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[EmissaryofLies]

I'll give the pup fifteen pages before the natural BSN evolution takes place.

 

As for the topic at hand. Likewise with the op until more information is revealed.

[Dean_the_Young]

It will probably help to identify the Circles least likely to matter. Which would be... the two most recently annulled circles, Kirkwall (the primary Circle of the Free Marches, and an unchanging bastion of Templar power) and Rivain (the Circle of Rivain). Those obviously won't be bastions of mage resistance, though there might be long-distance supporters. Unlikely to be significant or decisive, though a certain DA2 companion might throw some against the Templars to spite a pro-Templar Hawke who sparred Anders. Regardless, the east is probably a Templar stronghold- or at least an area where the mages have, if not already lost outright, are at extreme if not overwhelming disadvantage.

 

 

That leaves the Anderfels, Tevinter, Nevarra, Orlais, and Ferelden. And the Qunari, as an outside factor..

 

 

The Anderfels, being the most isolated, probably won't be too influential. With the Wardens dominating the politics and being largely indifferent to the mage-templar issue, and the extremely devout Andrastians following the Chantry, I suspect there will be relatively few troubles and that the conflict there will be determined by whichever way the Chantry goes in DAI. Warden influence, and disinterest, being a mitigating factor on whatever else occurs.

 

Tevinter, on the other hand, will almost certainly support the mages- a stick in the eye for the Chantry and to the southern nations of Thedas if nothing else. Besides the rumors (from Fenris) of their support for the mage independence movement from the start, the Tevinter Magisters stand to gain the most by significant change from the mage policies in the Andrastian nations. Probably the best outcome for them would be independent but weak mage-states and enclaves that can be made dependent on Tevinter support.

 

 

Ferelden, to the far south-east, is also likely to be a marginal influence- still recovering from the Blight. Support (or oppossition) to the (possibly rebuilt) Ferelden Circle is unlikely to be significant- out of weakness if nothing else. On the other hand, this means that the Ferelden Circle is less likely to face serious opposition from the kingdom, and that the Templars won't have much official support in the area. I think passive support for the Mages is about as much as Ferelden will be able to muster, though a lack of support for the Templars and not (being able to?) opposing the mages may be more significant. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if the Ferelden Circle is one which has ejected its Templars and remains a viable mage enclave until the west is dominated one way or the other.

 

 

 

Which, if this assessment holds true, makes the decisive area the central/southwest of Thedas: Nevarra and Orlais. Particularly Orlais, which has an ongoing civil war and chantry schism to justify radical new alliances to change the status quo.

 

Nevarra, sometimes ally and sometimes rival, doesn't have enough established lore to say they will support one side or the other, but it also has enough context and rivalries with Orlais and the other Free Marches to justify Mages being able to find significant backers and supporters. I don't remember it being mentioned as a DAI area or not, but it could easily be an area where the mages are able to avoid and disrupt the Templars. Similar to Ferelden- two undecided aspects of the core decisive region.

 

Orlais, however, is almost certainly going to be the decisive factor, and one which will hinge on the Inquisitor. Between the Orlesian civil war and getting the victorious faction to back the Templars or Mages, and getting the Chantry to take a stand as well, whoever claims influence over Orlais and the Chantry will have the influence to influence Ferelden and Nevarra, and likely determine the fate of the rebellion.

 

 

As for the Qunari... well, they are a wildcard. They may do nothing, and act elsewhere. They might support whichever faction offers the most disruption. They could even covertly support both factions. Whatever furthers the Qun, they will do... but how they interpret the Qun's demands are a mystery.

[Iron Fist]

And them violently deposing the ruling Lord somehow endears the Marchers to their cause?

 

Violently? It wouldn't necessarily have to be that way.

 

If they take over the infrastructure of a city, then the people need them. Or else, they can just leave.

 

Either way, they can establish bastions for other mages.

 

It's hard to lead a war without a base. A city has everything you need.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Orlais is the center of power of the order last we heard though, It supposedly maintained the largest gathering of forces of the Templars, By Martial Capabilities alone you figure it would warrant support over the mages just to be done with the conflict. Add in Chantry Doctrine and i think a lot of people would overlook the Templars in their little war if not supporting it with resources.
 
But by and large i'd agree most nations would be neutral, i just think given Orlais stance on its current crisis they would support the likely victor of the conflict within their own realm merely for it not to blow over in their faces.

That was before the head of the seekers took control of the templars and declared the divine to be a dumb ****** though. So yeah, things have kinda gotten a bit out of hand and I doubt the divine would allow the templars to just come waltzing into the seat of her power so easily.

[Grieving Natashina]

In the end, when it comes to the nations, this conversation between Varric and Isabela comes to mind:

 

• Varric: Just curious, does any of this make sense to you?
• Isabela: What? This whole "everyone's waiting for the world to end" thing?
• Varric: Yeah, that.
• Isabela: Not remotely.
• Varric: Good. It's not just me, then.

[EmissaryofLies]

To be lucidly honest, we're probably talking about the final Dragon Age game anyway.

 

I perfectly expect Bioware to dash my Mage vs. Templar dreams, like a babe against the rocks.

[Iron Fist]

To be lucidly honest, we're probably talking about the final Dragon Age game anyway.

 

I perfectly expect Bioware to dash my Mage vs. Templar dreams, like a babe against the rocks.

 

DAI could likely be the final game, if it isn't financially successful.

[EmissaryofLies]

True.

 

Though with the hype it has accrued, it might very well be their biggest of the year.

[Veruin]

DAI could likely be the final game, if it isn't financially successful.

It could be the final game, but that doesn't mean it will be written as one.

[Dean_the_Young]

After all, David Gaider has noted multiple times on his blog that Dragon Age was designed with no story arc unifying it, and with each region of Thedas being intended to have a potential plot hook to serve as a setting for a game.

 

If DAI is the last Dragon Age game, it won't be by original intent or lack of future games.

[AresKeith]

True.

 

Though with the hype it has accrued, it might very well be their biggest of the year.

 

Outside of this forum DA:I isn't really that hyped compared to ME3

[EmissaryofLies]

Outside of this forum DA:I isn't really that hyped compared to ME3

 

A few character vignettes in its trailers oughta remedy that.

 

If not, it can stand to be at least moderately successful.

[Grieving Natashina]

A few character vignettes in its trailers oughta remedy that.

 

If not, it can stand to be at least moderately successful.

I was kind of thinking the same thing.  I'm sure the hype machine is going to really ramp up during the Convention Season.  That's when we'll probably get our next big round of DA:I information.

[Iron Fist]

It could be the final game, but that doesn't mean it will be written as one.

 

This is assuming that ending the current mage-templar conflict implies no future conflicts.

[EmissaryofLies]

This is assuming that ending the current mage-templar conflict implies no future conflicts.

 

 Thedas is going to turn into the BSN .

[DrBlingzle]

I'll give the pup fifteen pages before the natural BSN evolution takes place.

Ugh. I get the feeling this is going to be accurate.

[AresKeith]

Ugh. I get the feeling this is going to be accurate.

 

Wait till certain people posts, that's when it happens

[DrBlingzle]

Wait till certain people posts, that's when it happens

Yeah for now its actually been fairly reasnoble and some good ideas have been shared.

[Master Warder Z_]

That was before the head of the seekers took control of the templars and declared the divine to be a dumb ****** though. So yeah, things have kinda gotten a bit out of hand and I doubt the divine would allow the templars to just come waltzing into the seat of her power so easily.

 

We will see, There has been no mention of an official chantry stance on the departure of the Templars.

 

That said the Anti Magic Dogma of the Chantry is still present, and the Templars are still the Order that safeguarded normal people from it for the prior nine hundred plus years.

 

The Chantry may or may not support the War but the message they have been giving these centuries is still there.

[dragonflight288]

Mages: Nevarra, Ferelden, Rivain, maybe some city-states in the Free Marches.

 

Templars: Orlais (when they're not fighting their civil war), the Anderfels, maybe some city-states in the Free Marches

 

Antiva: Will hire Crows to both sides.

 

Tevinter: Will probably invade and enslave everyone again.

 

Qunari: Will probably invade and force conversion into the Qun upon everyone.

 

Flemeth: She'll do her own thing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Violently? It wouldn't necessarily have to be that way.

 

If they take over the infrastructure of a city, then the people need them. Or else, they can just leave.

 

Either way, they can establish bastions for other mages.

 

It's hard to lead a war without a base. A city has everything you need.

 

Like i said them deposing a ruling lord and hijacking a city demonstrates people should support them?

 

Brilliant PR scheme if nothing else.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mages: Nevarra, Ferelden, Rivain, maybe some city-states in the Free Marches.

 

Templars: Orlais (when they're not fighting their civil war), the Anderfels, maybe some city-states in the Free Marches

 

Antiva: Will hire Crows to both sides.

 

Tevinter: Will probably invade and enslave everyone again.

 

Qunari: Will probably invade and force conversion into the Qun upon everyone.

 

Flemeth: She'll do her own thing.

 

One question, How would Fereldan be Pro Mage in world states where they never made said offer to mages?

 

Offering it to one circle out of gratitude after a Blight is different then offering aslyum to random mages during a war where their Nation could become a battleground.

[dragonflight288]

One question, How would Fereldan be Pro Mage in world states where they never made said offer to mages?

 

Offering it to one circle out of gratitude after a Blight is different then offering aslyum to random mages during a war where their Nation could become a battleground.

 

Well, I think the devs said that Ferelden is already more liberal than other nations concerning the Chantry and the mages, well aside from Rivain and Tevinter of course. Both Alistair and Anora support the Circle, and shelter mages who are running away from Meredith in Kirkwall. That, and Ferelden has a very precarious relationship with the Chantry because of the role they played in the novel Stolen Throne and how they supported Orlais before it became apparent that Ferelden could win, and were only a hair away from being kicked out of the country by Maric and Loghain. 

 

And if Alistair is king, he offers asylum to mages even if the Warden isn't a mage. I imported my dwarven noble playthrough, and Meredith was tearing into Alistair and accusing him of not knowing his duty as a king because he was keeping the chantry from these mages he was harboring. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, I think the devs said that Ferelden is already more liberal than other nations concerning the Chantry and the mages, well aside from Rivain and Tevinter of course. Both Alistair and Anora support the Circle, and shelter mages who are running away from Meredith in Kirkwall. That, and Ferelden has a very precarious relationship with the Chantry because of the role they played in the novel Stolen Throne and how they supported Orlais before it became apparent that Ferelden could win, and were only a hair away from being kicked out of the country by Maric and Loghain. 

 

And if Alistair is king, he offers asylum to mages even if the Warden isn't a mage. I imported my dwarven noble playthrough, and Meredith was tearing into Alistair and accusing him of not knowing his duty as a king because he was keeping the chantry from these mages he was harboring. 

 

He offers Asylum to three random Apostates during peacetime, again not exactly the same situation.

 

Back then all the Chantry was doing was throwing a hissy fit via Meredith, The Templars had basically declared a Crusade against rebels mages yet.

 

Possible Dev Comments aside, I'd say a Nation recovering from a Blight would do what most would do with no vest interest in the conflict, close their borders to both parties and let them kill each other.

[Lulupab]

One question, How would Fereldan be Pro Mage in world states where they never made said offer to mages?

 

Offering it to one circle out of gratitude after a Blight is different then offering aslyum to random mages during a war where their Nation could become a battleground.

 

Well one thing is for certain about Fereldan, they will not support the Templars. Alistair practically wants to kick them out of country for good and he bans the Templars from pursuit of apostates as he himself say the circle is property of chantry but he has full control on all citizens living in Fereldan even apostates. Take Anders to meeting with Alistar in act 3 to hear these.