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[Veruin]

Kinda sad for all mages if the best example of a Mage any one can come up with is Anders

 

The best examples of mages typically include - Malcolm, Wynne, and Bethany.  (I think.)

I've yet to see anyone say Anders is the best mage.

[LobselVith8]

Only Raijin can outdo Rassler in Terms of Anders.

I think this is supposed to be a thread that theorizes on the leadership of the templars. I don't recall Anders being pertinent to the original post.

[renfrees]

I could never understand why we could kick Anders off after attempt to slay/slaying unknown mage, but couldn't do the same after he lied us in the face and made us involved into some sinister plot against Chantry. If anything, "Justice" should've been his 2nd crisis point, when in fact it just slips through as if nothing happened.

[Lulupab]

I think this is supposed to be a thread that theorizes on the leadership of the templars. I don't recall Anders being pertinent to the original post.

 

They always do that when I post, don't mind them Apparently liking Anders discredits all I say so everything leads to him.

[Veruin]

I could never understand why we could kick Anders off after attempt to slay/slaying unknown mage, but couldn't do the same after he lied us in the face and made us involved into some sinister plot against Chantry. If anything, Justice should've been his 2nd crisis point, when in fact it just slips through as if nothing happened.

If you're talking about the kill him or not choice after the chantry is destroyed...you can tell him to leave if you spare him and he does.

 

 

They always do that when I post, don't mind them   Apparently liking Anders discredits all I say so everything leads to him.

Your bias is what discredits you.  Not the fact you like Anders.

[Lulupab]

I could never understand why we could kick Anders off after attempt to slay/slaying unknown mage, but couldn't do the same after he lied us in the face and made us involved into some sinister plot against Chantry. If anything, "Justice" should've been his 2nd crisis point, when in fact it just slips through as if nothing happened.

 

That's just bad writing.

[dragonflight288]

 
I don't remember anyone coming up with "Anders is best mage".
 
Anders is ready to pay for what he did, however Hawke wants him to. Regardless of his stance with Hawke he fully acknowledges that his actions were murder, and were morally contemptible, and that justice was required of him for what he did. 

 

This is true. He was more than willing to be executed for his actions. Which is more than Adrian in Asunder can say.

 

Before anyone jumps on me, I executed Anders in just about every one of my playthroughs. And I think of Malcolm Hawke, Bethany, Irving, Wynne and Finn to be better people than Anders. People who just happen to be mages. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

You know the templars could just elect a new leader if Lambert is really dead. It's not like they can't cooperate unlike the dalish (clans fight a lot thats in the coded). Assuming there isn't some rising stars in the templars from battle situations, like how some people have in historical wars.

[dragonflight288]

You know the templars could just elect a new leader if Lambert is really dead. It's not like they can't cooperate unlike the dalish (clans fight a lot thats in the coded). Assuming there isn't some rising stars in the templars from battle situations, like how some people have in historical wars.

 

That won't work since the Divine appoints Seekers, often from templars. If Justinia still lives, she can just appoint a new Lord High Seeker. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

 
I don't remember anyone coming up with "Anders is best mage".
 
Anders is ready to pay for what he did, however Hawke wants him to. Regardless of his stance with Hawke he fully acknowledges that his actions were murder, and were morally contemptible, and that justice was required of him for what he did. 

 

Neither did I, I just meant the one people frequently associate with 'Equality for Mages' movement (I Just reread my own post, I guest I should do that before posting it)

 

But there is a difference , If Anders was a friend he viewed himself as a Martyr, ready to die for doing the right thing. However if he is a RIval you can make him realize that it was just an act of terrorism and it had no point just cold blooded murder.

[Veruin]

That won't work since the Divine appoints Seekers, often from templars. If Justinia still lives, she can just appoint a new Lord High Seeker. 

If the Templars seperated from the chantry, why would they care who Justina appoints?

[LobselVith8]

This is true. He was more than willing to be executed for his actions. Which is more than Adrian in Asunder can say.

After what Anders endured in the Circle and losing his first love Karl to tranquility, I think he was driven to abolish a system that he vehemently condemned as slavery. I think it's a murky situation, because of the plight faced by mages.

As for the templars who serve Lambert's goal, I think their primary concern is the autonomous mages.

Before anyone jumps on me, I executed Anders in just about every one of my playthroughs. And I think of Malcolm Hawke, Bethany, Irving, Wynne and Finn to be better people than Anders. People who just happen to be mages.

The best? You forgot Merrill.

[Xilizhra]

Interestingly, people seem to prefer talking about Anders more than templars.

 

Anyway. My guess is that templar leadership will be a shattered mess, with the Reds scooping up plenty of them and the remainder who don't want to go back to the Chantry just fighting their own individual battles as best they can.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

dragonflight288, on 13 Mar 2014 - 10:47 PM, said

Before anyone jumps on me, I executed Anders in just about every one of my playthroughs. And I think of Malcolm Hawke, Bethany, Irving, Wynne and Finn to be betterpeople than Anders. People who just happen to be mages.

 

The best? You forgot Merrill.

 

WHAT? Oh right, Sarcasm.

[Master Warder Z_]

That won't work since the Divine appoints Seekers, often from templars. If Justinia still lives, she can just appoint a new Lord High Seeker. 

 

For an Organization that more or less declared Independence?

 

I don't see how that works personally.

 

Given we only have one confirmed possible Seeker for the upcoming Game and Lambert had two others.

 

Numerically it seems more broke away then remained

[Lulupab]

 

If you're talking about the kill him or not choice after the chantry is destroyed...you can tell him to leave if you spare him and he does.

 

 

Your bias is what discredits you.  Not the fact you like Anders.

 

 

Even when I have "bias" I always mention its an speculation. I don't see anything wrong in favoring one side on a speculation as its mere guessing and not a fact. having bias on facts is a bad thing.

 

Also you guys do bring Anders out of nowhere when I post. You just do that. YOU bring him in into irrelevant threads.

[renfrees]

 

If you're talking about the kill him or not choice after the chantry is destroyed...you can tell him to leave if you spare him and he does.

 

No, i mean remove him upon "Justice" completion (we can confront him, but not kick) from the available companions list, like we can after "Dissent".

[LobselVith8]

Your bias is what discredits you. Not the fact you like Anders.

In a thread asking for opinions about who might fill the power vacuum in Lambert's absense, I don't see how his views on Anders really matter.

[dragonflight288]

For an Organization that more or less declared Independence?

 

I don't see how that works personally.

 

Given we only have one confirmed possible Seeker for the upcoming Game and Lambert had two others.

 

Numerically it seems more broke away then remained

 

Cassandra and others seem to still follow the Chantry, at least at present as Inquisition isn't out yet. If Justinia plays her cards right, all the templars and seekers who left the chantry will lose any and all legitimacy.

[Master Warder Z_]

Cassandra and others seem to still follow the Chantry, at least at present as Inquisition isn't out yet. If Justinia plays her cards right, all the templars and seekers who left the chantry will lose any and all legitimacy.

 

Assuming Justina actually speaks for the Chantry, and not merely herself like i have said before.

 

The Chantry may or may not be intact as an Institution as of DAI, We will see.

[LobselVith8]

WHAT? Oh right, Sarcasm.

About Merrill being a great person? Not even a little bit.

Speaking of a Dalish mage, I suppose the myriad of templar factions across Thedas may have different priorities concerning Dalish mages, as well as other groups of independent mages. Some leaders might focus exclusively on free Circle mages, while others may go after all mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

Cassandra and others seem to still follow the Chantry, at least at present as Inquisition isn't out yet. If Justinia plays her cards right, all the templars and seekers who left the chantry will lose any and all legitimacy.

 

And others? Only Cass has been revealed as a Seeker in service to the Divine, unless if i missed another NPC bioware revealed as important to the upcoming game or something.

[AresKeith]

In a thread asking for opinions about who might fill the power vacuum in Lambert's absense, I don't see how his views on Anders really matter.

 

He never brought up her view on Anders, just mentioned the name

[Laughing_Man]

I don't think that the Templars are actually leaderless, it's just that they splintered, some of their big guns went insane or died, and we just didn't yet have a chance to meet those who are in the lead.

[EmissaryofLies]

Wouldn't be surprised if a tin soldier took Lambert's place if only to maintain good public relations.

 

Lookin' kinda' funny, templars leavin the chantry 'n all that.