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[cap and gown]

The bullpup design of the Vindicator is much better looking than Separd's signature weapon. Heck, lots of the guns out there are better looking, like the Valkyrie or the Phaeston.

 

Why is Shepard's signature weapon the worst weapon in the game? (Unless you want to say the Lancer counts as a signature weapon.)

 

What is it about BW art designers and double barrels? They can't even decide which barrel is actually firing the projectiles.

 

Relatedly, do BW art designers have a phallic hangup? They take a purely agrarian colony like Eden Prime and plant the big tall spires all over the place. Nobody in their right mind builds skyscrapers when there is that much land available.

 

[Br3admax]

How are we supposed to answer a question about your opinion of what a gun should look like? 

[Astartes Marine]

The bullpup design of the Vindicator

I don't think you quite understand what "bullpup" means.  Bullpup weapons feature the magazines / breech / bolt / etc behind the trigger group so the stock isn't just the stock, it'll be a stock with all those parts integrated into it so the overall firearm length is shorter.

 

First video-game related examples that came to mind were Halo's Assault and Battle Rifles, both bullpup designs.  The Vindicator...is not. 

 

 

 

Heck, lots of the guns out there are better looking, like the Valkyrie or the Phaeston.

 

Why is Shepard's signature weapon the worst weapon in the game? (Unless you want to say the Lancer counts as a signature weapon.)

Subjective and can be argued, personally I found the Phaeston to be a visually clunky looking and rather overly large for an assault rifle.  The Valkyrie...well I'll give you that, it's a smooth looking AR.  Fun fact, it's a trumped up version of the Avenger and if I'm not mistaken I believe the Alliance was eventually going to phase that in and the Avenger out as the new standard infantry rifle.

 

 

 

What is it about BW art designers and double barrels? They can't even decide which barrel is actually firing the projectiles.

 

I've always assumed the underbarrel on the Lancer/Avenger was for powers like Carnage/Conc. Shot.  Either that or an alternating fire system; one barrel fires a shot then cools while the other barrel fires the next shot and so on.

[cap and gown]

I've always assumed the underbarrel on the Lancer/Avenger was for powers like Carnage/Conc. Shot.  Either that or an alternating fire system; one barrel fires a shot then cools while the other barrel fires the next shot and so on.

 

Its not just the Lancer/Avenger, though. The Predator, Valkyrie, Vindicator, and many others have that double barrel design. At least the Phaeston has a single barrel, with the over/under parts looking like they serve a support role.

[crimzontearz]

That is because a double barrel makes sense for a rail gun (which most ME weapons are....read the codex)

[cap and gown]

That is because a double barrel makes sense for a rail gun (which most ME weapons are....read the codex)

 

 

That would make sense if they looked like the guns pictured, or like the Collector Assault Rifle. But they don't. The Phaeston makes it look like the upper and lower structures are part of the accelerator mechanism, not so with the Avenger, Valkyrie or Predator. The second barrel on the Valkyrie looks like one of the recoil mechanisms you see on large artillery pieces.

[crimzontearz]

That would make sense if they looked like the guns pictured, or like the Collector Assault Rifle. But they don't. The Phaeston makes it look like the upper and lower structures are part of the accelerator mechanism, not so with the Avenger, Valkyrie or Predator. The second barrel on the Valkyrie looks like one of the recoil mechanisms you see on large artillery pieces.

the lower barrel seems to have a mag rod sticking out above it and a large heavily armored mechanism under it.

the top barrel could be simply for heat venting (notice the vent ports)


this one....no idea....

[Prizrak232]

the lower barrel seems to have a mag rid sticking out above it and a large heavily armired mechanism under it.

the top barrel could be simply for heat venting (notice the vent ports)

this one....no idea....

 

 What you said about the upper barrel being for heat venting on the Avenger makes sense, and also I quite like the look of the Avenger. Also I believe the second barrel on the Valkyrie may be for its two shot burst mechanism it may fire two shots from a different barrel instead of two from the same. But that is just my humble opinion.

[crimzontearz]

Yes and in all cut scenes the muzzle flash comes from the bottom barrel

[Sir DeLoria]

I love the design of the Quarian weapons, the Revenant, Widow, Paladin, Valkyrie, Scimitar, Supressor, Wraith, Viper, Krysae and Phaeston are very nice as well.

Other than that, while I think most ME weapons are pretty exotic, many of them are incredibly ugly.

[cap and gown]

I love the design of the Quarian weapons, the Revenant, Widow, Paladin, Valkyrie, Scimitar, Supressor, Wraith, Viper, Krysae and Phaeston are very nice as well.

Other than that, while I think most ME weapons are pretty exotic, many of them are incredibly ugly.

 

 

Many of the sniper rifles look quite nice, though I think the Mantis is rather ugly.

[Massa FX]

I don't care if the weapon is ugly. I only care about its potency and lethality. I don't need to see beauty in a weapon.

[DeinonSlayer]

I think one of the barrels was supposed to be a laser rangefinder to help the internal VI with targeting. Read that somewhere on these boards.

[DeinonSlayer]

I love the design of the Quarian weapons, the Revenant, Widow, Paladin, Valkyrie, Scimitar, Supressor, Wraith, Viper, Krysae and Phaeston are very nice as well.

Other than that, while I think most ME weapons are pretty exotic, many of them are incredibly ugly.

Does anyone else find the weapons that need to charge then fire when you release the trigger (ex: Kishok and the one shooting exploding holographic discs) wildly impractical?

[ImaginaryMatter]

I thought the two barrel design existed because they wanted their guns to look future-y and didn't put much thought into them after that?

 

Personally, I just assumed that the guns fired alternating between barrels for the rapid firing weapons (Assault Rifles and Pistols [back in ME1]) which is why the Sniper Rifles and Shotguns don't have them.

[cap and gown]

Does anyone else find the weapons that need to charge then fire when you release the trigger (ex: Kishok and the one shooting exploding holographic discs) wildly impractical?

 

I have felt that way. Indeed, I would say if the Pentagon came out with a weapon like that it would be because some procurement officer was looking for a cush job with a defense contractor when he retired. "Hey, this is a totally impractical design, but I'm set for life if I can get the Army to agree to buy it!"

 

Edit: well, except for the Venom. Man I love that gun and will easily put up with the charging. Of course, the great thing about the Venom is you don't actually have to hit your target to kill it.

[CrutchCricket]

Are we really arguing about the aesthetics of the default weapon?

 

I wouldn't care if the Avenger looked like it fired shurikens and lightning (unless it actually did), every time Shepard's holding/firing it uselessly while his much better Black Widow X or PPR hangs impotently on his back I am not amused.

 

Also default=/=signature.

 

But in the spirit of friendly conversation, I don't have a problem with any gun's appearance. The only ridiculous looking guns are SMGs held like pistols.

[CrutchCricket]

Does anyone else find the weapons that need to charge then fire when you release the trigger (ex: Kishok and the one shooting exploding holographic discs) wildly impractical?

 

You don't need to charge the Kishock. Or the Chakram launcher though I could be wrong about that. And there's nothing impractical about a gun that can do both. The only charge only gun is the Acolyte.

[cap and gown]

But in the spirit of friendly conversation, I don't have a problem with any gun's appearance. The only ridiculous looking guns are SMGs held like pistols.

 

Yeah. That is kind of stupid, especially with a gun like the Hurricane or Locust.

[cap and gown]

You don't need to charge the Kishock. Or the Chakram launcher though I could be wrong about that. And there's nothing impractical about a gun that can do both. The only charge only gun is the Acolyte.

 

I think he is referring to the "release to fire" mechanic more than the charging itself. "Release to fire" is nuts for practical applications.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think he is referring to the "release to fire" mechanic more than the charging itself. "Release to fire" is nuts for practical applications.

 

Must be a Batarian thing.

[Han Shot First]

I had always assumed that the second barrel was used for concussive shot or carnage, but I also like Astartes Marine's suggestion that the weapon alternates barrels to aid in cooling.

 

Fun Fact: The high rate and sustained fire of machine guns can actually overheat and melt the rifling inside the barrels. To avoid this problem, a hot barrel can be easily be swapped out in the field for a spare carried by either the gunner or the assistant gunner.

 

Modern assault rifles don't use spare barrels because often unlike machine guns they aren't fully automatic, and even when they are, they are using 30 round magazines rather than 200 round drum or belt of ammunition. They don't have the same problems with overheating as machine guns.

 

In the Mass Effect universe however ammunition seems limitless compared to modern weapons, because the projectiles are the size of a grain of sand and being propelled by mass accelerators. With the size of the ammunition reduced presumably the assault rifles would be able to sustain automatic fire for longer periods than modern assault rifles. Maybe like with modern machine guns, overheating in the barrels then becomes an issue, with some designs using a built in spare barrel to address it. 

 

[themikefest]

 

Fun Fact: The high rate and sustained fire of machine guns can actually overheat and melt the rifling inside the barrels. To avoid this problem, a hot barrel can be easily be swapped out in the field for a spare carried by either the gunner or the assistant gunner.

 

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That has happened to me using the M60 machine gun on the firing range. And having spare barrels helps.

[Han Shot First]

That has happened to me using the M60 machine gun on the firing range. And having spare barrels helps.

 

Never had that happen but I had a runaway gun once while firing the MK-19 on the range. Getting to burn though an entire belt of 40mm grenades in one go was pretty sweet.

[Reorte]

I think he is referring to the "release to fire" mechanic more than the charging itself. "Release to fire" is nuts for practical applications.

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