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[Xilizhra]

I think that DAO had a different vision of the Circle than every game thereafter, including DAA, possessed. I say this because the mage boon where the Circle is freed was presented as a legitimate request and not a crazy, no-way-at-all one as it seemed to have been presented later on with developer comments about it; ultimately, it seemed like the relationship between the Circle and Chantry was supposed to a bit more equalized and give-and-take than what it ended up being in later media that came afterwards. Given that the portrayal of the Circle in Asunder more or less matches that in DA2, I'm fairly sure that that's the current model of canon far more than DAO.

[AresKeith]

I'm fairly sure that that's the current model of canon far more than DAO.

 

Ummm not really 

[caradoc2000]

Tension between the chantry and the mages creates more opportunities for dramatic storytelling than the "and they all lived happily ever after" (which is why fairy tales end with that and you never see the alimony battles between Snow White and the numerous dwarves).

[Xilizhra]

Tension between the chantry and the mages creates more opportunities for dramatic storytelling than the "and they all lived happily ever after" (which is why fairy tales end with that and you never see the alimony battles between Snow White and the numerous dwarves).

Indeed. Apparently the writers realized they made the ending of DAO too happy.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Just because the mage boon didn't happen doesn't mean the rest of the circle related content of DAO was wrong. Witch Hunt didn't seem like the circle was all that bad either and that was right before DA2 hit I believe.

[AresKeith]

Not every Circle is going to be the same, DA2 showed that both factions can be at their worst

 

DAO's Circle showed that they can cooperate for the most part

[Cainhurst Crow]

Indeed. Apparently the writers realized they made the ending of DAO too happy.

Well it ended how a dark fantasy should end, unlike that posser sunshine and rainbows dark fantasy game of thrones ended.

[renfrees]

Well it ended how a dark fantasy should end, unlike that posser sunshine and rainbows dark fantasy game of thrones ended.

Game of Thrones hasn't ended.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Game of Thrones hasn't ended.

 

Technically it has, while the story was continued in Clash of Kings, Storm of Swords, Feast of Crows, and Dance with Dragons, the story contained within the game of thrones book ended on a rather dark note, keeping to the dark fantasy world it created. Of course the series kept the name game of thrones because, honestly, it'd be crazy to change a television shows name after every season.

[LobselVith8]

Indeed. Apparently the writers realized they made the ending of DAO too happy.

It's also to accommodate the storyline in Dragon Age II. Why would apostate Hawke or Bethany stay in Kirkwall (the center of power for templars over eastern Thedas) if Ferelden supports openly autonomy for the Circle?

There have also been rectons surrounding the Circles of Magi - the shifting number of Circles in Ferelden (from one to two) and throughout Thedas (from thirteen to fifteen). It's clear the story is changing, so I suppose it's not surprising that the direction shifted since Origins concluded.

There's also the changes involved with the Magi Boon - Cullen losing his mind because the mages were freed, and the absence of an independent Circle of Magi in Orzammar. The first was rectonned in Dragon Age II, but the latter has yet to be explained. If the Magi Boon didn't happen, why didn't a free Circle form in Orzammar, then?

[Xilizhra]

Just because the mage boon didn't happen doesn't mean the rest of the circle related content of DAO was wrong. Witch Hunt didn't seem like the circle was all that bad either and that was right before DA2 hit I believe.

Wrong is a harsh word. Misleading would be more accurate. What happened in Ferelden was apparently less typical than what happened in Kirkwall.

[AresKeith]

Wrong is a harsh word. Misleading would be more accurate. What happened in Ferelden was apparently less typical than what happened in Kirkwall.

 

Because not every Circle is the same

[Veruin]

Because not every Circle is the same

A fact that the devs try to say many times, but a lot of people ignore it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

We'll likely find out which is more closer to the norm when inquisition comes out.

[EmissaryofLies]

Indeed.

[Xilizhra]

Because not every Circle is the same

Indeed. Ferelden being the outlier.

[dragonflight288]

Indeed. Ferelden being the outlier.

 

Rivain should also be considered. There's no way the local chantry didn't know that the mages mingled with their families and practiced the traditions of the Seers. 

[AresKeith]

Indeed. Ferelden being the outlier.

 

We don't know what the norm is for the Circles, for all we know Ferelden could be one the closest to the norm and Kirkwall obviously being the worst

[LobselVith8]

Just because the mage boon didn't happen doesn't mean the rest of the circle related content of DAO was wrong. Witch Hunt didn't seem like the circle was all that bad either and that was right before DA2 hit I believe.

I don't think people rebelled against or fled the Circle because it was an idyllic paradise. Even the mage protagonist can express it's "an oppressive place", and instead of trying to dispute this, Wynne encourages that The Warden can change this by returning to the Circle as a leader, and even admitting that this is her dream.

[EmissaryofLies]

Hoping to relocate the current circle system to Belize.

[Veruin]

We don't know what the norm is for the Circles, for all we know Ferelden could be one the closest to the norm and Kirkwall obviously being the worst

You forget Xil's headcanon supercedes all.

[LobselVith8]

You forget Xil's headcanon supercedes all.

I wouldn't consider the Circle of Ferelden ideal. Being able to make someone tranquil without providing any evidence to the First Enchanter is horrifying.

[Veruin]

I wouldn't consider the Circle of Ferelden ideal. Being able to make someone tranquil without providing any evidence to the First Enchanter is horrifying.

I didn't say it was ideal.

 

But the fact that Xil knows it's an outlier despite only seeing 2 out of the 13 or so circles there are?

 

It is just maddening.

[AresKeith]

I wouldn't consider the Circle of Ferelden ideal. Being able to make someone tranquil without providing any evidence to the First Enchanter is horrifying.

 

If you're talking about Jowan then the First Enchanter agreed to it

[Frybread76]

If you're talking about Jowan then the First Enchanter agreed to it

But there was no substantial evidence except for eyewitness testimony, right?