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Why Templars Are Leaderless And Without Important People Right Now?


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#126
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Uh, jokes aside. Considering the vivid discussion my post made, do you guys never asked the same question before? It was the first one, that came into my mind, when i've heard of Red Templars - so much RL does not exist, unless RT are exceedingly rare.

 

Looking at Meredith's corpse and the "behemoth" enemy, it looks like it might have a way of propagating itself from the flesh of those who use it.


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Looking at Meredith's corpse and the "behemoth" enemy, it looks like it might have a way of propagating itself from the flesh of those who use it.

 

This makes me wonder if introducing it to an already dead corpse might also produce red lyrium.



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This makes me wonder if introducing it to an already dead corpse might also produce red lyrium.

 

Regular lyrium grows within the rock, and is mined by the dwarves. I don't see why Red Lyrium couldn't grow either. 



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Regular lyrium grows within the rock, and is mined by the dwarves. I don't see why Red Lyrium couldn't grow either. 

 

We already know that red lyrium has different properties to regular lyrium. It seems that RL feeds off of and manipulates pre-existing matter, RATHER than growing on its own. Admittedly, we don't know how RL first appeared. Perhaps some incredibly destructive event altered the properties of some regular lyrium.



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What would Cory want with Red Templars though?


Controlling another army, maybe.

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What would Cory want with Red Templars though?


The red lyrium itself? If you consider how powerful it makes a non-Mage, imagine what a Mage might be capable of doing with it.

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Given what red lyrium does to a person, I don't see the Wardens allying with the Red Templars.

 

we does red lyrium do to a person? I mean, we never really got any sort of answer on this front. It just seems to do whatever to me at least.



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we does red lyrium do to a person? I mean, we never really got any sort of answer on this front. It just seems to do whatever to me at least.

 

We've seen the PAX video that showed Red Templars, including red templar abominations (for lack of a better word). Given what it did to Meredith alone, I don't see why anyone in their right mind would ally with templars using the substance.



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We've seen the PAX video that showed Red Templars, including red templar abominations (for lack of a better word). Given what it did to Meredith alone, I don't see why anyone in their right mind would ally with templars using the substance.

 

Taint rotted brain?

 

I mean if Fiona is any indicator then older Wardens are absolute loons due to it.



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Taint rotted brain?

 

I mean if Fiona is any indicator then older Wardens are absolute loons due to it.

 

Fiona doesn't have the taint. She was cured. :)



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Fiona doesn't have the taint. She was cured. :)

 

So she claimed, Or rather fans speculate that was what she meant.

 

I personally doubt it strongly.

 

The Taint has plagued Wardens since their inception and so far the only known way to stall it out at least temporarily?

 

Blood Magic.

 

So either she's an abomination like Avernus or she was merely lying.

 

The two possibilities as they sit to me.



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So she claimed, Or rather fans speculate that was what she meant.

 

I personally doubt it strongly.

 

The Taint has plagued Wardens since their inception and so far the only known way to stall it out at least temporarily?

 

Blood Magic.

 

So either she's an abomination like Avernus or she was merely lying.

 

The two possibilities as they sit to me.

 

Don't forget her "dealings" with the Architect. Its definitely what cured her.



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We can only speculate for now. At the moment, I can only say with certainty that Fiona won't comprise easily. 



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We can only speculate for now. At the moment, I can only say with certainty that Fiona won't comprise easily. 

 

We should not forget that she wants an autonomous circle. She is more than aware about dangers of magic. Some nations like Ferelden or Rivain might grant mages that kind of circle.



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Don't forget her "dealings" with the Architect. Its definitely what cured her.

 

There wasn't anything done special to her during the events of The Calling.

 

She was given the brooch just like the other Wardens and once they were removed her taint slowed just like Duncan's.

 

Aka she should be hearing the call any day now :P 

 

Then again considering she's Gaider's pet he may entirely rewrite the lore to support a "cure" 



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There wasn't anything done special to her during the events of The Calling.

 

She was given the brooch just like the other Wardens and once they were removed her taint slowed just like Duncan's.

 

Aka she should be hearing the call any day now :P

 

Then again considering she's Gaider's pet he may entirely rewrite the lore to support a "cure" 

 

OMG I think we just had our first agreement! Fiona is an author's pet/favorite :P

 

Anyway, like you said anything is possible. Maybe she delayed her calling to actually never happen but she is still tainted. Or maybe the brooch only cures elves? At this point anything is possible. However she will not go to any calling that's kinda proven but whether she is really cured or not can be doubted.



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How dare you doubt Fiona? She is an elf mage, former slave, turned Grey Warden, cured of the Taint, a dragon king's lover, mother of another, who ran from the Grey Wardens without consequences, became Grand Enchanter and is now a freedom fighter. Have I already mentioned she was your mentor's best friend?

 

How dare you doubt such a splendidly written character that does not make most Mary Sues sound tame at all?


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We should not forget that she wants an autonomous circle. She is more than aware about dangers of magic. Some nations like Ferelden or Rivain might grant mages that kind of circle.

And that cannot be allowed. Mages policing themselves without any oversight can result in lax enforcement such as Orsino's out of fear for their reputation. Furthermore, there is danger of forbidden magic being legalized. There must be non-Mage safeguards.



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How dare you doubt Fiona? She is an elf mage, former slave, turned Grey Warden, cured of the Taint, a dragon king's lover, mother of another, who ran from the Grey Wardens without consequences, became Grand Enchanter and is now a freedom fighter. Have I already mentioned she was your mentor's best friend?

 

How dare you doubt such a splendidly written character that does not make most Mary Sues sound tame at all?

 

JB  :mellow:  I adore this post.



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And that cannot be allowed. Mages policing themselves without any oversight can result in lax enforcement such as Orsino's out of fear for their reputation. Furthermore, there is danger of forbidden magic being legalized. There must be non-Mage safeguards.


Technically Templars will be around but they have no say at all how the circle works. They can intervene when asked by First enchanter or in case of disaster.
 

How dare you doubt Fiona? She is an elf mage, former slave, turned Grey Warden, cured of the Taint, a dragon king's lover, mother of another, who ran from the Grey Wardens without consequences, became Grand Enchanter and is now a freedom fighter. Have I already mentioned she was your mentor's best friend?
 
How dare you doubt such a splendidly written character that does not make most Mary Sues sound tame at all?

 
If Fiona existed in real life I'd go lesbian for her and settle in country side and have a lot wild sex. The fact that female orgasm has no cooldown helps too. But in seriousness she is glorified version of Anders, trying to accomplish the same thing without explosions or anything immoral. Also she has all the characteristics required for adoration, as you mentioned.


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We should not forget that she wants an autonomous circle. She is more than aware about dangers of magic. Some nations like Ferelden or Rivain might grant mages that kind of circle.

 

If the Inquisitor supports the measure, I can see that as a possibility. The developers have said that the player will decide how the protagonist views magic and mages. Of course, that would put the Inquisitor and the Inquisition at odds with the templar leadership, and possibly any companions who believe in some return to the status quo.



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If the Inquisitor supports the measure, I can see that as a possibility. The developers have said that the player will decide how the protagonist views magic and mages. Of course, that would put the Inquisitor and the Inquisition at odds with the templar leadership, and possibly any companions who believe in some return to the status quo.

 

It is a practical solution, one that should certainly be implemented to see how it works.



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So yeah, why?

 

Lambert is assumed dead.

Cassandra is with Inquisition.

Knight-Commanders of one city have no authority in another city therefore not leaders of all Templars.

 

There is just no one.

 

Mages on the other hand Have Fiona, Adrian and Rhys. There are limitless theories I can come up with but I'd like to hear you people :)

Two of the mages you listed were introduced in the last book. There is no reason to suspect the Templars will not get the same in Inquisition.

 

Leaders will rise. You can be sure of that.


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I blame Aizen. It's obviously his plot to take over the fade.

 

And when the Inquisitor finally confronts him, he will reveal that everything the Inquisitor did was orchestrated by him.

Yes, buying that spiffy new hat was also part of the plan.


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Technically Templars will be around but they have no say at all how the circle works. They can intervene when asked by First enchanter or in case of disaster.
 

 

That sounds like a terrible idea. Then who actually enforces the law who can guarantee there won't be favoritism taken in problems between mages. Or are we to pretend that mages are better then normal people and won't have petty issues and grievances that will turn ugly if not addressed quickly? How long until mages begin using their masters as symbols of status to lord over the other apprentices with? And what happens when two fraternities begin getting into issues with one another? Are they expected just to sort things out on their own, as if that won't cause problems. We had that with uldred when he tried to push the libertarian movement forward along with his own political ideology and tried to exterminate the other fraternities in the circle so he would go unchallenged.