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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alright. You either kill, or you are a plant.

Yay! We reached an agreement. 

[KaiserShep]

But they can all do " normal magic " to defend themselves , why do they all go the blood magic way ?

 

This is assuming that the "normal magic" in question is working. If, say, a mage is cornered by multiple assailants, it may be possible for that mage's talents to be ineffective against the entire group. Either way, the ultimate goal of the mage is to either find a way to escape, or kill every last one of the attackers. In that situation, I'd probably find myself leaning toward the latter, and if blood magic works better, then that's exactly what I'd use. After all, dead is dead, regardless of how you made someone that way, so if you're going to do it, it's probably better to do it very quickly.

[TurretSyndrome]

Just something I would like to add. Besides Blood Magic, in DA:O, I found Entropy school to be pretty effed up. 

[Grieving Natashina]

If anyone is curious about the context of justification, I went by the pic on the OP.  The one showing the mages cornered with the Templars coming up over the hill at them.  When I wrote my post, I figured that was what SerCambria was referring to.

 

So I would figure this would be a do or die situation: Back against the wall, surrender means death and you have no where to run.  From there, I asked myself the question presented in the thread title.  

 

@Turret Entropy is pretty messed up, but a special mention must go to the Spirit school.  Walking Bomb is a pretty disturbing spell, and that's even before you make it virulent.  The Death Siphon sustained spell has it's own bit of creepiness, since it uses the entropic energy of corpses to refill a little of your health and mana. 

 

Hmm, perhaps instead of blood magic a mage would be better off studying the Spirit school.

[Samahl na Revas]

This is just my opinion.

 

The quote is borrowed, the source I cannot recall: "Yesterday's good maybe tomorrow's evil vice versa"

 

With that in mind I think blood magic is never justified if there is an alternative.

 

-Vague, yes, but this goes beyond a second perspective.

[TurretSyndrome]

@Turret Entropy is pretty messed up, but a special mention must go to the Spirit school.  Walking Bomb is a pretty disturbing spell, and that's even before you make it virulent.  The Death Siphon sustained spell has it's own bit of creepiness, since it uses the entropic energy of corpses to refill a little of your health and mana. 

 

Hmm, perhaps instead of blood magic a mage would be better off studying the Spirit school.

 

I forgot about the Spirit school. Just checked the wikia, the spell tree is called Death with the spells Walking bomb, Death Syphon, Virulent Walking bomb and Animate dead. Entropy is even worse with spells like Drain life, Curse of Mortality, Walking Nightmare and Death Cloud. 

 

Morrigan using it, doesn't look evil at all... 

 

[thetinyevil]

I think it is justified when the mage's back is against a wall and all their other magic has been taken from them. How else are they supposed to fight back against men and women with armor and swords? Besides for the mages who use blood magic it could be one of those I know I'm going to die so I'm going to take as many of you bastards with me as I can situations.

[KaiserShep]

I forgot about the Spirit school. Just checked the wikia, the spell tree is called Death with the spells Walking bomb, Death Syphon, Virulent Walking bomb and Animate dead. Entropy is even worse with spells like Drain life, Curse of Mortality, Walking Nightmare and Death Cloud. 

 

Morrigan using it, doesn't look evil at all... 

 

 

It's not evil when it's used on darkspawn, like using a knife on an armed combatant as opposed to using it on an innocent victim.

That said, that scene looks cool as hell. If only Morrigan looked anything like that in the game.

[DKJaigen]

I think it is justified when the mage's back is against a wall and all their other magic has been taken from them. How else are they supposed to fight back against men and women with armor and swords? Besides for the mages who use blood magic it could be one of those I know I'm going to die so I'm going to take as many of you bastards with me as I can situations.

 

Thats assuming that blood magics usefulness ends their. Considering the upcoming demon invasion bloodmagic maybe the only type of magic that can close fade ruptures.

[thetinyevil]

Thats assuming that blood magics usefulness ends their. Considering the upcoming demon invasion bloodmagic maybe the only type of magic that can close fade ruptures.

That is a possibility too.

[Fredward]

Depends. Blood magic seems geared towards abuse yah know? It gets more powerful the more of an ******* you are. But if someone is simply not interested in power in and of itself there is little reason not to use it. It's useful. If you only use your own blood or that of volunteers you can augment your spellcasting ability and use that for good purposes, it's like cheap lyrium. It helped Merrill cleanse the Eluvian ("cleanse" being used loosely) which would only have otherwise been possible with lots of lyrium, same with saving Connor. It's not automatically evil. It's just that it's really easy to be evil with it. In a perfect world you'd get like a blood magic license where if you've shown enough sanity/emotional stability you'd be allowed to use it at your discretion. As it stands I still think its use should be judged on an individual basis.

[TurretSyndrome]

It's not evil when it's used on darkspawn, like using a knife on an armed combatant as opposed to using it on an innocent victim.

That said, that scene looks cool as hell. If only Morrigan looked anything like that in the game.

 

Never said it was. Just made that gif to show Morrigan having fun there with it. 

[Fredward]

^ Er... isn't what she's using Walking Bomb?

[Mockingword]

Alright. You either kill, or you are a plant.

 

I feel like my biology is not strong enough to go deeper. 

There are parasitic plants and fungi that survive by taking the nutrients from their host plants, and this can involve killing the host.

 

And while most plant life forms may not "kill" directly, they do compete for the same resources. In thick jungles, the plants that grow tallest doom the others in their shadow.

 

Also, cordyceps. That is some horror movie **** right there. I mean, come on. Did nobody here play The Last of Us?

[Uccio]

Right on! Actually Hawke said it best in Inquisition. You can justify all you want, but in the end it's still wrong.

My Hawke said nothing of sort, being a blood mage himself. That dude was Bio's apologist.

[leaguer of one]

My Hawke said nothing of sort, being a blood mage himself. That dude was Bio's apologist.

How can anyone not say that after seeing what happen in da2 with it? Added, Hawke becoming a blood mage is never a plot not.

[leaguer of one]

Only weak and unskilled blood mages turn to blood magic. It's only justified in the most extreme of times, like during a blight.

[Unnamed]

Merill was my romance choice in Dragon Age 2. It is kind of weird to imagine her as a blood mage. But then again - everything is possible. You might look at blood magic in at least three aspects:
1.It is a tool of the absolutely desperate or of the power-hungry greedy maniacs, and just in special situatios. In both cases blood magic is not justified and the reasons they use it are wrong, after that of course the consequences are terrible. But they do use it and believe they can get away with it. But do not think of the consequences only, for me the reasons to use blood magic are far worse that what comes next /although naked reasons lead to nothing, consequences are what we see in fact/

2.Blood magic is great power. Respect power, control more and more people and aspects of life. So, it is just a tool, something normal for some mages, just like paid assassinations in Orleas or just like reaver style for Iron Bull. Blood magic might be seen as an empty tool, means to an end, the ones who use it are the problem, not the method itself. And for brave Tevinter magisters it is just a brave and difficult [and risky] way to go up,up,up. They know it might backfire but who cares... What matters is to be more powerful now, OR to achieve a certain goal. Cowards might as well stay at home and plant elfroot.

3. Blood magic might be also viewed in the way Solas sees it. It is kind of a neutral view.

[Laughing_Man]

Only weak and unskilled blood mages turn to blood magic. It's only justified in the most extreme of times, like during a blight.

 

What the hell is the connection between skill and blood magic? It's just another power source & magic type.

Not every mage is powerful enough to defend himself from Templar spells, should he just run into the sword of the nearest rouge Templar?

 

Conversely, a skilled mage can use the boost of a a little bit his own blood to make a regular spell into a spectacular one.

 

Blood Magic is just another type of magic. It can be useful for mages of all skill levels.

The morality comes into it only when you use the more sinister side of blood magic: like mind-control and sacrifice.

[leaguer of one]

What the hell is the connection between skill and blood magic? It's just another power source & magic type.

Not every mage is powerful enough to defend himself from Templar spells, should he just run into the sword of the nearest rouge Templar?

 

Conversely, a skilled mage can use the boost of a a little bit his own blood to make a regular spell into a spectacular one.

 

Blood Magic is just another type of magic. It can be useful for mages of all skill levels.

The morality comes into it only when you use the more sinister side of blood magic: like mind-control and sacrifice.

Because skill is about alternatives. Power is something different. It like saying because everyone can't be a power hitter naturally in boxing then that means people should use steroids to keep up, ignoring the fact that a person use speed and counters to win fights.

 

Sorry, but it is the case that the weak only resort to blood magic normally. That was the entire reason kirkwall circle turned to blood magic, they were weaker then the templer and felt they need to the power to survive. Their for getting their many tactics a mage can use to take down templer the issue is no one there know how to fight or be a battle mage.

 

Blood magic is a tool but it an unnecessary one that is normally unneeded. 

[KainD]

Because skill is about alternatives. Power is something different. It like saying because everyone can't be a power hitter naturally in boxing then that means people should use steroids to keep up.

And a natural talented power hitter will hit even harder on steroids.

[dragonflight288]

This is just my opinion.

 

The quote is borrowed, the source I cannot recall: "Yesterday's good maybe tomorrow's evil vice versa"

 

With that in mind I think blood magic is never justified if there is an alternative.

 

-Vague, yes, but this goes beyond a second perspective.

 

What about the Grey Warden Joining ritual? Phylacteries? These are forms of blood magic. 

 

Blood magic seems to have a different definition based on the person talking about it. Some poster feel as Tevinter feels that using your own blood or that of a willing participant is a-ok, while others feel any blood magic in any form is wrong. And sometimes people in the game, and out of it sometimes as well, take something that isn't blood magic and apply the rules because they either do not understand it or whatnot.

 

For example, in Origins the codex entry on apostates says that the templars and chantry blur the definition of maleficarum and apostate so they seem one and the same, when one is a blood mage and the other is simply a mage who doesn't go to a Circle and may not be a blood mage at all.

 

Heck, Tome of the Mortal Vessel's item description in Origins outright says that many people ban anatomical studies because they fear it is blood magic. 

[Uccio]

Only weak and unskilled blood mages turn to blood magic. It's only justified in the most extreme of times, like during a blight.

 

Tevinter Imperium begs to differ. Only Chantry, Templars and mundanes cry about blood magic. Specifically the people who know nothing about it. The Imperium has stood for millenias and used blood magic, guided by mages. Still going strong.

 

Sure it has it problems, butch which power doesn´t? For example nuclear power. It provides a lot of energy, but the down turn is a radiating waste which last for how many thousands of years, even hundreds of thousands. People still use it though.

[Bigdoser]

Only weak and unskilled blood mages turn to blood magic. It's only justified in the most extreme of times, like during a blight.

Well actually from a lore standpoint Tevinter and Nevarra(Mortalitasi) are the only guys who are pushing the limits of magic. Heck tevinter understands old elven forms of magic but they must be unskilled because they use blood magic right? 

 

Blood magic is a valid the problem is when you get into mind control and blood sacrifices.