infirm, like he was in his clinic at Kirkwall. Or going to see the seers in Rivain. I'd react to Anders based on the situation, much in the same way my apostate Hawke helped Renvil Harrowmont, even though my Surana Warden wouldn't have risked his political alliance with King Bhelen to do any such thing. A Dwarven, Vashoth, or Dalish Inquisitor may not even be familiar with who Anders is, or what he did. I suppose a Human Inquisitor would be more likely to have heard about Anders.
By the way, what happens if you manage to convince Anders to fight for the templars in The Last Straw? As in what would happen in DA:I?
By the way, what happens if you manage to convince Anders to fight for the templars in The Last Straw? As in what would happen in DA:I?
He commits suicide.
He commits suicide.
Hints that he might commit suicide. We don't actually know if he does.
Hints that he might commit suicide. We don't actually know if he does.
It's strongly hinted that Anders committed suicide, including the fact that he's not mentioned by Varric (in the ending with a romanced Hawke). I can understand why participating in the Right of Annulment would compel Anders to take his life.
It's strongly hinted that Anders committed suicide, including the fact that he's not mentioned by Varric (in the ending with a romanced Hawke). I can understand why participating in the Right of Annulment would compel Anders to take his life.
That is because forcing Anders to fight mages breaks romance immediately hence Varric doesn't say it. It doesn't relate to suicide.
That is because forcing Anders to fight mages breaks romance immediately hence Varric doesn't say it. It doesn't relate to suicide.
I took Anders' dialogue to suggest otherwise, including his comment, "I cannot live past this."
I hope he stays dead. I didn't like his romance since it always seemed to me that he didn't really love hawke but was using the relationship to his advantage to avoid getting arrested or using it as emotional blackmail to pressure hawke to carry out his plans.
Yeah, the whole "You never loved me" lines when you just question him on what he is doing definitely irked me.
I hope he stays dead. I didn't like his romance since it always seemed to me that he didn't really love hawke but was using the relationship to his advantage to avoid getting arrested or using it as emotional blackmail to pressure hawke to carry out his plans.
Do not like that as well. Would rather him be straight up instead of trying to overtly manipulate the PC.
Reminds me of when Meredith pretends that she didn't threaten Bethany if you oppose her as a mundane Hawke.
Yeah, the whole "You never loved me" lines when you just question him on what he is doing definitely irked me.
I heard about that, I was like "the hell?"
Anders tells you he is merged with a spirit and potentially dangerous.
He confesses he will do anything to bring Justice to every child stripped from their mother's arm to be sent to circle
etc...
You knew what you were getting involved with. If you did not support Anders and his motives why the hell you romanced him? You can have sex and just sex you know. If you liked the looks you could have done that.
I mean Anders says this: "Should I tell you the truth? There is noone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to see mages free." You should realize who you are romancing before throwing accusations.
To be fair, he tries to do the same thing if you befriend him and support his cause.
I am not against Anders, just to be clear.
To be fair, he tries to do the same thing if you befriend him and support his cause.
I am not against Anders, just to be clear.
With full friendship bonus a star dialogue appears and when you choose that Anders tells you he is planning to do something that doesn't want to involve Hawke with it and asks Hawke to trust him as it will not be traced back to Hawke in anyway.
Anders tells you he is merged with a spirit and potentially dangerous.
He confesses he will do anything to bring Justice to every child stripped from their mother's arm to be sent to circle
etc...
You knew what you were getting involved with. If you did not support Anders and his motives why the hell you romanced him? You can have sex and just sex you know. If you liked the looks you could have done that.
I mean Anders says this: "Should I tell you the truth? There is noone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to see mages free." You should realize who you are romancing before throwing accusations.
It's certainly a messy situation, whether or not the protagonist is in a relationship with Anders. It's likely the the letters from Karl about the horrors of the Circle of Kirkwall lead to Anders merging with Justice and heading to Kirkwall, and I think losing Karl to tranquility motivated Anders to putting an end to the Chantry controlled Circles - no matter the cost, even if it cost him his life. It's after Karl's death that Anders becomes involved in the mage underground, and ultimately leads to his destruction of the Kirkwall Chantry.
Anders irrevocably changed when Karl died. Whether or not he was bonded with Justice, I don't think seeing the person you love bereft of their emotions and humanity, and being forced to kill that person because that person has literally begged you to end their life, would leave anyone unscathed.
Don't think I ever caught that one. Will have to try with another playthrough.
It's certainly a messy situation, whether or not the protagonist is in a relationship with Anders. It's likely the the letters from Karl about the horrors of the Circle of Kirkwall lead to Anders merging with Justice and heading to Kirkwall, and I think losing Karl to tranquility motivated Anders to putting an end to the Chantry controlled Circles - no matter the cost, even if it cost him his life. It's after Karl's death that Anders becomes involved in the mage underground, and ultimately leads to his destruction of the Kirkwall Chantry.( )92Fp>
Anders irrevocably changed when Karl died. Whether or not he was bonded with Justice, I don't think seeing the person you love bereft of their emotions and humanity, and being forced to kill that person because that person has literally begged you to end their life, would leave anyone unscathed.
Don't think I ever caught that one. Will have to try with another playthrough.
As long as Anders stays in the ground, where I put him, in my playthrough after the incident y'all can have whatever you want.
As long as Anders stays in the ground, where I put him, in my playthrough after the incident y'all can have whatever you want.
Don't worry. A dead Anders is as dead as dead can be in DA franchise. He is not another Leiliana or better to say Leliara?
Well he begs to die on rivalry path only. In friendship he is like "I did what I did and I am one with Justice and I stand by my decision. If I must pay for it with my life then I pay, at least Justice will be free." He doesn't beg to die but he is ready to die. Also if you spare him he kinda "changes back", judging from his conversation before last confrontation with Meredith.
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Anders walking on the path of mage freedom because of Karl's letters, and the tranquility that was imposed on Karl. It seems like it's Karl's death that leads to Anders becoming involved with the mage underground, since he turns to a relative stranger when he plans on helping Karl escape his templar captors.
Regarding what you said, I think Hawke's friendship allows him to come to terms with his symbiosis with Justice, while being a rival to Anders causes the two personalities to come into conflict.
In romance, Anders admits his surprise to Hawke that he wasn't killed. "I should have trusted you. Even with all we've shared, I never thought you'd spare my life." He also seems to realize how difficult the progression for mages will be: "Kirkwall can't change along, love. Even if we win here, it will take years of open warefare throughout Thedas before mages can be safe." He proclaims: "We can build a world where no one dies for being how the Maker created them. Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no templars to tear them apart."
In friendship, Anders does express surprise as well: "I underestimated you, Hawke. I really thought when it was put to the test, you'd have to kill me. You truly are the leader we've been waiting centuries for." He also shows his Andrastian faith: "May the Maker bring us victory. Maybe if He shows His approval, the world will finally be ready to change."
Don't worry. A dead Anders is as dead as dead can be in DA franchise. He is not another Leiliana or better to say Leliara?
What?
He's claiming that Anders' death will not be retconned, unlike an Origins' Bard that we know.
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