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[Zelanthair]

I personally don't like blood magic. However, I also don't think the Templars should be completely governing mages' lives. If they ban blood magic, they should ban it completely. Them using phylacteries is blood magic, but it's deemed okay because it serves a purpose for them.

[Writ3Wing3r]

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem

I don't believe someone being a fanatic willing to kill anyone who disagrees with them is ever irrelevant.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't believe someone being a fanatic willing to kill anyone who disagrees with them is ever irrelevant.

As far as whether or not what they're saying is true, it very well can be. Though there's another fallacy for claiming that this tendency makes what they say more credible.

[Lorien19]

I personally don't like blood magic. However, I also don't think the Templars should be completely governing mages' lives. If they ban blood magic, they should ban it completely. Them using phylacteries is blood magic, but it's deemed okay because it serves a purpose for them.

I agree...It's hypocritical to say the least.

Besides,I believe that the circle system would be successful only if it resembled an educational institution,rather than a prison,where the mages could leave the circle freely when their apprenticeship was over.But this is a discussion for another time and another topic...

[SerCambria358]

I personally don't like blood magic. However, I also don't think the Templars should be completely governing mages' lives. If they ban blood magic, they should ban it completely. Them using phylacteries is blood magic, but it's deemed okay because it serves a purpose for them.

To be fair on your point about phylactries, there arent any cases of demon possession nor people dying as a result of using one

[Writ3Wing3r]

As far as whether or not what they're saying is true, it very well can be. Though there's another fallacy for claiming that this tendency makes what they say more credible.

Its not an issue of credibility for me, I simply choose to ignore them, unless they wont allow themselves to be ignored.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

To be fair on your point about phylactries, there arent any cases of demon possession nor people dying as a result of using one

But, it's still hypocritical. Necessary in a sense, but hypocritical. 

It's a case of blood magic that is justifiable, from a certain point of view.

 

(though everything is justifiable from a certain point of view....)

[SerCambria358]

But, it's still hypocritical. Necessary in a sense, but hypocritical. 

It's a case of blood magic that is justifiable, from a certain point of view.

 

(though everything is justifiable from a certain point of view....)

True true that i wont deny

[SerCambria358]

Its not an issue of credibility for me, I simply choose to ignore them, unless they wont allow themselves to be ignored.

That by definition is just being arrogant, you have the capacity to listen and view anothers perspective but out of some false sense of superiority decide that even if that individual is correct, you wont pay attention only because they are an authoritative figure,  where does your hatred of authority come from?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That by definition is just being arrogant, you have the capacity to listen and view anothers perspective but out of some false sense of superiority decide that even if that individual is correct, you wont pay attention only because they are an authoritative figure,  where does your hatred of authority come from?

If I understand him correctly it's not strictly the authority, so much as the society he has authority in. Though that's not any more logically valid, of course.

[Senya]

Phylacteries are necessary. I'd label them as the exception that proves the rule. Generally, Blood Magic is an evil branch of magic because it is powered by pain and death, is quite addictive, and thins the Veil. It is not justified as a means of defending yourself or as a weapon for war. I do not know of any type of research where blood magic is necessary except for, perhaps, managing the Taint.

[Writ3Wing3r]

That by definition is just being arrogant, you have the capacity to listen and view anothers perspective but out of some false sense of superiority decide that even if that individual is correct, you wont pay attention only because they are an authoritative figure,  where does your hatred of authority come from?

Its not an issue of his being an authority figure but because he is an authoritarian, its his way or no way if the Qun was voluntary, if one could reject their role without fear of reprisal, if they didn't conquer to spread the Qun then I would take his opinion into account.

[Zelanthair]

To be fair on your point about phylactries, there arent any cases of demon possession nor people dying as a result of using one

 

That you know of.

 

Spoiler

We're also told in the game that the Tranquil are immune to demonic possession since their link to the fade is 'broken'. In Asunder, this is proven false. The Right of Tranquility only makes them undesirable to demonic possession. Also, if a Tranquil lets a demon (or even a spirit such as Justice or Faith) into them, then their link to the fade is restored.  That's why (what I think, anyway), when Anders went into Justice-mode in the Chantry, Karl came back to his senses temporarily.

 

Just because things haven't been touched on yet, it doesn't mean that it never happens. You're correct that it seems like it's simply a gun in their hands, but it is still blood magic.

[SerCambria358]

Its not an issue of his being an authority figure but because he is an authoritarian, its his way or no way if the Qun was voluntary, if one could reject their role without fear of reprisal, if they didn't conquer to spread the Qun then I would take his opinion into account.

That doesnt change what im saying though, despite your disapproval of the Qun, that doesnt take away the legitimacy of his opinion. Im completely against Joseph Stalin and what he stood for, but i can still agree with him that Hitler was the real enemy 

[SerCambria358]

That you know of.

 

Spoiler

We're also told in the game that the Tranquil are immune to demonic possession since their link to the fade is 'broken'. In Asunder, this is proven false. The Right of Tranquility only makes them undesirable to demonic possession. Also, if a Tranquil lets a demon (or even a spirit such as Justice or Faith) into them, then their link to the fade is restored.  That's why (what I think, anyway), when Anders went into Justice-mode in the Chantry, Karl came back to his senses temporarily.

 

Just because things haven't been touched on yet, it doesn't mean that it never happens. You're correct that it seems like it's simply a gun in their hands, but it is still blood magic.

Oooh thats a good point, interesting if that showed up in DA:I imagine if we had the choice of using a phylactery. The pro mage character might turn it down since it represents what was wrong with the circle while making the mission harder. Just a random thought lol not to be taken seriously 

[Writ3Wing3r]

That doesnt change what im saying though, despite your disapproval of the Qun, that doesnt take away the legitimacy of his opinion. Im completely against Joseph Stalin and what he stood for, but i can still agree with him that Hitler was the real enemy 

Both were the real enemy one just made more sense to fight first, and I'm perfectly capable of coming to that conclusion without taking in the opinion of Stalin.

[Senya]

If there's a pro-mage character like Anders, that will be the least of his objections to my Inquisitor.

[SerCambria358]

Both were the real enemy one just made more sense to fight first, and I'm perfectly capable of coming to that conclusion without taking in the opinion of Stalin.

Not really considering stalin didnt pursue world domination vs hitler, yes Stalin was an awful person but him living didnt effect the world as much as if hitler survived to rule again. But back to the point, it doesnt matter whether you could figure that out on your own, the point is it doesnt make his opinion wrong just because i oppose everything he stood for

[Writ3Wing3r]

Not really considering stalin didnt pursue world domination vs hitler, yes Stalin was an awful person but him living didnt effect the world as much as if hitler survived to rule again. But back to the point, it doesnt matter whether you could figure that out on your own, the point is it doesnt make his opinion wrong just because i oppose everything he stood for

Tell that to Poland, Hungary, Romania and pretty much all of eastern Europe. Anyway I'm not saying the opinion is right or wrong, just that I don't take it into account.

[SerCambria358]

Tell that to Poland, Hungary, Romania and pretty much all of eastern Europe. Anyway I'm not saying the opinion is right or wrong, just that I don't take it into account.

Im done here

[Writ3Wing3r]

Im done here

I enjoyed our conversation while it lasted, thank you.

[LobselVith8]

Im done here

A 'Luther' version of the Inquisitor would be interesting.

[SerCambria358]

A 'Luther' version of the Inquisitor would be interesting.

This is more my style

[LobselVith8]

This is more my style

I can see that for a rebellion. "Tomorrow you claim what is rightfully yours."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair on your point about phylactries, there arent any cases of demon possession nor people dying as a result of using one

...with the exceptions of all the runaway mages who didn't want to go back after being tracked down.