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[EmissaryofLies]

All the love in this thread is making me blush .

[Grieving Natashina]

All the love in this thread is making me blush .

Hit the Blood Magic thread.  That'll kill the glow. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I figure the Tranquil Proprietor for the Wonders of Thedas would be pretty miffed about the current Crisis you know what with his goods coming from the circle enchanters, if there is no longer any goods coming from the circle because it doesn't exist, his shop closes down.

 

Poor guy, One innocent tranquil doomed because mages got too lippy one day.

[EmissaryofLies]

I figure the Tranquil Proprietor for the Wonders of Thedas would be pretty miffed about the current Crisis you know what with his goods coming from the circle enchanters, if there is no longer any goods coming from the circle because it doesn't exist, his shop closes down.

 

Poor guy, One innocent tranquil doomed because mages got too lippy one day.

 

I'm sure he'll be paralyzed with fear and doubt as to what to do next...Wait a minute....

[Grieving Natashina]

I figure the Tranquil Proprietor for the Wonders of Thedas would be pretty miffed about the current Crisis you know what with his goods coming from the circle enchanters, if there is no longer any goods coming from the circle because it doesn't exist, his shop closes down.

 

Poor guy, One innocent tranquil doomed because mages got too lippy one day.

Has the EU stated the condition of Ferelden's Circles post Asunder?  We don't know if things are that bad there.  The "Chantry Circle Crisis" seems to have varied some from country to country.   Some countries were a lot more affected by this than others.

 

We really shouldn't assume the shopkeeper is out of business.  We don't have enough information to state this in absolutes.

[Master Warder Z_]

Has the EU stated the condition of Ferelden's Circles post Asunder?  We don't know if things are that bad there.  The "Chantry Circle Crisis" seems to have varied some from country to country.   Some countries were a lot more affected by this than others.

 

We really shouldn't assume the shopkeeper is out of business.  We don't have enough information to state this in absolutes.

 

Mmm i suppose not, but it seems like a fairly safe assumption, even if Irving isn't actively engaging the Templars it doesn't mean he is willing to payroll the Chantry anymore with circle enchantment.

 

But you know i actually thought about him, Our first interaction with a Tranquil outside of the circle and boom he gets railroaded by mages.

 

:/ I will end the rebellion for him!

[Grieving Natashina]

Mmm i suppose not, but it seems like a fairly safe assumption, even if Irving isn't actively engaging the Templars it doesn't mean he is willing to payroll the Chantry anymore with circle enchantment.

 

But you know i actually thought about him, Our first interaction with a Tranquil outside of the circle and boom he gets railroaded by mages.

 

:/ I will end the rebellion for him!

...You can't speak for what the shopkeeper wants either.  He may have friends that he's helping with the rebellion effort.  We just don't know.  We can guess and assume, but without WoG most of this is head cannon on both of our parts.

 

Oh, I forgot to say g'afternoon to the BSN:

 

[EmissaryofLies]

Curse you for making me think of Fox and the Hound, I shall not forget this Natashina!

[LobselVith8]

Seeing as if he did try to warn Wynne he would've been killed

 

Owain went downstairs, encountered the barrier that was being erected by Wynne's efforts, and then went back upstairs. There's no indication given that alerting Wynne to his presence would have gotten him killed; no one says as much, including Wynne, who wonders aloud why Owain didn't alter her to his presence instead of returning to the storage room to clean in the middle of an abomination outbreak.

 

While we are at it, there are a couple of Tranquil that are hiding right near the steps leading up the 3rd level (I think.)  They do say, once the abomination is dead, "Thank you, I did not wish to die."  I think this was on the floor right below where Freddy Kruger  I mean Sloth was waiting.

 

They aren't hiding; you can rescue two tranquil (although I've heard it's three on the PC) by killing the abomination quick enough; otherwise, they (apparently) are turned into enemies who attack you.

[Grieving Natashina]

Curse you for making me think of Fox and the Hound, I shall not forget this Natashina!

Aww, I'm sorry.  That movie made me cry too!  I just own a basset, so I wanted to share the love.

[Master Warder Z_]

Owain went downstairs, encountered the barrier that was being erected by Wynne's efforts, and then went back upstairs. There's no indication given that alerting Wynne to his presence would have gotten him killed; no one says as much, including Wynne, who wonders aloud why Owain didn't alter her to his presence instead of returning to the storage room to clean in the middle of an abomination outbreak.

 

Maybe it had something to do with the Horde of Demons, Abominations and possessed corpses? In the way of the Barrier

[Grieving Natashina]

Maybe it had something to do with the Horde of Demons, Abominations and possessed corpses? In the way of the Barrier

LOL Good point.

[LobselVith8]

Maybe it had something to do with the Horde of Demons, Abominations and possessed corpses? In the way of the Barrier

 

I'm addressing what's actually in the narrative. Owain says he encountered the barrier, and then returned to the stockroom. That's the reason why Wynne asks why he didn't bother to simply let her know he was on the other side once he encountered the barrier.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm addressing what's actually in the narrative. Owain says he encountered the barrier, and then returned to the stockroom. That's the reason why Wynne asks why he didn't bother to simply let her know he was on the other side once he encountered the barrier.

And then it circles right back into why he went into the stockroom rather than calling out for Wynne: He chose to be there because it felt safe.

[Iron Fist]

The tranquil will become philosopher-kings and philosopher-queens and lead both sides into battle! 

[Master Warder Z_]

And then it circles right back into why he went into the stockroom rather than calling out for Wynne: He chose to be there because it felt safe.

 

Safer then banging on a magical wall in a room filled with demons anyway  

[Grieving Natashina]

Safer then banging on a magical wall in a room filled with demons anyway

That doesn't take a lack of emotions to see why staying somewhere that has less demons was a good idea.

 

 Besides, I think Owain could have very well put himself into further danger by calling out.  I think he knew that and that's why he decided to stay in the store room.

[LobselVith8]

LOL Good point.

 

How exactly is it a "good point" when it's never even insinuated in the narrative as the reason Owain returned to the storeroom?

 

And then it circles right back into why he went into the stockroom rather than calling out for Wynne: He chose to be there because it felt safe.

 

Which, apparently, leads me to be the person in this thread who thinks it's problematic that someone would clean rather than either (A.) alert the mage on the other side of a magical barrier to let him inside the room, or (B.) hide so that no abominations or possessed templars find him.

[Master Warder Z_]

B.) hide so that no abominations or possessed templars find him.

 

You mean exactly what he did in the anteroom of the second floor?

 

There were blood mages just across the way mind you, but they were so preoccupied trying to loot their former home they wouldn't have noticed one of themselves turning into an abomination...oh wait.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think Z's point was valid.  I do think the amount of demons, abominations and shades running amok is why Owain felt safe where he was.   Why else would he have stayed?  Although I think the Tranquil are easily led, they aren't robots.  There obviously wasn't any demons in the stockroom.  I'd consider that hiding in a safe place.

 

As for the rest, see my previous post.

 

Edit: Please, no one try to spin my words to look like I support Tranquilization.  I don't, but I stick by my stance.

[LobselVith8]

Safer then banging on a magical wall in a room filled with demons anyway

 

I take you actually have some dialogue to address that there were demons in the room, since absolutely no one even infers as much regarding Owain's reason for not altering anyone?

[AresKeith]

How exactly is it a "good point" when it's never even insinuated in the narrative as the reason Owain returned to the storeroom?

 

Common sense?

[LobselVith8]

Common sense?

 

If it was common sense, Wynne wouldn't have asked aloud why Owain didn't simply let her know he was on the other side.

[Iron Fist]

I think the tranquil would make effective leaders of either side. It seems they are less likely to make hasty decisions. Survival remains a priority for them.

 

However, one could argue that their lack of emotions is actually a hindrance.

[Master Warder Z_]

I take you actually have some dialogue to address that there were demons in the room, since absolutely no one even infers as much regarding Owain's reason for not altering anyone?

 

He stated he encountered a barrier, not under what circumstance he encountered it under, perhaps he merely saw it from across the room, Perhaps he was right up on it and staring at how it stupidly glowed blue.

 

Anyway, Your hypothesis relays upon just as much speculation as my own given that we weren't there when Owain came upon the barrier and therefore we have to go by his rather vague description of events.