What if Ernest Hemingway held a shotgun gun to your head and told you the only way he would let you live is to perform a blood magic parlor trick?
In that case a threat had been made against your life, and you would be free to defend yourself. Without blood magic.
Not even when a mage has no other way to survive, because Templars are hunting them simply for wanting to not be caged?
Especially not then, when they aren't thinking clearly, and are letting base instinct dictate their decisions. Desperation is not a conducive situation for clear thinking.
What if Ernest Hemingway held a shotgun gun to your head and told you the only way he would let you live is to perform a blood magic parlor trick?
Then you use an enthropic spell to paralyze him and take the gun from his hand...
Man being a mage must be really awesome!
Why do you believe that Fenris' core beliefs were overwritten? He can be driven to fight for the mages by Hawke reasoning such actions as fighting against slavery/opression. Or he can simply aid Hawke because he's loyal. This same Hawke can be a slave owning, Feynreil sacrificing, demon dealing maleficar. Fenris will likely always hate mages. The fact that he's able to overlook all of this just for a minute is in my opinion impactful. Not to mention his rivalmance with said apostate Hawke.
Your elaboration on the Arishok is exactly my point. It is not that easy to simply sum up some characters as you initally did with Fenris, though you may disagree as it pertains to the little wolf.
And I don't think it is impactful in the slightest. it is a sign of how unwilling BioWare is to force actual decisions when it comes to companions.
What if Ernest Hemingway held a shotgun gun to your head and told you the only way he would let you live is to perform a blood magic parlor trick?
Then I'll let him deal with the bear.
What if Ernest Hemingway held a shotgun gun to your head and told you the only way he would let you live is to perform a blood magic parlor trick?
We all know which head Hemingway pointed a shotgun at
IMO,the Arishok is simply the Arishok, he just spews crap about the Qun. He complains pretty much about the same thing. It never felt like an in-depth analysis, it was just whining about how the Qun is so much better.
Characters don't really need to have a metric ton of layers to be well written, though.
But I do agree the Arishok is a good rep of the Qun. That much, at least, is apparent.
This is so off topic
Then i guess its just a matter of opinion and how you take what he says. He always has something to say, that at the core of it, is true, the only reason no one outside of the Qun would follow it is because it means sacrificing freedom of choice.
Ex:
"There actions mere symptoms, your society is the disease"
"Look at you. Like fat Dathrasi you feed, and feed, and complain only when your meal is interrupted. You do not look up. You do not see that the grass is bare. All you leave in your wake is misery. You are blind; I will make you see!"
Then there's the conversation you can have with him asking about the Qun, he trust me, he definitely analyzes why their societies are different, its up to you whether you like it or not. I agree that characters dont need tons of layers to be a good character but, it helps and in regards to Fenris, he was associated with being dull by a significant amount of people because he lacked any complexity
We all know which head Hemingway pointed a shotgun at
Especially not then, when they aren't thinking clearly, and are letting base instinct dictate their decisions. Desperation is not a conducive situation for clear thinking.
Well, when you're being hunted by some dudes who want to kill you or emotionally decapitate you for not wanting to live in their prison, you don't have much choice. I also don't think the Templars are thinking very clearly either, they're hunting a dangerous escaped prisoner.
What if a bear walked in the front door and you were armed with nothing but your knickers?
Not good enough. The mere fact that blood magic is an option makes bears a near complete non-threat, since you're a mage.
Especially not then, when they aren't thinking clearly, and are letting base instinct dictate their decisions. Desperation is not a conducive situation for clear thinking.
How does that cancel out the fact that they're probably going to die, and in a setting with no obviously apparent afterlife?
Well, when you're being hunted by some dudes who want to kill you or emotionally decapitate you for not wanting to live in their prison, you don't have much choice. I also don't think the Templars are thinking very clearly either, they're hunting a dangerous escaped prisoner.
How does that cancel out the fact that they're probably going to die, and in a setting with no obviously apparent afterlife?
Then i guess its just a matter of opinion and how you take what he says. He always has something to say, that at the core of it, is true, the only reason no one outside of the Qun would follow it is because it means sacrificing freedom of choice.
Ex:
"There actions mere symptoms, your society is the disease"
"Look at you. Like fat Dathrasi you feed, and feed, and complain only when your meal is interrupted. You do not look up. You do not see that the grass is bare. All you leave in your wake is misery. You are blind; I will make you see!"
Then there's the conversation you can have with him asking about the Qun, he trust me, he definitely analyzes why their societies are different, its up to you whether you like it or not. I agree that characters dont need tons of layers to be a good character but, it helps and in regards to Fenris, he was associated with being dull by a significant amount of people because he lacked any complexity
Doesn't seem they're looking hard enough. Fenris has a lot to say as well. Even upon first meeting him he proclaims that "I'm not blind, I know that magic has its uses and there are undoubtedly mages with good intentions".
You can choose to simplify it into "I hate mages" and end the story there, just as you can simplify the Arishok to "The Qun". The point being that characters that might appear simple or easy, are not always so.
Well looks like me and a farmer have more in common then the libertarians would have you believe.
Went right over my head.
Then i guess its just a matter of opinion and how you take what he says. He always has something to say, that at the core of it, is true, the only reason no one outside of the Qun would follow it is because it means sacrificing freedom of choice.
Ex:
"There actions mere symptoms, your society is the disease"
"Look at you. Like fat Dathrasi you feed, and feed, and complain only when your meal is interrupted. You do not look up. You do not see that the grass is bare. All you leave in your wake is misery. You are blind; I will make you see!"
Says the guy with dictatorial control over a third of his people and is more than willing to kill anyone who disagrees.
What if a blood mage made you blood mage, no justification off with your head!
What if a blood mage made you blood mage, no justification off with your head!
Nice Queen of Hearts impression there. 
Then i guess its just a matter of opinion and how you take what he says. He always has something to say, that at the core of it, is true, the only reason no one outside of the Qun would follow it is because it means sacrificing freedom of choice.
Ex:
"There actions mere symptoms, your society is the disease"
"Look at you. Like fat Dathrasi you feed, and feed, and complain only when your meal is interrupted. You do not look up. You do not see that the grass is bare. All you leave in your wake is misery. You are blind; I will make you see!"
Then there's the conversation you can have with him asking about the Qun, he trust me, he definitely analyzes why their societies are different, its up to you whether you like it or not. I agree that characters dont need tons of layers to be a good character but, it helps and in regards to Fenris, he was associated with being dull by a significant amount of people because he lacked any complexity
Those quotes are just a different way of saying "the Qun is better". Though you have your opinion, I have mine. Agree to disagree?
And in regards to the bolded, that just seems like the typical case of not listening to what a character says. 'Tis why I'm tired of hearing all the hate directed at Fenris, because for the most part the haters just don't pay attention. At all.
Everyone has opinions though. It's what makes the world go 'round... I guess.
EDIT: Maker, I need to type faster. So many posts appeared when I clicked post D:
Says the guy with dictatorial control over a third of his people and is more than willing to kill anyone who disagrees.
Yes, but the Arishok is meant to use his power for the good of his subordinates, and mentally trained to have no desire other than that. So, he has some right to call out leaders who he sees not doing that, though I think he went a bit overboard.
What if a blood mage made you blood mage, no justification off with your head!
So they're vampires now? I hope to god that sparkle is just an arcane shield.
If it's not, I'll get the pitchforks and torches.
Yes, but the Arishok is meant to use his power for the good of his subordinates, and mentally trained to have no desire other than that. So, he has some right to call out leaders who he sees not doing that, though I think he went a bit overboard.
He was also trained to see anything that didn't follow the Qun or some facet of it as inferior. But he was right that Kirkwall was a haven of corruption.
If it's not, I'll get the pitchforks and torches.
Probably a good idea either way.
Edit: Actually, enough vampires might actually be a justification for blood magic in this setting. Since they gain hunger based powers due to being humans with demons inside them. (Of course, regular blood magic doesn't seem to work well against demons. At least according to Avernus.)
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