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[Village_Idiot]

IN SPACE.

[BurningBlood]

It's on the Citadel.

 

If you look at this clip, at the 9:04 mark, you'll see a curved structure come into view in the upper center of the screen.  It caught my eye since everything else around it is blocky and broken.  You can also see that same structure on the Citadel, during the end sequence, as Shepard slooooowly walks through the "valley" from the conduit to the console where the Anderson/TIM confrontation takes place.  It's easy to miss if you're not looking, though: at the bottom of the "valley" Shep is walking on what looks like a pair of metal catwalks with a grooved ridge running between the catwalks; this center ridge has three holes in it, and the structure can be seen if you look down those holes.  It appears to be a support for the catwalks.  It's also easiest to see from the third hole (the last hole you pass) since it's better lit.

 

Also, what appears to be rebar sticking up out of the rubble are actually flexible tubes hanging down from above - you can see the tubes in the area immediately before the "valley", where Shep first emerges from the conduit and the keepers are salvaging corpses.

[XPMUser]

Eden Prime. Everything after the beacon was a dream.

[Farangbaa]

Eden Prime. Everything after the beacon was a dream.

 

For some people, it works better that way. They prefer to have been lied to for 2.95 games, than deal with an ending they don't like.

 

Humanity, ha.

[We'll bang okay]

The apartment 

[themikefest]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite place on the Citadel under the rubble.

[Iakus]

For some people, it works better that way. They prefer to have been lied to for 2.95 games, than deal with an ending they don't like.

 

Humanity, ha.

 

Indeed.  It takes aspecial kind of bad to make an ending soawful that fans would prefer that.

[nallepuh86]

Shepard could be in London still. In that case everything after Harby's laser is an illusion. This is supported by the fact that we get three "fades to white", once after Harby's laser, once after we take the beam up to the Citadel, and once when we go up the elevator to the decision chamber. These fades to white can be seen at the beginning of every dream Shepard has in ME3.

 

There is also a possibility that Shepard is near the control panel on the Citadel, and only the last part (decision chamber) was a full blown illusion. In that case, the explosion on the Citadel only happened in Shep's mind, and the rubble we see in the breath scene could be the result of the Reapers attacking the Citadel as soon as Shepard picks destroy. Shepard survives with high EMS because there are more war assets to protect Shep.

 

It's impossible to be certain though.

 

Analysis of the breath scene shows some weird Reaper artifact, reebar, a cable that can be found on the Citadel, but in the back lies something that looks like an overturned Mako. It's safe to say that people don't agree on where it takes place.

I think she is in the london near the transport beam too. The fact that breathscene she wears full armor, and during the beam rush she wears body armor too, but after the beam hit she wears just clothes. That would indicate that it is just a dreaming and in the best destruct end, she awakes in the end.

 

So the trilogy isnt ended, or we dont know how it ended because it was a dream. Maybe some other made into beam and opened citadel and used crusible, i dont know.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I think she is in the london near the transport beam too. The fact that breathscene she wears full armor, and during the beam rush she wears body armor too, but after the beam hit she wears just clothes. That would indicate that it is just a dreaming and in the best destruct end, she awakes in the end.

 

So the trilogy isnt ended, or we dont know how it ended because it was a dream. Maybe some other made into beam and opened citadel and used crusible, i dont know.

 

No, just... no.

[Gervaise]

It is slightly odd that Shepard is shown with the N7 logo and yet this is not visible when talking with the Catalyst.  So that could indicate that everything from where you get hit by Harbinger's beam is in Shepard's mind.   That might have worked before the EC but that sort of knocked that interpretation out of the reckoning. 

 

My preference is for the bit from the elevator onwards being in Shepard's mind with the chief Reaper talking to Shepard in much the same way as Leviathan did at the bottom of the ocean.   This is why Shepard has to make a choice for anything to happen because Shepard is really the Catalyst and it is their mind that controls what form the Crucible takes.   This is why they survive the explosion because they are not really there in front of it.    There is still the problem about what happens with the other two choices if it is really in Shepard's mind as both result in disintegration of Shepard's body and death.   That Shepard dies because they have chosen that course in their mind is not difficult understand but the lack of a corpse is harder to explain.  

 

Anyway, it seems likely the breath scene takes place in the Citadel and Shepard is located in the inaccessible core, which is why it doesn't necessarily resemble any of the normal parts.   The destruction opens up the core, so it will be possible for search teams to find them.

[AlanC9]

My preference is for the bit from the elevator onwards being in Shepard's mind with the chief Reaper talking to Shepard in much the same way as Leviathan did at the bottom of the ocean.   This is why Shepard has to make a choice for anything to happen because Shepard is really the Catalyst and it is their mind that controls what form the Crucible takes.   This is why they survive the explosion because they are not really there in front of it.    There is still the problem about what happens with the other two choices if it is really in Shepard's mind as both result in disintegration of Shepard's body and death.   That Shepard dies because they have chosen that course in their mind is not difficult understand but the lack of a corpse is harder to explain.  

 

Maybe there is a corpse, then. By your theory the disintegrations only happen in Shepard's mind anyway.

[Baalzie]

I even read one where Shepard was knocked down by the red tube blast and somehow made it back to the beam and ported back to Earth.

 

 

Only problem with that is that it's one way only. As seen if you turn around and try it after landing on the Citadel after using the beam... So would have to be ported in a totally different fashion, which makes it even less likely^^

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Nowhere important.

[Ithurael]

IIRC Gambol tweeted that he was on the citadel.

[Ananka]

the question shouldn't really be 'where?' but 'when?'

 

Or "how" or "why".

 

 

I still need closure on that part of the game

[Farangbaa]

It is slightly odd that Shepard is shown with the N7 logo and yet this is not visible when talking with the Catalyst.  So that could indicate that everything from where you get hit by Harbinger's beam is in Shepard's mind.   That might have worked before the EC but that sort of knocked that interpretation out of the reckoning. 

 

My preference is for the bit from the elevator onwards being in Shepard's mind with the chief Reaper talking to Shepard in much the same way as Leviathan did at the bottom of the ocean.   This is why Shepard has to make a choice for anything to happen because Shepard is really the Catalyst and it is their mind that controls what form the Crucible takes.   This is why they survive the explosion because they are not really there in front of it.    There is still the problem about what happens with the other two choices if it is really in Shepard's mind as both result in disintegration of Shepard's body and death.   That Shepard dies because they have chosen that course in their mind is not difficult understand but the lack of a corpse is harder to explain.  

 

Anyway, it seems likely the breath scene takes place in the Citadel and Shepard is located in the inaccessible core, which is why it doesn't necessarily resemble any of the normal parts.   The destruction opens up the core, so it will be possible for search teams to find them.

 

I cannot stand you guys, seriously. You take the most ridiculous things as 'evidence' for something happening in Shepard's mind.

 

"N7 logo gone? INDOCTRINATION!!!!"

 

How do you explain Shepard standing outside the Mako to talk to Joker after landing on Virmire? Did the 'it's all in his mind'-part start there?

Or does it start when Shepard first pulls out a pistol in a cutscene in ME3 while he has none equipped?

Or maybe it all starts when Conrad Verner says I shoved a gun in his face where I actually didn't.

 

You take things that are much easier explained as bugs and/or oversights and explain them as being done on purpose.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It is slightly odd that Shepard is shown with the N7 logo and yet this is not visible when talking with the Catalyst.  So that could indicate that everything from where you get hit by Harbinger's beam is in Shepard's mind.   That might have worked before the EC but that sort of knocked that interpretation out of the reckoning. 

 

My Shepard was wearing Cerberus armor which doesn't have an N7 logo at all. In fact she hasn't really worn N7 stuff since ME1...

 

...my god.

[Han Shot First]

Shepard showing up with N7 armor, regardless of what was actually worn, does not prove IT or anything similar. The very obvious reason for this was that developers have limited resources to work with, and could not create character models or cutscenes showing every variation of armor that could be possibly worn in the game. There are times throughout the series where Shepard is shown with an Avenger or some other weapon that he or she wasn't equipped with. Does that prove IT as well?

 

The breath scene needs no interpretation. It is what it looks like.

[von uber]

The amount of stability in freecam and over detail in the final section is markedly less than other levels.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The amount of stability in freecam and over detail in the final section is markedly less than other levels.

 

It's stuff like that that makes me feel like the game, especially the end was incredably rushed. Which probably plays into why the final section is basically a grind fest as that is the easiest way to set up a final mission.

[von uber]

I'll show some of the grabs I got in the 'what I did. .' thread later.

[AlanC9]

The amount of stability in freecam and over detail in the final section is markedly less than other levels.

 

Why does freecam matter? I'm frankly surprised that any level doesn't look preposterous that way.

[von uber]

Stability in how much shep glitches and fall out rhe level when it is reenabled. It virtually never happens until the last level where it pretty much does every time.

[dorktainian]

he's either....

 

1.  in the rubble by the mako down in good old london town after getting knocked out by harbingers beam.

2.  in the rubble on the citadel after sovereign explodes.

3.  in the rubble on earth (in the commitee room) when the reapers attack.

4.  he never existed and is really Jokers alter ego. 

[Han Shot First]

he's either....

 

1.  in the rubble by the mako down in good old london town after getting knocked out by harbingers beam.

2.  in the rubble on the citadel after sovereign explodes.

3.  in the rubble on earth (in the commitee room) when the reapers attack.

4.  he never existed and is really Jokers alter ego. 

 

Or far more likely...

 

5. On the Citadel after shooting the tube.