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[Lulupab]

That sounds like a terrible idea. Then who actually enforces the law who can guarantee there won't be favoritism taken in problems between mages. Or are we to pretend that mages are better then normal people and won't have petty issues and grievances that will turn ugly if not addressed quickly? How long until mages begin using their masters as symbols of status to lord over the other apprentices with? And what happens when two fraternities begin getting into issues with one another? Are they expected just to sort things out on their own, as if that won't cause problems. We had that with uldred when he tried to push the libertarian movement forward along with his own political ideology and tried to exterminate the other fraternities in the circle so he would go unchallenged.

 

Just listen to what you're saying lol. How did presence of templars affected any of that in any way? Uldred did it anyway and Templars were defeated almost immediately and had to wait for reinforcements. Templars couldn't do anything, locked the tower up and waited for reinforcements. Nothing would have changed if the circle was autonomous at that time. The Templars wont be kicked out of circle, there will be patrols but unless something is amiss they have no authority over mages, just like the police who patrol our cities, they can be suspicious, but the people are ruled by a government they have chosen.

[JoltDealer]

Given that the Templars in Inquisition are splintered, we may see new "leadership" on both fronts.  Every faction is being split apart because of the ongoing conflict with mages.  Not all of the Templars want to kill or imprison every last mage.  Any extremists like the Red Templars will likely be led by an extremist individual.  

 

The problem with a lot of Dragon Age fans right now, is we assume that we'll be seeing pre-existing characters taking on new roles in the current conflict.  Thedas is a big place and any kind of conflict has a way of forging new leaders from its fires.  Chances are, we'll be seeing a new character take command of the Red Templars at a time like this.  Cullen will probably lead his more peaceful brothers.

[Dean_the_Young]

Two of the mages you listed were introduced in the last book. There is no reason to suspect the Templars will not get the same in Inquisition.

 

Leaders will rise. You can be sure of that.

 

Indeed. Just because they haven't been identified yet doesn't mean we haven't heard or felt their impacts. We could point to Gregoir and Cullen as named Templars who are obvious contenders to be leaders, and the non-sociopathic sort as well.

 

Another potential Templar could be the currently-unknown one who led the Anullment of the Rivain Circle- without a Circle needing a massive Templar presence there, she or he could go west to more decisive areas. Think of them as The Dreaded for the Mages- a terrifying reputation, regardless of what they are actually like.

 

 

Mind you, I don't think the Templars and Mages particularly need a unified leadership. The mages are so spread out across the many Circles that it's almost certainly going to be local/regional organization for both groups.

[Mistic]

Another potential Templar could be the currently-unknown one who led the Anullment of the Rivain Circle- without a Circle needing a massive Templar presence there, she or he could go west to more decisive areas. Think of them as The Dreaded for the Mages- a terrifying reputation, regardless of what they are actually like.

 

That would be cool. A character with some reference so that the more knowledgeable fans can say "Hey! It's the one who did that thing which was mentioned in a book!", while being a blank slate for writers and desginers to do their magic.

 

Mind you, I don't think the Templars and Mages particularly need a unified leadership. The mages are so spread out across the many Circles that it's almost certainly going to be local/regional organization for both groups.

 

I disagree. They do need it; another thing is that they will manage to do it. If not, they would be easy prey for any centralized organization that can coordinate orders and soldier movements to pick them one by one.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Just listen to what you're saying lol. How did presence of templars affected any of that in any way? Uldred did it anyway and Templars were defeated almost immediately and had to wait for reinforcements. Templars couldn't do anything, locked the tower up and waited for reinforcements. Nothing would have changed if the circle was autonomous at that time. The Templars wont be kicked out of circle, there will be patrols but unless something is amiss they have no authority over mages, just like the police who patrol our cities, they can be suspicious, but the people are ruled by a government they have chosen.

 

1) There was a sudden and unexpected explosion of abominations. The templars were caught off-guard. You can certainly make the argument that they were too lax

 

2) By sealing off the abominations they have already made a big impact. All those abominations running outside and dispersing into the countryside would have been catastrophic.

 

3) Seal off the tower and bring in reinforcement is a legitimate tactic. You consider bringing in reinforcements a failure? That's just ridiculous. So when the police blocks the exists to a place and calls in the SWAT, are they being incompetent?

The number of templars in the tower is kept at a level necessary for normal operations. It wouldn't make much sense to have 1000 templars stationed that 24/7.

[Xilizhra]

Indeed. Just because they haven't been identified yet doesn't mean we haven't heard or felt their impacts. We could point to Gregoir and Cullen as named Templars who are obvious contenders to be leaders, and the non-sociopathic sort as well.

 

Another potential Templar could be the currently-unknown one who led the Anullment of the Rivain Circle- without a Circle needing a massive Templar presence there, she or he could go west to more decisive areas. Think of them as The Dreaded for the Mages- a terrifying reputation, regardless of what they are actually like.

 

 

Mind you, I don't think the Templars and Mages particularly need a unified leadership. The mages are so spread out across the many Circles that it's almost certainly going to be local/regional organization for both groups.

The mages have sending stones, so they could actually pull off coordinated communication in a way that the templars can't... although if the stones aren't portable, that'd become a lot harder. Do we know whether they are or not?

[dragonflight288]

The mages have sending stones, so they could actually pull off coordinated communication in a way that the templars can't... although if the stones aren't portable, that'd become a lot harder. Do we know whether they are or not?

 

I have no clue.

 

However, if Merrill completes an eluvian, the dalish would most definitely have a portable fast long-distance communication device.

[Master Warder Z_]

I have no clue.

 

However, if Merrill completes an eluvian, the dalish would most definitely have a portable fast long-distance communication device.

 

Erm doesn't it require another mirror to you know, act as  Walkie talkie?

 

Furthermore what occurs if she basically smashes the one she had? You know because it was an evil thing.

[Xilizhra]

Erm doesn't it require another mirror to you know, act as  Walkie talkie?

 

Furthermore what occurs if she basically smashes the one she had? You know because it was an evil thing.

We retcon it, with luck.

[dragonflight288]

Erm doesn't it require another mirror to you know, act as  Walkie talkie?

 

Furthermore what occurs if she basically smashes the one she had? You know because it was an evil thing.

 

It's not evil, it's an inanimate object, and it's not inherently dangerous despite what Merethari says. The darkspawn tainted one was dangerou, but because of the darkspawn taint and not because of the eluvian itself.

 

And she only smashes it if you rival her and you are against her every step of the way. Otherwise she doesn't.

 

And yes, they would need to build more, but if Merrill gets hers activated, nothing would stop her from bringing her discovery and the plans to build it to the Dalish at their meeting they have every ten years. 

 

Now I'm going to drop this subject because it's not on topic. I only brought it up originally because if it is completed, it can be used as an example, and possibly as a replacement to the mages scrying stones. If you wish to discuss this in more detail with me, we can do so through PM or on a Dalish thread. 

[dragonflight288]

We retcon it, with luck.

 

Err...this doesn't help my argument that I just made in the post following the one you made. 

[Lulupab]

1) There was a sudden and unexpected explosion of abominations. The templars were caught off-guard. You can certainly make the argument that they were too lax

 

2) By sealing off the abominations they have already made a big impact. All those abominations running outside and dispersing into the countryside would have been catastrophic.

 

3) Seal off the tower and bring in reinforcement is a legitimate tactic. You consider bringing in reinforcements a failure? That's just ridiculous. So when the police blocks the exists to a place and calls in the SWAT, are they being incompetent?

The number of templars in the tower is kept at a level necessary for normal operations. It wouldn't make much sense to have 1000 templars stationed that 24/7.

 

You are going way off you are justifying what Templars did and that was not my point at all. My point was autonomous circles can work. If the Ferelden circle was autonomous at the time of Uldred's betrayal, nothing would have changed. A police force shouldn't be given any more authority than policing itself. If we imagine the circle as a city, mages should be solely responsible for government and Templars solely for security. None of them should be able to interfere each other.

[AresKeith]

We retcon it, with luck.

 

lulz

[AresKeith]

It's not evil, it's an inanimate object, and it's not inherently dangerous despite what Merethari says. The darkspawn tainted one was dangerou, but because of the darkspawn taint and not because of the eluvian itself.

 

And she only smashes it if you rival her and you are against her every step of the way. Otherwise she doesn't.

 

And yes, they would need to build more, but if Merrill gets hers activated, nothing would stop her from bringing her discovery and the plans to build it to the Dalish at their meeting they have every ten years. 

 

Now I'm going to drop this subject because it's not on topic. I only brought it up originally because if it is completed, it can be used as an example, and possibly as a replacement to the mages scrying stones. If you wish to discuss this in more detail with me, we can do so through PM or on a Dalish thread. 

 

Actually in my playthrough Merrill smashed it and I didn't rival her

[LobselVith8]

Erm doesn't it require another mirror to you know, act as  Walkie talkie?

 

More than one could be built to allow the clans to communicate over vast differences. Hypothetically, the elven technology could be modified from it's original design. Merrill has studied the lore on Eluvians and extrapolated information from the shard.

 

Furthermore what occurs if she basically smashes the one she had? You know because it was an evil thing.

 

Merrill built the one she had based on the research she conducted, so another could possibly be created. And the Eluvian wasn't evil; the shard she took from Ferelden was tainted, until Merrill successfully cleansed it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually in my playthrough Merrill smashed it and I didn't rival her

 

Yeah same here ._.

[LobselVith8]

lulz

 

Considering Merrill built the Eluvian from a single shard she took from Ferelden, I don't think reconstruction would be implausible.

[Hellion Rex]

Considering Merrill built the Eluvian from a single shard she took from Ferelden, I don't think reconstruction would be implausible.

However, the thing still didn't work. It needed something more, something Morrigan had that Merrill didn't.

[dragonflight288]

However, the thing still didn't work. It needed something more, something Morrigan had that Merrill didn't.

 

You mean the book another Dalish clan had on eluvians?

[Master Warder Z_]

However, the thing still didn't work. It needed something more, something Morrigan had that Merrill didn't.

 

Exactly hence she went to the Demon she sought out originally to aid in its construction.

 

Morrigan dug up some method of getting that stupid mirror working and untainted, Merril managed to purify a shard via forbidden magic and consorting with the demon ilk but she didn't get it working.

[Hellion Rex]

You mean the book another Dalish clan had on eluvians?

Perhaps. But I don't think the book had everything within it. Otherwise, why didn't the Dalish use it for their own ends? Well, and the other thing is that Morrigan's mirror was never broken to begin with.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean the book another Dalish clan had on eluvians?

 

Possibly, but its still knowledge Merril didn't have, or it could be something else entirely.

 

There is no bounds on the speculation of how Morrigan got said Mirror working while Merril's efforts resorted in a tacky looking hunk of glass and wood that didn't even cast a reflection.

[dragonflight288]

Perhaps. But I don't think the book had everything within it. Otherwise, why didn't the Dalish use it for their own ends? Well, and the other thing is that Morrigan's mirror was never broken to begin with.

 

Because they couldn't read it. Arianne actually makes that clear. They kept it because it was a relic of their people, but they lacked enough information to translate ancient elvish. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Because they couldn't read it. Arianne actually makes that clear. They kept it because it was a relic of their people, but they lacked enough information to translate ancient elvish. 

 

Finn could only speak a handful of words of it and he was the circle Linguist, You have anymore random trivia?

[dragonflight288]

Finn could only speak a handful of words of it and he was the circle Linguist, You have anymore random trivia?

 

And he also happened to have a book on translating ancient elvish, whereas the Dalish didn't have that book.