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[Mes]

Okay so I'm currently replaying DAO and DA2 to refresh my memory on various aspects before DAI comes out.

 

What I'm currently confused on is the whole possession thing. Is it not restricted to mages? In DA2 one of the first quests is dealing with a possessed templar. And during the Shale DLC in DAO, a demon asks your permission to possess a little girl (no mention of whether she was a mage or not). 

 

So are mages just more likely to become possessed? Do you think at some point we could find that there's not that huge of a difference between mages and other peoples, and by extension that mages were discriminated against unjustly? 

 

Sorry if this question is on the basic side... After not playing the games for ages, it takes a while to wrap my head around all the lore/canon.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mage possession is something of an unusual event, in that mages can be taken over in their dreams without the demons ever needing to cross into the mortal world. Though the mortal world does allow them to more easily possess things, a mage is always easiest and requires the least amount of work. They're really the only ones who can suddenly and without warning become abominations, while everyone else requires something special. Be it a specific set of rules or rituals, being allowed to cross into the physical world to interact with other beings, or simply be being forced into another persons body.

 

The only reason mages are more susceptible to demonic possession is because of their stronger connection to the fade allowing demons to interact with them without needing to enter the mortal world.

[Master Warder Z_]

Normal people don't cast a conscious presence into the Fade, Therefore to Demons they are about like a tree or a rock.

 

Mages project a presence and therefore they are targeted.

[Mes]

Hmm. Okay. Do we know anything statistics-wise in regard to what percentage of all mages have been possessed versus percentage of non-mages?

 

I wonder why they imprison the mages rather than try to invent something through science or magic to lessen the chances of possession.

 

Or does a mage, like Morrigan in the fade, ALWAYS know when they're in the presence of a demon? And in which case possession is a wholly conscious choice and nothing anyone else can do anything about?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Hmm. Okay. Do we know anything statistics-wise in regard to what percentage of all mages have been possessed versus percentage of non-mages?

 

I wonder why they imprison the mages rather than try to invent something through science or magic to lessen the chances of possession.

 

Or does a mage, like Morrigan in the fade, ALWAYS know when they're in the presence of a demon? And in which case possession is a wholly conscious choice and nothing anyone else can do anything about?

 

Um yes, 98% of people possessed are mages, with 2% that we see having been under unusual circumstances.

 

And educate the mages, not imprison them. You do not educate prisoners. You do not give them good food and warm beds. You do not allow them to socialize unsupervised. And you do not allow prisoners to truly leave the "prison" to become productive members of society, you keep them there, until their time is up and they are to be released without assistance or aid for their future endeavors. Calling the circles prisons is like calling a boarding school an internment camp, it's just a gross misrepresentation and a plea for emotional pity and outrage.

 

And we already have a method that cuts the chance of unwitting possession or contact with demons in the fade to 0. It's called the rite of tranquility, but nobody wants to see all mages turned into emotionless enchanters when really there need only be a method to educate them in the proper use of their talents, and a means for them to demonstrate their trustworthiness with their gifts to travel out from the tower, when they are older and wiser.

 

Possession in the fade can be both actually, some mages are just smarter and more distrustful then others, just like people. In the mage origin we didn't know mouse was a demon until the very end. Some trap you in false realities and force you to accept their offer, others just leave you in those realities to root forever, if you're unlucky enough to get caught. While others may never notice a mage for a long, long time, outside of their harrowing. Regardless, it's not easy being a mage, even if they were given all the freedom in the world, the dreams and demons pouding at the door to get them to sign over their bodies would never stop.

[Loraella]

Or does a mage, like Morrigan in the fade, ALWAYS know when they're in the presence of a demon? And in which case possession is a wholly conscious choice and nothing anyone else can do anything about?

They seem to be able to be tricked into not realizing a demon is present even when they should. Wynne in the fade durring Broken Circle doesn't realize it even with her supposed spirit affinity. Also Feynriel has to be convinced his are not real as well. We see both Morrigan and Sten are pretty much the only ones who were able to resist in the Broken Circle fade traps. We know both are relatively emotionally stoic. It seems that the more instable a persons emotional state is the more susceptible to demonic influence they are. We know in Feynriel's fade dream a demon pretending to be Marathari was trying to strike the deal so it doesn't seem like the demon has to be entirely forth coming about what they are just what they are offering.

[AresKeith]

It's not restricted to Mages but they are the easier target because of their connection to the Fade

[ChrisRudson]

It's not restricted to Mages but they are the easier target because of their connection to the Fade

What she said. This is the entire summary of possessions.

[LobselVith8]

Hmm. Okay. Do we know anything statistics-wise in regard to what percentage of all mages have been possessed versus percentage of non-mages?

I wonder why they imprison the mages rather than try to invent something through science or magic to lessen the chances of possession.

Or does a mage, like Morrigan in the fade, ALWAYS know when they're in the presence of a demon? And in which case possession is a wholly conscious choice and nothing anyone else can do anything about?

There are no statics.

Where the veil is weak (like an area with a high concentration of death), spirits can cross over and possess virtually anything - trees, animals, corpses, regular people.

As for imprisoning mages, the Chantry views them as cursed because of their magical ability, and their fable about the origin of the darkspawn blames mages for their version of "original sin".

It's why there have been multiple threads debating the ethics and morality of the Chantry controlled Circles.

As for mages in the Fade, some spirits will try to deceive mages. It's the crux of the Magi Origin. As Mouse warns, "True tests never end."

[Treacherous J Slither]

Um yes, 98% of people possessed are mages, with 2% that we see having been under unusual circumstances.

 

And educate the mages, not imprison them. You do not educate prisoners. You do not give them good food and warm beds. You do not allow them to socialize unsupervised. And you do not allow prisoners to truly leave the "prison" to become productive members of society, you keep them there, until their time is up and they are to be released without assistance or aid for their future endeavors. Calling the circles prisons is like calling a boarding school an internment camp, it's just a gross misrepresentation and a plea for emotional pity and outrage.

 

And we already have a method that cuts the chance of unwitting possession or contact with demons in the fade to 0. It's called the rite of tranquility, but nobody wants to see all mages turned into emotionless enchanters when really there need only be a method to educate them in the proper use of their talents, and a means for them to demonstrate their trustworthiness with their gifts to travel out from the tower, when they are older and wiser.

 

Possession in the fade can be both actually, some mages are just smarter and more distrustful then others, just like people. In the mage origin we didn't know mouse was a demon until the very end. Some trap you in false realities and force you to accept their offer, others just leave you in those realities to root forever, if you're unlucky enough to get caught. While others may never notice a mage for a long, long time, outside of their harrowing. Regardless, it's not easy being a mage, even if they were given all the freedom in the world, the dreams and demons pouding at the door to get them to sign over their bodies would never stop.

 

If you're not allowed to leave then it's a prison. No matter how nicely someone may be treated inside, no matter what facilities they may have access to, if they are unable to travel freely to and from said place, it's a prison.

 

A gilded cage is still a cage.

[AresKeith]

What she said. This is the entire summary of possessions.

 

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[AresKeith]

If you're not allowed to leave then it's a prison. No matter how nicely someone may be treated inside, no matter what facilities they may have access to, if they are unable to travel freely to and from said place, it's a prison.

 

A gilded cage is still a cage.

 

They are allowed to leave technically, they just need a good reason and a Templar escort

[Grieving Natashina]

Um, that really isn't the point of the thread.  I think there is at least 3 active threads about the robes and skirts and why the system is bad/system is good.  May we please move the debate about the morality/necessity of the Circle system to one of them?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hmm. Okay. Do we know anything statistics-wise in regard to what percentage of all mages have been possessed versus percentage of non-mages?

 

I wonder why they imprison the mages rather than try to invent something through science or magic to lessen the chances of possession.

 

Or does a mage, like Morrigan in the fade, ALWAYS know when they're in the presence of a demon? And in which case possession is a wholly conscious choice and nothing anyone else can do anything about?

No real statistics exist, except that the vast majority of abominations are mages. 

 

Well, they technically did. It's called Tranquility. Unfortunately, it comes with the side effect of the mage no longer having emotions.

 

No, because Wynne does not recognize that she is in the Fade with a demon during the same quest. 

[Mes]

Is there a rise in any way of possession of non-mages? Something we might encounter in Inquisition with the tearing of the veil?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is there a rise in any way of possession of non-mages? Something we might encounter in Inquisition with the tearing of the veil?

Yes. With the Veil torn, demons can cross right over and possess anything and anyone they want. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Um, that really isn't the point of the thread.  I think there is at least 3 active threads about the robes and skirts and why the system is bad/system is good.  May we please move the debate about the morality/necessity of the Circle system to one of them?

 

You oughta know better than that. It's BSN evolution, baby!

[ChrisRudson]

Is there a rise in any way of possession of non-mages? Something we might encounter in Inquisition with the tearing of the veil?

That is something that we might have to find out ourselves on DA:I

[Treacherous J Slither]

They are allowed to leave technically, they just need a good reason and a Templar escort

 

I'm assuming you're attempting to make a joke here...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm assuming you're attempting to make a joke here...

No, Ares is right. If a mage is needed, for example during the Battle of Ostagar, they are allowed to leave while under Templar guard at all times. 

[LobselVith8]

Is there a rise in any way of possession of non-mages? Something we might encounter in Inquisition with the tearing of the veil?

Creatures seem to be pouring out of the veil tears without requiring possession, so they may not need to possess anyone. It's anyone's guess at this point.

[AresKeith]

I'm assuming you're attempting to make a joke here...

 

If it helps you sleep at night I guess 

[Grieving Natashina]

No, Ares is right. If a mage is needed, for example during the Battle of Ostagar, they are allowed to leave while under Templar guard at all times. 

 

 

My own personal feelings aside, we do have examples in game of mages doing their business.  What about some of the Mage's Collective quests, such as the one where you run around and fire mages for their master?  Plenty of those mages were out doing tasks, didn't seem to be hurting anyone and I didn't see a templar in sight.  That may be a case of gameplay/story segregation, but I have seen evidence of mages being allowed out of the Circle without a templar close by.

[eyezonlyii]

I think the best advice about mage/demon interaction came from a person who ended up being possessed voluntarily.

 

Merrill says Marathari told her to trust only herself in the Fade because everything else is a trick or a trap. If more mages were to be given this advice, I'm sure the rate of abominations would decline.

[LobselVith8]

My own personal feelings aside, we do have examples in game of mages doing their business. What about some of the Mage's Collective quests, such as the one where you run around and fire mages for their master? Plenty of those mages were out doing tasks, didn't seem to be hurting anyone and I didn't see a templar in sight. That may be a case of gameplay/story segregation, but I have seen evidence of mages being allowed out of the Circle without a templar close by.

The Mages Collective aren't part of the Circle - they specifically protect mages (who live outside the Circle) from the templars.