He's claiming that Anders' death will not be retconned, unlike an Origins' Bard that we know.
No, I got that part. I was more curious about the "Or better to say Leliara" part. I mean, I can see he mixed Leliana's and Liara's names together, but I don't get why.
No, I got that part. I was more curious about the "Or better to say Leliara" part. I mean, I can see he mixed Leliana's and Liara's names together, but I don't get why.
Well i guess because some think that both were creators pet when i don't have opinion on that matter but both have some similarities
All I want is for him to stay dead or at least to be able to kill him again in a more satisfying way as soon as I see him.
Bioware has robbed me of my dear friend Justice in DA 2, give him back! He was one of the few companions who had views so close to mine. Who I didn't have to give gifts or forcefully agree with him to raise approval.
Bring Justice back Bioware, even if it means I will have to see him in Anders' body.
I didn't romance him, so I'm basing my point of what all you guys are saying. Anders made pretty clear his goals and ambitions. That doesn't mean that just because you question him, he should accuse you of never trusting/loving you.Anders tells you he is merged with a spirit and potentially dangerous.
He confesses he will do anything to bring Justice to every child stripped from their mother's arm to be sent to circle
etc...
You knew what you were getting involved with. If you did not support Anders and his motives why the hell you romanced him? You can have sex and just sex you know. If you liked the looks you could have done that.
I mean Anders says this: "Should I tell you the truth? There is noone in Kirkwall I wouldn't kill to see mages free." You should realize who you are romancing before throwing accusations.
Fenris was a better romance...
Dat voice! 
...sorry Konan.
As much as I hate what Anders did, I have to agree with this. Drastic changes aren't possible without drastic measures. And that means that many innocents will get tramped underfoot. Damn. Anders at least was honest enough to recognize that and submit to your judgement (hell, you could make him kill mages for the Templars, in an incredible twist of events).
Incidentally, this is total nonsense. There are loads of drastic changes that have happened peacefully, and without extreme violence.
Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. Only a few countries ended up submitting the issue of slavery to the trial of war, like the United States and Haiti. Britain abolished slavery peacefully. So too did France (more or less...it's complicated). Same with Russia. The Ottoman Empire. Spain. Portugal. Brazil. That's a humongous change - the release of human beings from bondage - and it didn't require a John Brown an Anders to do it in most countries.
Or, for another example, the revolutions in the Eastern Bloc states in the late 1980s and early 1990s. No one needed to slaughter a bunch of Komsomol members or whatever to kickstart a war to bring down communism. By and large, the Revolutions of 1989 and the events surrounding them were relatively bloodless, with most of the few people who were killed being the most egregious criminals under the previous regimes (e.g. the Ceaușescus of Romania).
So radical change can happen without radical amounts of violence. It's people like Anders, who deliberately radicalize a situation by murdering innocents, who do their level best to prevent that from happening.
Don't worry mate. She's already dead.Fenris was a better romance...
Dat voice!
...sorry Konan.
Don't worry mate. She's already dead.
o_o I took her into my arms when she was slain by the Magisters, she is for eternity.
I wonder if the Magisters are bald...
o_o I took her into my arms when she was slain by the Magisters, she is for eternity.
I wonder if the Magisters are bald...
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...magisters?
The Magister rather...there was only one.
._. She injured him grievously but through fiendish blood magic he was able to survive.
The Magister rather...there was only one.
._. She injured him grievously but through fiendish blood magic he was able to survive.
It wasn't "fiendish". It was just one the power the Red Eyes can use. Deal with it.
Though what Konan did good.
On topic (somehow), we know that Anders won't appear if killed in DAI, What about Justice? Do you think it might appear, and in what role? Could he be returned to his previous state?
It wasn't "fiendish". It was just one the power the Red Eyes can use. Deal with it.
Though what Konan did good.
On topic (somehow), we know that Anders won't appear if killed in DAI, What about Justice? Do you think it might appear, and in what role? Could he be returned to his previous state?
He was implanted with the blood of a corpse, he was a soul automaton! Not of the Maker's hand!
And i think Justice/Vengeance likely was banished back to the fade with his vessels destruction and i think if it goes make a return it will be in the state we saw it last.
A corrupted Husk in the visage of a demon.
I'm exhausted with both of them. If and that's a big if Justice returns, I hope he's apart of a DLC and not the main game. I liked Justice in Awakening and I liked Anders in both games. I just don't want to see either of them again, or at least not for a long time.
Justice and Anders vaguely reminds me of the Banner and Hulk corruption. When Hulk started eating people after some sort of altercation with Betty ross. Not sure If I'm remembering it correctly. I think this is before World War Hulk. For the comic book fans.
So is Anders the Loghain of DA2?
You insult Loghain 
You insult Loghain
I think comparing the two is insulting to each other. 
Didn't see Anders standing by while alienage elves were being sold into slavery. Didn't see him trying to kill off the only people holding Thedas' back from annihilation. So no, I'd say he is not.
And before I get jumped by the Loghain apologists, I am aware he had good intentions.
The road to hell is paved with them.
Incidentally, this is total nonsense. There are loads of drastic changes that have happened peacefully, and without extreme violence.
Take the abolition of slavery, for instance. Only a few countries ended up submitting the issue of slavery to the trial of war, like the United States and Haiti. Britain abolished slavery peacefully. So too did France (more or less...it's complicated). Same with Russia. The Ottoman Empire. Spain. Portugal. Brazil. That's a humongous change - the release of human beings from bondage - and it didn't require
a John Brownan Anders to do it in most countries.
Or, for another example, the revolutions in the Eastern Bloc states in the late 1980s and early 1990s. No one needed to slaughter a bunch of Komsomol members or whatever to kickstart a war to bring down communism. By and large, the Revolutions of 1989 and the events surrounding them were relatively bloodless, with most of the few people who were killed being the most egregious criminals under the previous regimes (e.g. the Ceaușescus of Romania).
So radical change can happen without radical amounts of violence. It's people like Anders, who deliberately radicalize a situation by murdering innocents, who do their level best to prevent that from happening.
For more immediate comparisons, the current situation in Crimea is the first invasion I can think of in which one sovereign country invaded and annexed a significant part of another with... what, a single military casualty at this point?
You insult Loghain
I mean they're both very polarizing controversial characters who's supporters and detractors argue over their morality and if they were justified in their actions.
I saw Anders approving of selling a person to a magister. Granted, they hate each other, but I don't justify him for this.Didn't see Anders standing by while alienage elves were being sold into slavery. Didn't see him trying to kill off the only people holding Thedas' back from annihilation. So no, I'd say he is not.
And before I get jumped by the Loghain apologists, I am aware he had good intentions.
The road to hell is paved with them.
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