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KainD

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Simple situation, Pre-revolution, circles still exist.

I just wonder what would be the action: 

 

So a family has twins and both the children are found to be mages. The templars come to take them to the circle. 

Now the question - do templars put siblings in the same circle or in different circles? 



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SerCambria358

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The only reason the circles exist is to suppress the possibility of demon possession and keeping the mages in check. From what i see, having siblings in the same circle wouldnt be much of an issue in terms of those two concerns 



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Zazzerka

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Separating them would probably be more dangerous.


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Hanako Ikezawa

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To limit the possibility of the mages succumbing to demonic possession, making them as comfortable as possible is a must. So as Zazzerka said, separating siblings from each other when they are the only family they have left will more than likely do the opposite by making them emotionally compromised.



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I'm sorry if it's said somewhere in the lore or something, but then why did they take Wynne's baby away from her and take it to a different circle once they saw it was a mage (Rhys)?



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I'm sorry if it's said somewhere in the lore or something, but then why did they take Wynne's baby away from her and take it to a different circle once they saw it was a mage (Rhys)?

They took him away when he was a baby because the Circle is no place for an infant. As for once they realized he was a mage, that I don't know.



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KainD

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Alright, makes sense. 



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The Chantry seems to hate familial connections between mages.


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KainD

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The Chantry seems to hate familial connections between mages.

 

Just as I thought the question was answered.. 

 

Go on. :)



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Jack Druthers

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I would have thought they would be separated because of the access to family thing. Whether in DAU it would be noticed that twins can sometimes have an intuition type of thing between them.  In RL there has been accounts of twins thousands of miles apart doing identical things.



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They took him away when he was a baby because the Circle is no place for an infant. As for once they realized he was a mage, that I don't know.

 

Well, yeah, I meant after he was old enough to go to a Circle.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Well, yeah, I meant after he was old enough to go to a Circle.

It could have been to serve as an example to the mages to not have kids by showing that even if they grow up to be mages, you will still not be able to see them. Or perhaps he bounced around Chantrys that by the time he got his magic, the closest Circle was not the one Wynne lived in.



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Jack Druthers

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Have I got the wrong idea that a mage does not always give birth to a child with magical abilities.  I'm thinking about Carver not being a mage but he had the option of using Templar abilities or just being a GW warrior. magic was still had involved in both cases.

 

You never see any kid in DA until they're ten-twelve years old,  but you can hear a baby crying in Dust Town. 



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Have I got the wrong idea that a mage does not always give birth to a child with magical abilities.  I'm thinking about Carver not being a mage but he had the option of using Templar abilities or just being a GW warrior. magic was still had involved in both cases.

 

Mages can be born to anybody. Look at Feynriel and his parents.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Mages can be born to anybody. Look at Feynriel and his parents.

That said, families with a history of mages being born in it are more likely to produce mage children.



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I would hope they kept them together. They could wear matching robes and mage circlets.

It'd be faaaabulous.


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I'd guess that they separate them.

The circles operate much in the ways of monastic orders when it comes to keeping ties to the past: they separate you from it to help you acclimatize. Isolation makes the process much faster. Two siblings having one another will constantly remind one another of their past life and their parents, keeping very strong ties to their former home and family. The entire point with separating apprentices from their families would be lost.

 

This isolation seems lessened once the mages become enchanters though. Probably because by that point most mages will consider the circles their new family (which is the purposes of isolations like this).

 

That said... in praxis it probably depends on the templar bringing them in, the circle in question and their age. Geographically distant circles like Hossberg and Darsmuid probably allows siblings to stay together more often goven the difficulty of travel. Wheras Kirkwall, Starkhaven, Cumberland, Val Royeuax and Montsimmard have easy access to one another.


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I think the point of separating the children from mage parents is to avoid any sort of dynasty within the Circle, no inheritance issues if separated. Maybe.

 

Still, Bethany in Kirkwall was able to send letters, so it's not like communication is cut off. Finn from Witch Hunt even got gifts from his parents and speaks of them often, so they have a good relationship. He was even allowed to adventure with the Warden with only a, "Okay, sure, but be careful" from the Templars. What?! Then again, it was Fereldan, where a Circle mage was also able to have a house and family with no one raising a stink about it.

 

Probably varies from Circle to Circle. Pattern seems to be: don't rock the boat, get more freedom to do whatever.


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Knight of Dane

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Seeing as the Human Mage Warden doesn't have any siblings within the Calenhad Circle it seems safe to bet that Revka's two other children were taken to other circles as well.



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Jack Druthers

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Seeing as the Human Mage Warden doesn't have any siblings within the Calenhad Circle it seems safe to bet that Revka's two other children were taken to other circles as well.

It was never stated what happened to Damion his brother was it?, Was he a mage too? I wondered if the Warden was born in Kirkwall why they sent the kid to Ferelden.  All the same, it was a nice touch (if bitter) doing the Amell storyline.

 

In an alternative story, had that knowledge from the codex entry been known in Origins, it could have led to the possibility of  magic talented noble (because he would not be a GW or The Hero of Ferelden) standing for Viscount against  Hawke for the position, or maybe support Hawke to do it.  It might have made Meredith and Orsino pay attention.  This shows that just putting a child in the circle, has the potential to change History.



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It would probably depend on wether or not the Circle in question had space for two more, and wether or not it wanted two siblings, and a whole truckload of other factors that we can't list because we simply don't know them.



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I get the feeling that the Chantry would separate them. Their preference seems to be to separate family members were possible to try and get them to form stronger attachments to the Circle. Mages like Finn - with parents who are allowed to communicate with them seem to be rarer.  



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I'm of two minds. On one side, having your sibling would help to adapt to the Circle, to ease the transition. But on the other hand, if one is strongly against the Circle, or is failing in their studies, or is particularly likely to become possessed, it would only make it all the easier to corrupt the sibling. And then that's two people gone and dead, rather than just one.
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It was never stated what happened to Damion his brother was it?, Was he a mage too? I wondered if the Warden was born in Kirkwall why they sent the kid to Ferelden.  All the same, it was a nice touch (if bitter) doing the Amell storyline.

Damion was Revka's husband.

 

We don't know where Revka lived or how many children she had, the only mention is that Leandra states that "the circle took all of them" (if your Warden was Amell and Hawke asks about their family in act 1)

 

Which must mean she had at least two children (I would guess three since Leandra says "them all" and not "them both.")

 

Edit:

This Entry makes it sound like Revka did live in Kirkwall.



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Thanks for that Knight of Dane - Ah, so Fausten was the Warden's Grandfather?  

 

I have trouble understanding why nobles lacked the cullions to let it all happen. They take sides in a civil war yet do nothing to protect their own children from imprisonment.  I'm not suggesting a "Noble Circle" should have been established, but they let the Chantry take their child who who is maybe the last of their line without question.  We all know Isolde's reasons regarding the Connor situation.  A duchess even donates one of her homes so her daughter can be comfortable as a Circle Mage.  The De Launcet parents are just ..well.  At least Malcolm Hawke had the advantage of being able to teach his kids.

 

 I take it none of these parents knew about The Harrowing or The Rite of Tranquility, (The Templars are hardly going to grab the kid whilst handing the parents a pamphlet titled "So your child is a potential abomination?") maybe they might have had a different reaction if they did know about the treatment in some circles, though I can understand the curse related fear and suspicion that most of the population feel towards Mages.  If the Nobility were ignorant of such things then a peasant had no chance.  Even the promise of a good education and free board still seems a steep price to pay.