Yet you have repeatedly ignored that some mages prefer it to death or being hunted by demons when they sleep because it goes against your morallity and neither the City Elf or Casteless Warden can contest his/her imprisonment nor can the farmer who steals food or female soldier who deserts in Awakening mages are far from the only ones to get a raw deal in Thedas.
I think being an emotionless thrall is slightly different than being imprisoned.
I think being an emotionless thrall is slightly different than being imprisoned.
Depends on the prison.
I think being an emotionless thrall is slightly different than being imprisoned.
I wouldn't refer to thinking, living beings as thralls either.
I wouldn't refer to thinking, living beings as thralls either.
Indeed, that's just insulting
I think being an emotionless thrall is slightly different than being imprisoned.
I think being an emotionless thrall is slightly different than being imprisoned.
Hey, Vulcans strive to become emotionless thralls!
I know, I know, offtopic *crawls back to her hole*
I wouldn't refer to thinking, living beings as thralls either.
Karl viewed tranquility as precisely that when he begged Anders to kill him, since he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.
Karl viewed tranquility as precisely that when he begged Anders to kill him, since he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.
Again you keep using Kirkwall as if it's the only example and as the norm, which it isn't
Karl viewed tranquility as precisely that when he begged Anders to kill him, since he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.
Karl viewed tranquility as precisely that when he begged Anders to kill him, since he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.
Owain and Orana however thought the opposite...
Again you keep using Kirkwall as if it's the only example and as the norm, which it isn't
Karl viewed tranquility as precisely that when he begged Anders to kill him, since he didn't want to be a "templar puppet" anymore.
Had he been "cured" how i loath to say that, of tranquility for however long it took be to free of the "side effects" and still harbored that opinion when it was unbiased and free of emotional unstability, perhaps it would have merit
While other people don't, and during the time of the Chantry controlled Circle (before the vote of separation), it's existence precluded a person even having the right to contest it. That's part of what I find so horrific about it, and why I'd never endorse it's use.
The use of the Rite of Tranquility against living people, both willing and unwilling, is part of what I take into consideration with the Chantry controlled Circles.
The tevinter imperium has tranquil, and they aren't controlled by the chantry. In fact, it is the chantry who are controlled by the circle there, and still you have that and the right of annulment.
So tell me again, why you only take umbridge with the "chantry controlled" circle when the non-chantry controlled circle still practices it as well.
Indeed, that's just insulting
Considering Alrik used the the Rite of Tranquility procedure to rape women because of how it fundamentally changed them and made them compliant to his orders, you're inclined to find my opposition to the Rite (and it's effects on the individual) "insulting", but that doesn't alter how monstrous I find it to be.
Again you keep using Kirkwall as if it's the only example and as the norm, which it isn't
Considering Alrik used the the Rite of Tranquility procedure to rape women because of how it fundamentally changed them and made them compliant to his orders, you're inclined to find my opposition to the Rite (and it's effects on the individual) "insulting", but that doesn't alter how monstrous I find it to be.
Actually, I'm addressing the nature of tranquility, which seems to be conveniently ignored by certain posters who would, apparently, prefer to change the goalpost of the discussion currently at hand.
1. Considering that you keep using Alrik which everyone already acknowledge and both countered that it's abuse of authority and power not the Rite itself hurts your argument each time you do it. No matter how monstrous you find it to be it's necessary unless a new method is found
2. Which no one but you seem to be doing. You aren't addressing the nature because if you truly are you wouldn't be using Kirkwall which was meant to show the worst of both sides, not the norm or nature
Owain and Orana however thought the opposite...
Owan discovered a magical barrier during a crisis of abominations and possessed templars attacking everyone in their path, he decided not to inform the mage on the other side that he was there, and then he returned to the storeroom to clean instead of hiding where he would be safe. Owain isn't the best example of how well the tranquil operate independently; it's a miracle that he's even alive.
Just one of many reasons why I find tranquility to be abhorrent.
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I don't want to get involved here, but I didn't know that Tranquil still had free will (per the writer, so I'm going with it). My question, purely for curiosity and not to stir the pot, is why does Karl act like he does if he retains free will? Is it that without an emotional attachment to Anders or feelings for anything, he feels it is best (most logical) to turn him over to the templars? It's an interesting train of thought that I didn't know existed so I'm just curious.
The tevinter imperium has tranquil, and they aren't controlled by the chantry. In fact, it is the chantry who are controlled by the circle there, and still you have that and the right of annulment.
So tell me again, why you only take umbridge with the "chantry controlled" circle when the non-chantry controlled circle still practices it as well.
I addressed the Chantry controlled Circles because it's uncertain what the mages of the autonomous or dissolved Circles will do about the Rite of Tranquility now that they aren't beholden to the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars; that's why I tried to address it as separate from when the Circles voted to emancipate themselves from the Chantry. I wasn't implying that my perception of tranquility would shift if the perpetrators of the Rite were different people.
Regardless of the tonal shift in the presentation of the Circles, I abhor the Rite of Tranquility, and I wouldn't endorse it's use by anyone.
I find it difficult to believe that the abuse of authority begins and ends in Kirkwall. If it can happen in Kirkwall it can happen in any of the other circles. That is the issue. That is the problem. Fereldan can be just like Kirkwall or even worse, all you need do is replace the KC with a Meredith. To fix this glaring flaw you would need the seekers to actually do their damned jobs, but I digress. Tranquility is disgusting and it will not stop being so simply because it's easy to excuse as 'necessary'.
I find it difficult to believe that the abuse of authority begins and ends in Kirkwall. If it can happen in Kirkwall it can happen in any of the other circles. That is the issue. That is the problem. Fereldan can be just like Kirkwall or even worse, all you need do is replace the KC with a Meredith. To fix this glaring flaw you would need the seekers to actually do their damned jobs, but I digress. Tranquility is disgusting and it will not stop being so simply because it's easy to excuse as 'necessary'.
And? Only two 2 templars were abusing in kirkwall so what is point that if 2 peoples are corrupted organsiation is bad?
And? Only two 2 templars were abusing in kirkwall so what is point that if 2 peoples are corrupted organsiation is bad?
Blatantly false.
Blatantly false.
So perhaps you will point who was abusing? besides arlik and karras. 
So perhaps you will point who was abusing? besides arlik and karras.
Besides the near platoon of templars with them in gameplay? And the ones with Alrik in the cutscenes? And Meredith? And the templars who sat by and allowed these individuals to do what they do? Kirkwall is filled to the brim with abuse. Even their own men are not always safe, Samson for example. But I'm not getting into this. I stand by what I say and there's no room for interpretation when it comes to tranquil happy Templars and templars who stand by and do nothing about it.
Besides the near platoon of templars with them in gameplay? And the ones with Alrik in the cutscenes? And Meredith? And the templars who sat by and allowed these individuals to do what they do? Kirkwall is filled to the brim with abuse. Even their own men are not always safe, Samson for example. But I'm not getting into this. I stand by what I say and there's no room for interpretation when it comes to tranquil happy Templars and templars who stand by and do nothing about it.
Not rly? First there isn't any indication that templars who were hunting mages with karras were corru[ted they were doing their job and what karras was doing was up to him not peoples that were with him during job.With alrik i can agree they seem to know what alrik was doing but still doesn't change fact it was still few templars among hundreds so no it isn't even medium level of corruption... Meredith weren't abusing anyone unless that you think locking in their luxury rooms is abuse then almost every partent that send their children to their room is abusive parent...
In police it is common as well but i don't see anyone is crying because of that besides they didn't had to know about that as well policeman don't have to know that other policeman is corrupted...
"Kirkwall is filled to the brim with abuse" only in your imagination as i said alrik and karras are only examples of abuse in kikrwall circle rest is in your head...
As far i renember samson was kicked out for helping mages he was dangerous for society because of that sadly they didn't same with thrask then we would avoid abomnations roaming around kirkwall because such stupid and naive templars...
lmfao, almost every word of that is demonstrably wrong. First, I already proved your 'only two templars were abusive' claim as blantantly false. Second, negligence is also a form of abuse. Samson was thrown out of the order and to the wolves for delivering a love letter. That's the extent of his heinous crimes. Did we even play the same game?
****** poor and dishonest defense.
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