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The Next Mass Effect - Explanation of No Shepard


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#51
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Sequel set long long afterwards for me. Passing references to Shep and Co and to his survival or death at hands of reapers but no detail.

 

Problem is that's just trivializing player choice (again). Red, Blue or Green?  Doesn't matter, you end up in the same place anyway with only token changes.

 

At least with a reboot, the circle gets closed as far as Shepard's story is concerned.



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Problem is that's just trivializing player choice (again). Red, Blue or Green?  Doesn't matter, you end up in the same place anyway with only token changes.

 

At least with a reboot, the circle gets closed as far as Shepard's story is concerned.

 

Something that unpicks everything about mass effect in order to sell it off as a cheap reboot way of milking the franchise sounds utterly awful.

 

I'd prefer converging futures with token differences in a long post set sequel that doesn't gut the mass effect universe to that awfulness..



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Something that unpicks everything about mass effect in order to sell it off as a cheap reboot way of milking the franchise sounds utterly awful.

 

I'd prefer converging futures with token differences in a long post set sequel that doesn't gut the mass effect universe to that awfulness..

 

Unfortunately for me, "cheap reboot" is pretty the least bad option.  If nothing else, it throws the ending baggage out the airlock.

 

personally, I think Bioware never intended Mass Effect to go beyond three games anyway.



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Unfortunately for me, "cheap reboot" is pretty the least bad option.  If nothing else, it throws the ending baggage out the airlock.

 

personally, I think Bioware never intended Mass Effect to go beyond three games anyway.

I agree they clearly didn't intend for future games, given the original endings.

 

For me distant future sequel with cosmetic differences is 'least bad option'. At least it doesn't throw large elements of the universe out the airlock whilst cutting out reapers and Shep.



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It's not "highly likely" to be a sequel. It can't really be a sequel unless they make one ending canon. Either all synthetic life is dead; the Reapers are being controlled by Shepard and are probably still helping out; every organic is more or less a cyborg and the synthetics understand organics; or there is a perfect new world with completely different species. That's essentially four completely different games.

Or they just say scr*w you to two of the endings and force the canon into a streamline, from where the new story begins.

And since the ME3 endings su***d i would go for that solution. 3 times better than a prequel  (and with the reaper-destruction-ending everything would work out).   

To me, prequels only show that storywriters lack ideas how to proceed with the created universe.

 

And about Shepard being part of a sequel... well it depends on how much time passed between the ending of ME3 and ME4. If for example a hundred years passed, the whole question would be obsolete.



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I dont understand how they will do it if its a sequel because of the different endings but hopefully they will pull it off. Maybe its in another galaxy where humans also exist somehow? 



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ME1-3 --> Large invading wave

 

ME:Next --> Several wildfires

Not forcibly.  There are many possible ways, the story of a nwe ME could work out.

For Example:  the story could start about several years after the defeat of the reapers and the newfounded council decides to explore new unknown systems. The player could be part of a first contact team... or a furtune-hunter onhis search for treasure and they bump into some kind of big empire or other threat.



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I say for the choices not to matter like they claim they wouldnt (unless this has changed and the choices from previous games will matter) it wouldnt make sense for the game to be set just a few years after mass effect 3. It has to be either a prequel or a sequel but set alot of years later after mass effect 3. Hint: The VERY end of the mass effect 3 ending (after the credits)



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Not forcibly.  There are many possible ways, the story of a nwe ME could work out.

For Example:  the story could start about several years after the defeat of the reapers and the newfounded council decides to explore new unknown systems. The player could be part of a first contact team... or a furtune-hunter onhis search for treasure and they bump into some kind of big empire or other threat.

 

I'm not just talking about what could be. I'm talking about what I think will be.



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I'm not just talking about what could be. I'm talking about what I think will be.

Without any deeper invormation about ME4 and the intentions of the developers, any kind of opinion and suggestion would be REALLY vague.

That's why i stay with "could" and "would" and not "it will be like this"... or do you have a mole anywhere inside Bioware?



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Without any deeper invormation about ME4 and the intentions of the developers, any kind of opinion and suggestion would be REALLY vague.

That's why i stay with "could" and "would" and not "it will be like this"... or do you have a mole anywhere inside Bioware?

 

'think' does not = 'know'

 

In this case I use the definition of "to have or form in the mind as an idea, conception, etc. "

 

I have several things that I think the next game will be about and contain, and this is just one of the possibilities to me.

 

Source: my critical thinking. Looking at the past game content, its possible symbols and themes, the upcoming Bioware content, possible leaks, and possible rumors.

 

Of course I don't know what the next game will be. I could be entirely wrong. But saying 'think it will be' is often the same as going 'this could be'. I think it will be a cloudy day here outside, based on weather reports and the time of year, but I don't know it for certain. It could happen or it could not.

 

I'll turn off the snarky text tone now, sorry! It's not intended.



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Why is Shepard needed for ME4? His story is done unless you want ME: Sims starring Shep in a hospital bed recovering

New game, new trilogy, new protagonist. Time to move on buddy

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I honestly don't understand how it would be a prequel. If it's a prequel, then first, there are going to be some characters or species that are famous in ME trilogy, second, I don't see how there can be implemented a concept of making decisions, if it is a history lesson really and all major outcomes are known in ME1.
Second, this can't be a sequel in the same universe because as was stated before, 4 different endings - 4 different games. 

 

The only possible plot without making 1 ending canon IMO can be a completely new story with nothing from trilogy in it a.k.a. outside of Milky Way with maybe some easter eggs like references. Or, there can be a sequel, but that is in even further future, and no matter what ending it was, there would be and explanation of why things gone like that in a new game like 'Reapers helped to rebuild our homes and after that never been seen again' or 'After the destruction of Reapers...' and something like that. I'm only curious about a Synthesis aftermath. Probably not going to happen as it will be much different. Only if synthetics have not learned to understand organics by themselves if Synthesis was not chosen and I can clearly see transhumans (or thansorganics if you wish) in it since even in ME1 there was a technology that could 'Upgrade' people with implants. And Shepard became a Cyborg in ME2 so I'm afraid anything's possible unless it's a prequel. 



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Second, this can't be a sequel in the same universe because as was stated before, 4 different endings - 4 different games. 

Or they will just pick one of the Endings and continue from there - which i would prefer.

Wasn't it always that way with many games?  Thinking back at C&C. Even though GDI or NOD could have won, the story continued always from one of the two possible outcomes acting like the other never happened.

the easiest way for Storywriters.



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While I do want the next game to be a sequel, or one in a AU. It is not highly likely of either of these two being made. Bioware will decide to make a prequel or sequel independently of surveys or polls. But I do hope it is not a prequel.

 

Agreed.



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If Shepard is the main character in ME4, then BioEA will be showing some balls and some class.  The abortion that was ME3 can be fixed by treating it as a speed bump to a final save the universe mission followed by a retirement for Shepard.  Anything else and not having Shepard there is an elephant in the room.  BioEA has to treat Shepard right if they expect the franchise to maintain popularity... and keep making money.



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Hay Brainaiac  Next Time You Link Some Thing That Bioware Said In A Post At Least Look At The Date The Link You Hade Was 3:24PM,19,November 2012,  



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If it were me, I would put in a line such as, "Shepard? Shepard who?"



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If it were me, I would put in a line such as, "Shepard? Shepard who?"

lol, I see what you did there.



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Just canonize destroy and move on. It doesn't matter because we're starting from a clean slate; no continuation of our previous Shep games anyway.

People come at this like "how can Bioware possibly reconcile the ME3 choices?". Why on earth would they? Even if they put you in a universe where all the major choices you made (i.e. genophage, Geth, RGB) are reflected, it's still going to be a completely new cast of characters and a totally new story. I'd rather have an enjoyable experience than have an ME3 import just for the sake of it.

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I would be diasappointed if wouldn't hear anything about Shepard.



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I don't think the new ME game will have anything to do with what played out in the trilogy, so no mention or reference at all. As I don't believe they'll go for a sequel, there is no reason to mention Shepard at all.



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I don't think the new ME game will have anything to do with what played out in the trilogy, so no mention or reference at all. As I don't believe they'll go for a sequel, there is no reason to mention Shepard at all.


Gotta disagree. BW would be very aware that most feedback has been pro-sequel, anti-prequel/sidequel (with exceptions, of course).

I'm not sure to what extent they will (or even can) address the different endings and choices from the trilogy but I don't think they're silly enough to go against what appears to be the majority of the fan base. And I can't see a sequel without at least some reference to Shep and the Reaper war.

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Gotta disagree. BW would be very aware that most feedback has been pro-sequel, anti-prequel/sidequel (with exceptions, of course).

I'm not sure to what extent they will (or even can) address the different endings and choices from the trilogy but I don't think they're silly enough to go against what appears to be the majority of the fan base. And I can't see a sequel without at least some reference to Shep and the Reaper war.

I have my doubts about them paying much attention to feedback. They might to some degree, but not as far as how the new story will be positioned. I think the feedback they will take into account is more on the level of player control and consequence, importance of story etc.

If they decide on a prequel for whatever reason (artistic integrity?), feedback won't change that.

 

The reason I think they won't go for a sequel mostly has to do with the endings of ME3. If they're going to make any reference to the reapers and Shepard, they'll have to come up with some kind of canon ending.



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I like to think that mass effect 4 takes place a good few decades after mass effect 3.  That way, the details of your choices in the original trilogy get lost in the aftermath of the reaper battle.