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[Master Warder Z_]

At this point many things are speculations. However with current little amount of evidence Alistair is slightly pro-mage and will likely support them. However as I said at this point anything can change and nothing is certain. 

 

Slightly pro mage due to comments you have twisted to suit your argument. And there isn't much to indicate he would support them beyond possible decisions made in world states that may or may not be applicable.

 

 Nothing is indicative of there being anything beyond neutrality for Fereldan.

[Taleroth]

The only sides I've seen so far are the Chaotic Evil Red Templars and everybody else.

 

I don't see too many nations supporting the slaughter of their own citizens by crazy people.

[Lulupab]

Slightly pro mage due to comments you have twisted to suit your argument. And there isn't much to indicate he would support them beyond possible decisions made in world states that may or may not be applicable.
 
 Nothing is indicative of there being anything beyond neutrality for Fereldan.

 
Yeah sure, whatever. I "twisted" them. Its easy to accuse someone of this when you have nothing to offer but false accusation with no elaboration.

[AresKeith]

 
Yeah sure, whatever. I "twisted" them. Its easy to accuse someone of this when you have nothing to offer but false accusation with no elaboration.

 

You know that falls back on you also right?

[Lulupab]

You know that falls back on you also right?

 

It all comes to "Ha! easier said than done" line and your interpretation. I made mine, you show me none.

[Master Warder Z_]

It all comes to "Ha! easier said than done" line and your interpretation. I made mine, you show me none.

 

You showed your interpretation, and many others have done the same.

 

I don't get where the ego of "I have done something you have not" comes into play when we are all arguing perspective here.

 

Seems a bit silly to me.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

The mages can help as they always have in emergencies. They can close the tears and help rebuild especially the mages from Fereldan itself. Would Fereldan rather be invaded by another nation? Each faction will choose a side, sooner or later. 

 

The reasons you mentioned doesn't justifying not choosing a side at all. More than ten years has passed since Fereldan blight.

 

I am sorry but could you give a link to the source where it is stated  that mages can close tears. And how does staying neutral results in Fereldan being invaded?

[Master Warder Z_]

 
Yeah sure, whatever. I "twisted" them. Its easy to accuse someone of this when you have nothing to offer but false accusation with no elaboration.

 

Erm Ser Irminric Knight Brother of the Denerim Chantry and  Older Brother to the current Bann of the Dragons Peak Bannorn aka Nobility.

 

Most Prominently featured in the quest "Lost Templar" Taking place during the events of the Landsmeet portion of the game during the quest "Rescue the Queen"

 

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Lost_Templar

 

So there you have an entire host of reasons why any support of the Mage cause may cause issues with this family.

 

If she was willing to fight one King, why would she not be willing to do it again?

[AresKeith]

And how does staying neutral results in Fereldan being invaded?

 

Yea, neither faction can afford invading a country

[Lulupab]

You showed your interpretation, and many others have done the same.

 

I don't get where the ego of "I have done something you have not" comes into play when we are all arguing perspective here.

 

Seems a bit silly to me.

 

No they haven't. Only Dean did. All of them came here and accused twisting. Not even you.

 

- You are the king, why don't you kick them out?

- Ha! easier said than done.

 

-You are the ruler of your own life, why don't you become a doctor.

- Ha! easier said than done.

 

In both scenario the 2nd person wants to do the named thing however its either hard or obstacles in the way. Or both.

[AresKeith]

No they haven't. Only Dean did. All of them came here and accused twisting. Not even you.

 

- You are the king, why don't you kick them out?

- Ha! easier said than done.

 

-You are the ruler of your own life, why don't you become a doctor.

- Ha! easier said than done.

 

In both scenario the 2nd person wants to do the named thing however its either hard or obstacles in the way. Or both.

 

And you do know that Alistair is know for making sarcastic jokes right?

 

Because that is literally what a sarcastic remark looks like

[Lulupab]

I am sorry but could you give a link to the source where it is stated  that mages can close tears. And how does staying neutral results in Fereldan being invaded?

Mages can close the Veil tears, or spirits or even demons, if they cared enough to do so.

Codex:

It is theorized that the Veil tends to be weaker in places that feature (or have experienced) extensive death and or use of magic. What is known for sure is the use of blood magic can allow the Veil to be opened completely so that demons may physically pass through it into the physical world. Areas that can be seen or felt where the Veil is thin are usually referred to as 'Tears' in the Veil (in keeping with the fabric metaphor). 'Mending' these Tears (i.e. strengthening the Veil) is extremely difficult , especially for those unfamiliar with the area.

 

For example, in Soldier's Peak, either Sophia Dryden or Avernus can accomplish such a mending (Avernus being the likely source of the tear with blood magic, can mend it with blood magic, and Sophia being a powerful abomination who has remained in the vicinity for centuries).

 

There is no hope to close a Veil tear without either a mage, demon or spirit. Since the latter two are very rare to help Mages are your best bet. 

[Lulupab]

And you do know that Alistair is know for making sarcastic jokes right?

 

Because that is literally what a sarcastic remark looks like

 

Even so, it has a meaning behind it no matter how sarcastic. Its not a joke, its just witty. Calling it a joke is twisting it.

 

It so clearly means I would but only if I could. There are much more pressing matters at hand especially at that time Alistair is speaking in the keep.

 

Edit: And he wouldn't be the first. Some nations also wanted to kick the Templars out before but failed. But with the war and red templars its possible now.

[Master Warder Z_]

Even so, it has a meaning behind it no matter how sarcastic. Its not a joke, its just witty. Calling it a joke is twisting it.

 

It so clearly means I would but only if I could. There are much more pressing matters at hand especially at that time Alistair is speaking in the keep.

 

See that's what we call interpretation.

[AresKeith]

Even so, it has a meaning behind it no matter how sarcastic. Its not a joke, its just witty. Calling it a joke is twisting it.

 

It so clearly means I would but only if I could. There are much more pressing matters at hand especially at that time Alistair is speaking in the keep.

 

Edit: And he wouldn't be the first. Some nations also wanted to kick the Templars out before but failed. But with the war and red templars its possible now.

 

No, I said Alistair is known for making Sarcastic jokes. His reply to Hawke was a sarcastic remark.

[Lulupab]

See that's what we call interpretation.

 

And its not twisting, glad to hear that. If you have your Interpretation I'd like to hear it. The way I see it, no matter how slight Alistair is favoring mages. I mean he just called Meredith the biggest threat to Kirkwall in that very conversation. He is always witty which makes people not take him seriously but he always acts upon what he says.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

 

It so clearly means I would but only if I could. There are much more pressing matters at hand especially at that time Alistair is speaking in the keep.

 

Not necessarily, Not unless you take it completely  out out of context, combine it with Alistair's incessant need of making jokes and mixing it with what YOU think is the right thing to do. 

 

Hawke's Question was why can't he free the mages in his country considering that he is the one with absolute power.

 

To which he replied with the infamous quote (one which you have over-analysed to death) 'Ha, Easier said than done'

 

He could mean II want to but I can't or he could mean A King really does NOT have absolute authority .

[Master Warder Z_]

And its not twisting, glad to hear that. If you have your Interpretation I'd like to hear it. The way I see it, no matter how slight Alistair is favoring mages. I mean he just called Meredith the biggest threat to Kirkwall in that very conversation. He is always witty which makes people not take him seriously but he always acts upon what he says.

 

I have been giving it since Yesterday.

 

He risks civil war if he supports the Mages.

 

It invites further instability and turns his Nation into a battleground for a war he ultimately cannot afford so soon after all a blight.

 

Even assuming his politics were Pro Mage, Given the stance that would come from at least one member of the Bannorn i cannot see it as an overly popular or well supported move and given Fereldan cannot operate with out support of the Bannorn, i cannot see it occurring.

[Master Warder Z_]

A King really does NOT have absolute authority .

 

Not in Fereldan, Hence the whole needing to win over the Bannorn to do anything.

[Lulupab]

No, I said Alistair is known for making Sarcastic jokes. His reply to Hawke was a sarcastic remark.

 

So when says he won't let Orlais swoop down on them he is not serious? It is a sarcastic remark but it means they will not let Orlais invade. Its not a joke, its witty truth.

 

Also

 

"I dont feel the same way about the mages as the chantry does"  followed by "We as are in disagreement with the chantry and they tend to be nasty." And after that 
"We'll see what become of it as Ferelden is not at its strongest"

 

Right now there is a quarrel between Ferelden and chantry as Alistair speaks. Also he says "We" as in all people?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Alistair can be slow, but he's not stupid.  Well, not THAT stupid.

He gave elves land guess who will first on their way when they will start war?

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Not in Fereldan, Hence the whole needing to win over the Bannorn to do anything.

 

 

And Since Alistair is the King of Fereldan, we could ASSUME he might be making a joke about the power of the Monarch or lack thereof .

 

Notice I said 'Assume' because that is all we can do at this point, And since Alistair is not a real person and you don't have training in Psychology (you could, but it wont matter, because he is not a real person) so, you can't exactly delve into his psyche and figure out what he really means .

[LobselVith8]

Or you know incite full on civil war considering you have nobility in the country that is related to members of the Templar Order and are sort of supportive of them.

But i'm certain that probably won't happen, i mean it isn't as if Fereldans don't fight each other for the barest thread of reason.

And it wouldn't happen to be coming just barely a decade after a blight when the Nation is still in recovery, I mean surely nothing could go wrong from this Brave Moral stand!

Its lovely how folks overlook all the negatives that come out of such things.

The ruler already endorsed mage autonomy in the pro-Magi Boon ending. The Inquisition is a growing power. I'm not seeing how this would be impossible or improbable with both the Crown and the Inquisition supporting the mages against Lambert's faction.

Given that the developers said the player can chose between the mages and the templars, I'm not seeing the issue here. The Inquisition supporting the mages over the templars, along with the Crown of Ferelden, doesn't seem unlikely to me. Especially in light of the Magi Boon.

Either the Magi Boon is properly addressed now that the Circles aren't governed by the Chantry and the templars anymore, or it's blatantly ignored.

[Master Warder Z_]

The ruler already endorsed mage autonomy in the pro-Magi Boon ending. The Inquisition is a growing power. I'm not seeing how this would be impossible or improbable with both the Crown and the Inquisition supporting the mages against Lambert's faction.

Given that the developers said the player can chose between the mages and the templars, I'm not seeing the issue here. The Inquisition supporting the mages over the templars, along with the Crown of Ferelden, doesn't seem unlikely to me. Especially in light of the Magi Boon.

Either the Magi Boon is properly addressed now that the Circles aren't governed by the Chantry and the templars anymore, or it's blatantly ignored.

 

So now we go into how the PC can support such methods, rather then it happening offhandedly via outside events.

 

How exactly does this remain relevant to what i even said?

[LobselVith8]

So now we go into how the PC can support such methods, rather then it happening offhandedly via outside events.

How exactly does this remain relevant to what i even said?

Considering I originally addressed the player aiding the Crown via the Inquisition in helping make this happen (given Queen Anora and King Alistair supporting this in the Magi Boon ending), it's completely relevant to my initial point.