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[SerCambria358]

With the mage templar conflict reaching a high point in this next installment, whats your stance on the issue of blood magic? Do you think with the amount of oppression mages receive that they're, completely justified in having to result to using blood as their source of power, only justified in extreme situations, or never justified in having to rely on someones life force.

 

IMO: Blood magic is used out of desperation, for experimentation (ex:tevinter magisters, Avernus) or for power. In other words its not a necessity, making yourself susceptible to demons through draining life from someone else isnt just, even when threatened or oppressed. It only proves that the templars reasons for concern are legitimate, this is why i hated that First Enchanter Orsino of all people resulted to it in DA2 without even attempting to fight using such drastic means, which in the end was not even needed to end the skirmish

 

So whats your opinion on the issue?

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is justified when you want to be it justified one person will take it other not.To be honest mages will be stupid if won't use it against templars as it is only advantage they have but well...

[JeffZero]

It is never OK to use blood magic. If you suspect a loved one is performing blood magic, contact 1-800-TEMPLAR for a confidential report. You may be rewarded.

[ChrisRudson]

Not that justified if you become a monster in the process

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is justified when you want to be it justified one person will take it other not.To be honest mages will be stupid if won't use it against templars as it is only advantage they have but well...

I can't believe I am saying this on a Mage topic, but...

 

I agree with TKS. 

 

The mages are at war against a force of better armed, better trained, and better organized men and women who also as a weapon are able to negate normal magic. Blood magic is the Mage's ace in the hole, so I certainly won't blame them for utilizing it as a weapon. 

[eyezonlyii]

Personally I have no issue with the school of blood magic in and of itself. Mainly because the risk is just as high for a spirit healer (the class/specialization that I normally play). For instance, if the Qunari were to attack Thedas, I would bet the populace and maybe even the Chantry would turn a blind eye to its use. 

 

This is coming from a guy who plays mages as main PC's and never once used the BM spec on said characters.

[ChrisRudson]

This is coming from a guy who plays mages as main PC's and never once used the BM spec on said characters.

I've done the same as well.

[Divine Justinia V]

If they're in danger against a force that they cannot match in power, then I support it.

I never actually had a problem with blood magic as much as Magisters having slaves for the sole purpose of using them as a power source.

[Grieving Natashina]

I honestly do think that blood magic is just another form of magic.  Whether it's inherently "evil" or not, it is proven that it's addictive as hell.  All the information suggests that the more blood and pain used for the spell, the more powerful it is.  I personally don't take that as a sign that the mage will automatically start seeking more power, yet that's one of the first red flags I see.  The lore seems mixed about how to become a blood mage.  Some say that you must make a deal with a demon, and others suggest that it is a power one can accidentally find and then harness for greater gain.

 

The biggest danger of blood magic, to me, is how powerful it really can be.  Even in our world, power is the biggest drug of them all.  Plus, we're talking about a group that has a subservient place in society.  I'm trying to be neutral with my word choice, since I really don't like the word slave.  It is true that they occupy a lower rung in society with regards to personal freedoms.  With that in mind, blood magic becomes even more dangerous.  It can go from "Wow, my spells are more powerful" to "if I can attain power, the templars/other mages can't hurt me" to "Screw it, power feels good.  Time to make them all pay."

 

There is a few exceptions, such as Merrill, that can be a blood mage for years and not turn into an abomination, but so far that appears to be rare.  If it comes down to life or death, then I can at least understand and empathize with such desires.  My concern about an emergency use of blood magic is...what happens when the emergency is over and the mage might still be alive?  I have a feeling it would unlikely go well.   I don't damn the mages for it, but I think it's too much of a slippery slope to do even in an emergency.

[EmissaryofLies]

It is completey justified when the templars give innocent mages zero choice. The evil mages who are just waiting to sacrifice thousands in a ritual, obviously not.

 

Elvina in DA II, the mage begging in Darktown, trying to provide for her family was justified in using blood magic when the templars came for her. Ella would have been completely justified in using blood magic against Alrik and his men. 

 

I simply find it comical how the mages are expected to tolerate potentially heinous abuses and are then villainized for using whatever means they have at their disposal to end their abuse.

 

 

It's also very naive to believe that something illicit is unjustified under all circumstances because it's illicit. Something of which will undoubtedly come up in this thread as a would be opposition to blood magic use.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

I think it's only justified if you do not use the life force of others to fuel your spells, or use mind control. It may tear the veil each time no matter what, but so does war so 'meh'. 

But once one starts to sacrifice others, or start mind-controlling people, it starts to get unjustifiable. It just isn't right to go around slicin' up unwilling people because 'lulz I wanna be powerfulz' or something.

But, once one gets a taste of power, they likely won't stop.

Unless of course, they're your enemy. Then you can slice dem foolz and steal their life force. 

 

EDIT:  Geez so many posts appeared when I clicked 'post' D:

[ChrisRudson]

I honestly do think that blood magic is just another form of magic.  Whether it's inherently "evil" or not, it is proven that it's addictive as hell.  All the information suggests that the more blood and pain used for the spell, the more powerful it is.  I personally don't take that as a sign that the mage will automatically start seeking more power, yet that's one of the first red flags I see.  The lore seems mixed about how to become a blood mage.  Some say that you must make a deal with a demon, and others suggest that it is a power one can accidentally find and then harness for greater gain.

 

The biggest danger of blood magic, to me, is how powerful it really can be.  Even in our world, power is the biggest drug of them all.  Plus, we're talking about a group that has a subservient place in society.  I'm trying to be neutral with my word choice, since I really don't like the word slave.  It is true that they occupy a lower rung in society with regards with personal freedoms.  With that in mind, blood magic becomes even more dangerous.  It can go from "Wow, my spells are more powerful" to "if I can attain power, the templars/other mages can't hurt me" to "Screw it, power feels good.  Time to make them all pay."

 

There is a few exceptions, such as Merrill, that can be a blood mage for years and not turn into an abomination, but so far that appears to be rare.  If it comes down to life or death, then I can at least understand and empathizes with such desires.  My concern about an emergency use of blood mage is...what happens when the emergency is over and the mage might still be alive?  I have a feeling it would unlikely go well.   I don't damn the mages for it, but I think it's too much of a slippery slope to do even in an emergency.

Since I can't like your post, I'll just type, wise words

[Iron Fist]

Only when in serious danger. But it should be done in moderation. There's only so much blood to use.

[lil yonce]

NVM - didn't upload right. I'm not against blood magic. It would be like being against nuclear power, very likely the energy source of the future, because nuclear energy has been used to make nuclear bombs. Its not the magic, its what a mage does with it. An amateur shouldn't practice it, and ideally someone should be able to counter it. I've been thinking that dragon blood could be used to "annul" the usual variety of blood magic (magic done with human blood) because its a more powerful agent, but who knows.

[Inprea]

I'm fine with blood magic if the intention was to kill the target to begin with. Burning to death with fire or having your heart stopped or burst inside your chest seem like a horrible way to die either way. I also see uses for it as far as research goes. Look how long Avernus was able to extend his life despite the taint. It seems to me the key to saving the Wardens from the taint or extending their lives to something more appreciable, let's say 70, could be found in blood magic.

 

I can even appreciate it's mind altering abilities. Though I'm not certain to what extent it can alter memories. If it can then i can think of many uses for it. I hope no one minds but I"m going to borrow from another game system. The world of darkness vampires can learn a discpline called dominate which as its name suggest is mind control. Well one human friend of my character happened to see something he wasn't suppose to see. Now if he blabbed about what he saw not only would he be killed once it got around to other vampires but so would my character. Rather then hurt her friend though she just tweaked his memories a bit.

 

It can also be great for treating mental illnesses like a phobia. Patient "I"m scared to death of chickens!" Vampire "You don't fear chickens." Patient "Well that was quick."

[Writ3Wing3r]

I am generally opposed to the use of blood magic, but my opposition is based on the source and its use.

 

The most common source of blood magic at least as far as I can see is from demons, though it would appear blood magic can be taught outside of demonic influence as seen by Hawke's possible use of it in DA2 and Malcolm Hawke's use in Legacy. Also then I would assume that most Tevinter magisters would learn it outside of demonic influence as well.

 

Now as to its use, If a blood mage uses only their own life force and not the blood of others I'm fine with that. Also if a blood mage controls the mind of someone else I also find that objectionable, but seeing as that is one of the main draws of blood magic sticking to it would seem difficult.

 

So if a blood mage could stick to my conditions above they would be fine in my book, though I would generally assume anyone actively practicing blood magic hasn't.

[goofyomnivore]

I wonder if mages would be less likely to become abominations if Blood Magic wasn't taboo? You would think Tevinter would be burned to a crisp since Blood Magic is quite common there from what I understand. I think it would be a useful school of magic if it had adequate support and research involving it. Right now in its current state you only see the ignorant, crazy, and desperate using it at least outside of Tevinter.

 

As long as Blood Magic is used with responsiblity it isn't "worse" than the other schools of magic. What's the difference between burning someone alive with a Fireball or draining them of their blood/life force? Both sound like miserable ways to die, and both should be punished if not done without just cause. The mind control part of it should have very serious punishments if caught. However with added research to blood magic more counter measures to Blood Magic such as the Litany of Andralla could possibly be developed to help stop things like mind control.

[SerCambria358]

I think it's only justified if you do not use the life force of others to fuel your spells, or use mind control. It may tear the veil each time no matter what, but so does war so 'meh'. 

But once one starts to sacrifice others, or start mind-controlling people, it starts to get unjustifiable. It just isn't right to go around slicin' up unwilling people because 'lulz I wanna be powerfulz' or something.

But, once one gets a taste of power, they likely won't stop.

Unless of course, they're your enemy. Then you can slice dem foolz and steal their life force. 

 

EDIT:  Geez so many posts appeared when I clicked 'post' D:

I would agree only if it wasnt so addicting, according to the Blood mages we've met, its not common that we find someone that can resist to the temptation of using other living things as a power source, then on top of that you have individuals who overestimate their control over things and individuals who take things much too far in the name of discovery (ex:again tevinter magister of the black city and Avernus)

[volaticus]

This is my opinion only,

 

I don't think that the mages are justified in using blood magic but seeing what happens in DAII, it appears that the use of blood magic is a backlash to the templars actions. They're not really taught how to use magic properly so the only power that they could use with successful results would be blood magic simply because with the blood itself enhances their power to fight against the nullfying powers that the templars have. 

 

To me blood magic is more a symptom of oppression than being inherently good or bad (in terms of what was seen in DAII not the Tevinter Magisters; for them, I just think of them as the extremist superior mage faction like Thalmor in Skyrim and Red Wizards of Thay in the Forgotten Realms series (IWD, NWN, BG, ect).

 

I do have to disagree with you because it is "essential" in some cases. Blood magic isn't just used by mages, but also the templars (hypocrites) and the gray wardens. For the templars the phylacteries they use to track magi are a form of blood magic, and blood magic is used in the gray warden ritual. These are the two cases where (in my opinion) one thing that "appears" to be a necessity and another that is a necessity.

 

As for blood mages themselves, again, I can agree that their ways are a little too unnecessary at times but at the same time, blood magic has been used in a progressive manner. Look up the Wardens Keep DLC for Dragon age Origins; I want this post to be mostly spoiler free.

[eyezonlyii]

This is my opinion only,

 

I don't think that the mages are justified in using blood magic but seeing what happens in DAII, it appears that the use of blood magic is a backlash to the templars actions. They're not really taught how to use magic properly so the only power that they could use with successful results would be blood magic simply because with the blood itself enhances their power to fight against the nullfying powers that the templars have. 

 

To me blood magic is more a symptom of oppression than being inherently good or bad (in terms of what was seen in DAII not the Tevinter Magisters; for them, I just think of them as the extremist superior mage faction like Thalmor in Skyrim and Red Wizards of Thay in the Forgotten Realms series (IWD, NWN, BG, ect).

 

I do have to disagree with you because it is "essential" in some cases. Blood magic isn't just used by mages, but also the templars (hypocrites) and the gray wardens. For the templars the phylacteries they use to track magi are a form of blood magic, and blood magic is used in the gray warden ritual. These are the two cases where (in my opinion) one thing that "appears" to be a necessity and another that is a necessity.

 

As for blood mages themselves, again, I can agree that their ways are a little too unnecessary at times but at the same time, blood magic has been used in a progressive manner. Look up the Wardens Keep DLC for Dragon age Origins; I want this post to be mostly spoiler free.

 

Essentially blood magic is fine so long as a mage isn't the one using it...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, let's see. Apparently it weakens the Veil whenever it's used, and then there's the temptation of using its darker aspects (which are pretty dark.) There's still threats that can justify using it, though. This potentially includes anything that might actually kill the mage, since as far as I can tell there's no cast-iron reason to believe this setting has an afterlife. Even if I'm wrong there (which is possible) there are still threats that can make life feel like hell for large numbers of people. These include the darkspawn (living under their rule is a fate worse than death for as long as it lasts), The Tevinters (who will use others for blood magic), and the Qunari. (Being forced to come to believe as they do would be hell, especially for the mage himself assuming he/she's allowed to live.) And these three threats could credibly bring enough power to bear to justify blood magic.

[Knight of Dane]

[falconlord5]

When it's used to track down rogue mages, apparently.

[Writ3Wing3r]

I do have to disagree with you because it is "essential" in some cases. Blood magic isn't just used by mages, but also the templars (hypocrites) and the gray wardens. For the templars the phylacteries they use to track magi are a form of blood magic, and blood magic is used in the gray warden ritual. These are the two cases where (in my opinion) one thing that "appears" to be a necessity and another that is a necessity.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that the use of blood in magic makes it blood magic, you have to use blood to power the spell for it to be blood magic. I am opposed to phylacteries so don't think I am trying to justify their existence, but I don't think the blood powers the spell, it just allows for the tracking.

 

The darkspawn blood used in the joining is magically altered, I don't think it is used to power the spell.

 

Edit: I was in fact wrong.

[SerCambria358]

I do have to disagree with you because it is "essential" in some cases. Blood magic isn't just used by mages, but also the templars (hypocrites) and the gray wardens. For the templars the phylacteries they use to track magi are a form of blood magic, and blood magic is used in the gray warden ritual. These are the two cases where (in my opinion) one thing that "appears" to be a necessity and another that is a necessity.

 

As for blood mages themselves, again, I can agree that their ways are a little too unnecessary at times but at the same time, blood magic has been used in a progressive manner. Look up the Wardens Keep DLC for Dragon age Origins; I want this post to be mostly spoiler free.

 

I agree to an extent, i would say blood magic in terms of its use with wardens is a necessity however for mages and templars it isnt. It can be progressive but at what cost? Look at the cost of the same example you made with the Wardens Keep DLC, templars dont necessarily NEED phylacteries, it just makes the job much easier