I didn't say it was ideal.
But the fact that Xil knows it's an outlier despite only seeing 2 out of the 13 or so circles there are?
It is just maddening.
Well, of those Circles, one was the home Circle with the greatest Chantry oversight. Which generally gives you a decent idea of what the Chantry sees as ideal.
Well, of those Circles, one was the home Circle with the greatest Chantry oversight. Which generally gives you a decent idea of what the Chantry sees as ideal.
And given what happened in Kirkwall which caused more tension, I doubt that what happened in Asunder was all that norm
But there was no substantial evidence except for eyewitness testimony, right?
And given what happened in Kirkwall which caused more tension, I doubt that what happened in Asunder was all that norm
Tension that the Divine was allegedly trying to diffuse?
Tension that the Divine was allegedly trying to diffuse?
Doesn't change the fact that there was tension that lead to problems, plus the whole Cole business
Doesn't change the fact that there was tension that lead to problems, plus the whole Cole business
Tension is everpresent. I certainly felt it even in DAO's Circle.
Tension that the Divine was allegedly trying to diffuse?
In that regard, it kind of backfired.
Tension is everpresent. I certainly felt it even in DAO's Circle.
Back then though, it wasn't nearly as palpable or obvious, at least in my opinion. Whereas in DA2 you were smacked in the face with it.
Tension is everpresent. I certainly felt it even in DAO's Circle.
Of course there is always tension but atleast the DAO's Circle was tame and after the what happened in Kirkwall do you really expect the tension to not get worse
Back then though, it wasn't nearly as palpable or obvious, at least in my opinion. Whereas in DA2 you were smacked in the face with it.
I don't know; the notion that you could be snatched up at any moment and have your mind practically erased, as well as the feeling of constant surveillance in general, were pretty bad. It felt like Irving was putting on a somewhat thin front of cheeriness regarding being in the Circle in general; the two most prevailing emotions seemed to be resignation and fear in various forms, if you look closely.
Of course there is always tension but atleast the DAO's Circle was tame and after the what happened in Kirkwall do you really expect the tension to not get worse
I'd expect the Chantry to try to make up for a clearly insane Annulment declared in response to the actions of an apostate.
I don't think people rebelled against or fled the Circle because it was an idyllic paradise. Even the mage protagonist can express it's "an oppressive place", and instead of trying to dispute this, Wynne encourages that The Warden can change this by returning to the Circle as a leader, and even admitting that this is her dream.
The only reason they're fleeing in the first place was because one of the top representatives for one of the largest fraternities was framed for murder by one of the fringe fraternities representatives, and it resulted in the vote coming down to one traumatized, emotionally manipulated, boy.
I wouldn't consider the Circle of Ferelden ideal. Being able to make someone tranquil without providing any evidence to the First Enchanter is horrifying.
First enchanter approved the tranquiling, and found the book on blood magic jowan learned from. And more to the point, the first enchanter and knight commander were 100% right about him. He was, unequivocally, a blood mage and had broken circle law.
The only reason they're fleeing in the first place was because one of the top representatives for one of the largest fraternities was framed for murder by one of the fringe fraternities representatives, and it resulted in the vote coming down to one traumatized, emotionally manipulated, boy.
Boy? He was in his thirties, at least, and already knew how he'd been framed; if his emotions would push him anywhere, it'd be against Adrian, not with her.
And the Libertarians aren't "fringe." I think they're the second largest fraternity, actually (Lucrosians and Isolationists are smallest).
Irving admits he didn't know about any of the evidence first-hand; it's all "Greagoir says", so he's effectively out of the loop. Irving also admits he wouldn't proceed with Jowan's Rite of Tranquility it was up to him; he cautions that life in the Circle is a matter of survival.
He also said to let jowan smash the phelactaries because it would embarrass the knight commander. So let's not pretend irving was this innocent old man who was strong armed into doing stuff by mean old templars. Dude was just as crooked, maybe more so.
Irving admits he didn't know about any of the evidence first-hand; it's all "Greagoir says", so he's effectively out of the loop. Irving also admits he wouldn't proceed with Jowan's Rite of Tranquility it was up to him; he cautions that life in the Circle is a matter of survival.
Boy? He was in his thirties, at least, and already knew how he'd been framed; if his emotions would push him anywhere, it'd be against Adrian, not with her.
And the Libertarians aren't "fringe." I think they're the second largest fraternity, actually (Lucrosians and Isolationists are smallest).
With how he acted and handled the situation, I think calling him a boy, or child, or punk, would be an apt description.
The only reason they're fleeing in the first place was because one of the top representatives for one of the largest fraternities was framed for murder by one of the fringe fraternities representatives, and it resulted in the vote coming down to one traumatized, emotionally manipulated, boy.
With how he acted and handled the situation, I think calling him a boy, or child, or punk, would be an apt description.
Odd opinion, but I suppose you're entitled to that.
First enchanter approved the tranquiling, and found the book on blood magic jowan learned from. And more to the point, the first enchanter and knight commander were 100% right about him. He was, unequivocally, a blood mage and had broken circle law.
Mages were fleeing from the Circles for centuries; it's why they have the term 'apostate'. For example, Aneirin fled the Circle of Ferelden as a boy, and was nearly killed by the templars, until the Dalish found him and saved his life.
Well one has to question why they would run away when so many others didn't, or tried. And I really doubt Aneirin would have been killed, maybe he thought he would being a young and impressionable kid, but clearly that wouldn't have happened and he would have been taken back to the circle and faced reasonable punishment.
How do I know this? Simple, precedent. Anders escaped the circle 6 times and was still alive on his latest attempt, his 7th. That's when you find him in the keep. He wasn't made tranquil, and he wasn't executed on the spot, he was punished, harsher and harsher because he broke the law repeatedly. In my country we have a 3 strike penalty for repeat offenders so I see the circles and incredibly lenient. Maybe Aneirin's age may have played a factor into it, who knows? Point is, you make it sound a lot worse then the reality.
Boy? He was in his thirties, at least, and already knew how he'd been framed; if his emotions would push him anywhere, it'd be against Adrian, not with her.
And the Libertarians aren't "fringe." I think they're the second largest fraternity, actually (Lucrosians and Isolationists are smallest).
Cole has the mind of a child, so it is appropriate to call him a boy
Well one has to question why they would run away when so many others didn't, or tried. And I really doubt Aneirin would have been killed, maybe he thought he would being a young and impressionable kid, but clearly that wouldn't have happened and he would have been taken back to the circle and faced reasonable punishment.
How do I know this? Simple, precedent. Anders escaped the circle 6 times and was still alive on his latest attempt, his 7th. That's when you find him in the keep. He wasn't made tranquil, and he wasn't executed on the spot, he was punished, harsher and harsher because he broke the law repeatedly. In my country we have a 3 strike penalty for repeat offenders so I see the circles and incredibly lenient. Maybe Aneirin's age may have played a factor into it, who knows? Point is, you make it sound a lot worse then the reality.
It's illegal for Harrowed mages to be made Tranquil. If Aneirin hadn't experienced that, which I don't think he did, he'd probably be doomed.
It's illegal for Harrowed mages to be made Tranquil. If Aneirin hadn't experienced that, which I don't think he did, he'd probably be doomed.
Well that's just it, wynne's very vague in talking about aneirin and aneirin doesn't elaborate either, so really it's a question left up in the air. Might he have been a harrowed mage starting his actual apprenticeship or simply a mage in training still taking group classes.
Well that's just it, wynne's very vague in talking about aneirin and aneirin doesn't elaborate either, so really it's a question left up in the air. Might he have been a harrowed mage starting his actual apprenticeship or simply a mage in training still taking group classes.
The Harrowing marks the end of apprenticeship; that's why you get new robes, a staff and a ring. If he's an apprentice, by definition he hasn't been Harrowed.
Well one has to question why they would run away when so many others didn't, or tried.
And I really doubt Aneirin would have been killed, maybe he thought he would being a young and impressionable kid, but clearly that wouldn't have happened and he would have been taken back to the circle and faced reasonable punishment.
How do I know this? Simple, precedent. Anders escaped the circle 6 times and was still alive on his latest attempt, his 7th.
That's when you find him in the keep. He wasn't made tranquil, and he wasn't executed on the spot, he was punished, harsher and harsher because he broke the law repeatedly. In my country we have a 3 strike penalty for repeat offenders so I see the circles and incredibly lenient. Maybe Aneirin's age may have played a factor into it, who knows? Point is, you make it sound a lot worse then the reality.
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