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[cJohnOne]

Hey I'm thinking about rolling up a new DW Warrior who uses daggers and heavy armor.

Am I right in assuming that with the higher Strength I would be actually better to go sword and dagger or two full sized swords?

In Awakening the game gives you a lot of good swords but I haven't really seen a good dagger. Maybe because I haven't looked.


I want to go daggers all the way through though.



On a different subject Do many people check the Customization section? I do because I love Classes and Builds. Hey I just noticed they took out characters from the category! What do you think?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I personally like The Rose's Thorn. Voice of Velvet is another option, once you're actually in Awakening. As for my Dual Wield Warrior, he uses two fullsized swords, The Keening Blade and Vengeance, though he ended Origins with The Keening Blade and Branka's mace (its name escapes me.) My Arcane Warrior uses Spellweaver and The Rose's Thorn (this is the same set she ended Origins with since I haven't started Awakenings with her) since they can't wield two fullsize blades. (I regret to inform you I haven't actually checked to see which set is more damaging.)

[Shadow Fox]

I personally like The Rose's Thorn. Voice of Velvet is another option, once you're actually in Awakening. As for my Dual Wield Warrior, he uses two fullsized swords, The Keening Blade and Vengeance, though he ended Origins with The Keening Blade and Branka's mace (its name escapes me.) My Arcane Warrior uses Spellweaver and The Rose's Thorn (this is the same set she ended Origins with since I haven't started Awakenings with her) since they can't wield two fullsize blades. (I regret to inform you I haven't actually checked to see which set is more damaging.)

I think you mean Vigilance?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think you mean Vigilance?

Yes, that thing. While you're at it, would you happen to remember the name of that mace? Branka's wiki page doesn't link to it and googling "Branka's mace" wasn't helpful.

[theskymoves]

Yes, that thing. While you're at it, would you happen to remember the name of that mace? Branka's wiki page doesn't link to it and googling "Branka's mace" wasn't helpful.

 

Vanguard.

[Blazomancer]

Initially when STR is low, Starfang-The Rose's Thorn combo is the leader in talent and autoattack damage. Somewhere in the mid 50's, Dual Veshialles surpass this but only in talent damage. Somewhere above 90s and higher, Dual Veshialles are the most damaging combo whether it be for talent spamming or autoattacking. Hence, Vigilance-Veshialle is among the very best in awakening.


But if you want to go daggers, then just do it. It's not like they are very far behind. Your talent damage will be comparatively poor though. The Rose's Thorn-Edge and The Voice of Velvet-The Rose's Thorn, respectively in Origins and Awak. are the most damaging in this category.


If you want to take the middle route, Starfang-The Rose's Thorn is a good investment for your everyday darkspawn slaying needs in Origins. Afterall, Starfang is free, while Veshialle comes with a hefty price tag. Likewise, the obvious choice is Vigilance/Veshialle-VoV in awakening.

[Dank Rafft]

Hey I'm thinking about rolling up a new DW Warrior who uses daggers and heavy armor.

Am I right in assuming that with the higher Strength I would be actually better to go sword and dagger or two full sized swords?

The more Strength you have the better full-sized weapons become. On the other hand a full dexterity dagger warrior is the most damaging class in DA and thanks to dex you have an insanely high defense rating. You only need to pump every attribute point into dexterity - maybe some points into cunning for persuasion checks.
Full-sized weapons are junk compared to the dagger damage. Additionally with full-sized weapons you absolutely have to spam skills nonstop (without it full-sized weapons do nearly no damage) and surviving will be more challenging. With daggers you'll get the most damage out of them if you auto-attack.
 

In Awakening the game gives you a lot of good swords but I haven't really seen a good dagger. Maybe because I haven't looked.

Like Riverdaleswhiteflash mentioned, check out Voice of Velvet. It's the best off-hand weapon and one of the best main-hand weapons in the game. In combination with Rose's Thorn (VoV main-hand & RT off-hand) nothing will stop you.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Vanguard.

Thank you.

[cJohnOne]

Well I started up a female city elf and things have not gone as planned. The borrowed sword is better than two iron daggers so I'll be using that for awhile and I want to try applying poisons but that might cost me extra so I don't think I will be able to affor the thorn of dead gods at Lothering. If I have enough money I will switch to an enchanted dagger and the thorn of dead gods.

[DarthGizka]

The Lothering Thorn probably isn't worth it, seeing that you can pick up nice free kit in RtO and in the Deep Roads. However, as a warrior you can use Precise Striking to work around the Haste bug, meaning you can achieve the highest possible attack rate. That gets you something like 40% more bang out of per-hit bonusses if you dual-wield daggers instead of sword + dagger. Think Flaming Weapons (Wynne), cold iron, silverites and whatnot. At five times the attack speed of an unhastened two-hander that makes even Berserker almost worth considering.

 

Things are a bit different in the early game, though. My Cousland chainsaw used the family sword for a long time, even though she went for full daggers later.

[Mike3207]

The final battles at RTO are pretty difficult. A level 7/8 character might be able to make it as far as the bridge, but might have to do the rest of RTO later on.It's what I did in my last playthrough.

 

For gold, you might try selling DLC items. The Reaper's Cudgel brings over 300 gold if you've done Amagarrak before.

[cJohnOne]

Ha, I had plenty of money for the thorn of dead gods so I'll try to switch to Daggers. I'll try to do Return to Ostagar after the Circle tower sometime at least that's the plan but I will be using thorn of dead gods for most of the game.

[Blazomancer]

That gets you something like 40% more bang out of per-hit bonusses if you dual-wield daggers instead of sword + dagger. Think Flaming Weapons (Wynne), cold iron, silverites and whatnot. At five times the attack speed of an unhastened two-hander that makes even Berserker almost worth considering.

It is ~40% compared to dual swords/axes, while ~20% compared to sword/dagger. But in a practical sense, the difference isn't as pronounced as one would like to believe. Grandmaster silverite runes plus a high SP Wynne's enchantments account for a DPS bonus of 100 at max attack speed. Compared to this, sword/dagger would get 83.33, and dual swords/axes would get 71.42. However starfang/rose's thorn has better normal hit dps than rose's thorn/totdg initially, which gets better with STR progression. Once the warrior, gains more than 1/2 crit rate, coupled with better STR modifier of starfang, average dps difference increases to surpass what a dual dagger would gain from on hit effects. Now, one may argue that stacking all the poisons and coatings will bring back dual daggers into the game, which is very true, but how many poisons and coatings are a player willing to use before every encounter. A 10 dmg poison would only give a lead of ~3 to the dual daggers and on top of that all the poisons may not be effective against a certain enemy type. The only major noticeable difference in all practical scenarios would be an armor penetration advantage of 3.5 for the dual daggers.

 

Worth noting that Starfang/rose's thorn would have much better talent dps. Also, if we are comparing only autoattacks, then the Starfang/rose's thorn user can effectively cap DEX at 26, and gain an additonal 3.75 damage per hit from 10 STR for Starfang. What I'm getting at here is that there isn't any meaningful difference between dual daggers and the Starfang/Rose's Thorn combo even if all sorts of enchantments are stacked on the daggers, while it shifts quite a bit in favour of Vigilance-VoV in awakening, given the fact that you can't use more than two damage runes unless you want to deprive yourself of max crit rate and crit dmg.

 

The case for Veshialle is a bit different. They are geared towards crit based talent spammers. Nothing can come near Twin Veshialles and Vigilance-Veshialle combo when it comes to talent spam. Which one's better, I haven't checked. And since, all normal enemies are one-shot and elite enemies are two-shot kills, autoattack speed doesn't come into the picture. Actually it's faster to one-shot an enemies and move on to the next target. Better still to use whirlwind and finish everyone around in one-go, which a dagger can't do. When it comes to higher ranked enemies, there are enough talents for a DW to make autoattack speed irrelevant. Plus, it can also be funny if unending flurry is used on the Architect and the Baroness.

 

Edit: well, I guess I should have said that most normal enemies are one-shot. But using hexes, most of them are eliminated in one go, so there's that.

[cJohnOne]

There's a Thorn of Dead gods for sale at the bar in Awakening for 4 sovereigns or so. good deal.  It has +3 damage plus 6.00 damage. There's suppose to be only three thorn of dead gods, Oh well.  Also using the free tooth of the mountain farther so I have my daggers.  Better than paying 175 sovereigns for the other dagger.  Of course now I have 100 sovereigns I don't know what to do with.

[Mike3207]

That 175 gold dagger is Voice of Velvet. It's really worth that 175 sovereigns. That and Rose's Thorn would be ideal for a dagger user.

[luna1124]

I use mods. I like the Phoenix Armory daggers and the Elvhenan Weapons v2_0 by Rapture-X (these are so awesome looking) And they carry into Awakening if I remember correctly.