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[Zazzerka]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Through nagical, non-Origin places, called XBL and PSN! 

Though, truthfully, I will likely have an Origin account, and a copy of ME 3 for PC, eventually. My systemic takeover of all things ME 3 is a slow, labourious process!

Dood, you have one now. That email you use to log into this website, that's your Origin account. Try logging into the client with it, your mind will be blown.

[Br3admax]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As far as blocking Origin accounts, well, interesting theory. I don't have an Origin account, so I guess my punishment would be less severe than everyone else's? Doesn't seem like a fair solution.

Wait...how? How do you play ME3? How do you even post here? 

Through magical, non-Origin places, called XBL and PSN! 

Though, truthfully, I will likely have an Origin account, and a copy of ME 3 for PC, eventually. My systemic takeover of all things ME 3 is a slow, labourious process!

Jeremiah, I hate to break this to you, but EA just made an Origins account for you and tied it to your Xbox(I think you said last I asked.) Live account. The email you used for that is your Origins account, dude. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Br3ad wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

As far as blocking Origin accounts, well, interesting theory. I don't have an Origin account, so I guess my punishment would be less severe than everyone else's? Doesn't seem like a fair solution.

Wait...how? How do you play ME3? How do you even post here? 

Through magical, non-Origin places, called XBL and PSN! 

Though, truthfully, I will likely have an Origin account, and a copy of ME 3 for PC, eventually. My systemic takeover of all things ME 3 is a slow, labourious process!

Jeremiah, I hate to break this to you, but EA just made an Origins account for you and tied it to your Xbox(I think you said last I asked.) Live account. The email you used for that is your Origins account, dude. 

That may have been done without my knowledge (Google has certainly done something similar) however, there is no record of my agreeing to any terms of use, nor are they permitted to tie it to my XBL account without my consent (I'm pretty sure they can't even do that with my consent.) Whatever Origin account does exist, it doesn't have a username, a ToS check, nor has it been activated.

Which would make blocking my access to it as a consequence of my BSN behaviour a little pointless! Which was what I was getting at in my response.

EDIT: I just checked. There's no Origin account under my e-mail or username. If they did make one, they used a different e-mail address.

[AresKeith]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Thinking about it, you (and pretty much everyone else) would just delete anyone they didn't like from their threads. Then again, that might just cut down on arguments, so that sort of solution might not be as bad as it seems at first. I think you got a decent solution there, Sevial (despite the fact that you'd block me for being a troll, though I'm not).

That's still a terrible idea

Oh?

Adding on to what Dream was saying, that completely ruins the purpose of a public forum. All people like Seival is pretty much gonna delete every post that disagrees with their view.

We need better moderation from the mods, reporting a post shouldn't = lock a thread. (Though if an entire thread is filled with spam then I can somewhat understand)

@Seival they already stated that group aren't being cut

[Br3admax]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

That may have been done without my knowledge (Google has certainly done something similar) however, there is no record of my agreeing to any terms of use, nor are they permitted to tie it to my XBL account without my consent (I'm pretty sure they can't even do that with my consent.) Whatever Origin account does exist, it doesn't have a username, a ToS check, nor has it been activated.

Which would make blocking my access to it as a consequence of my BSN behaviour a little pointless! Which was what I was getting at in my response.

EDIT: I just checked. There's no Origin account under my e-mail or username. If they did make one, they used a different e-mail address.

Any account made for an EA game was upgraded to an Origins account as well months ago. Don't know why it's not the same for you, because it's a little weird for it to have not happened. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Br3ad wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

That may have been done without my knowledge (Google has certainly done something similar) however, there is no record of my agreeing to any terms of use, nor are they permitted to tie it to my XBL account without my consent (I'm pretty sure they can't even do that with my consent.) Whatever Origin account does exist, it doesn't have a username, a ToS check, nor has it been activated.

Which would make blocking my access to it as a consequence of my BSN behaviour a little pointless! Which was what I was getting at in my response.

EDIT: I just checked. There's no Origin account under my e-mail or username. If they did make one, they used a different e-mail address.

Any account made for an EA game was upgraded to an Origins account as well months ago. Don't know why it's not the same for you, because it's a little weird for it to have not happened. 

As I said, they may well have created the account - they just didn't do it using the e-mail address for my Xbox Live account.

If Microsoft had disclosed my XBL E-mail address to EA without my permission, I would be taking action in a heartbeat.

I didn't check on my PSN accounts - I have several - but I'm fairly sure Sony doesn't disclose e-mail addresses to EA, either (unless the hackers were involved.)

So, whatever they have, they can do whatever they want to it, since I've never touched it or activated it. If I want one, I can simply create another, which I will undoubtedly do when the time comes, regardless (I'll want to decide the username for myself.)

[Seival]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Seival wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Seival wrote...

Since moderators prefer to close entire threads because of posts like this:
http://social.biowar...1123/3#17821579
instead of removing the spam reply and punishing the spammer, it would be nice to have an option to prohibit particular users from participation in threads you create. Or an option to moderate your own threads.

That option exists.

Create a group. Invite the people you are interested in hearing from. Don't invite the people you don't want to hear from. Start the thread in there.

It doesn't even take any particular effort. The bulk of the steps could be accomplished in ten minutes.

By contrast, upending the way BSN works as a public forum, simply so you can pick and choose who is allowed to reply seems like a terrible idea, and I definitely would not want to see any changes that reflected that kind of system.

Unfortunately, groups will soon be removed from BSN, so this is not an option anymore. And even groups didn't fully fix the environment in the rest of BSN. Harsh moderation, that includes possibility of blocking Origin account as a punishment for spamming and saying something rude looks quite attractive, and doesn't break basic people rights.

On what basis are you saying that groups are being removed? Was there an announcement? I've seen nothing to that effect.

And I never said groups were intended to fix the environment of BSN - I don't even know how that would supposedly work... or what it has to do with what I actually said.

I said that if you don't want certain people to post in your threads, create a group for that purpose. In spite of your assertion, that option does exist, and there isn't any indication that it won't, for the foreseeable future.

As far as blocking Origin accounts, well, interesting theory. I don't have an Origin account, so I guess my punishment would be less severe than everyone else's? Doesn't seem like a fair solution.

Is this perhaps because you think this entire system is somehow unfair to you? That extra punishment should be given to those whom you believe have wronged you?

I've had threads that explain how to fix bugs in ME 3 locked by mods, simply because people added discussion to them months after they were created. A thread like that can't simply be re-made without having to go back and fix all the links in other threads, or in the Resource Library. I would say that is an issue that might be worth addressing.

Your thread, locked for Spider Man spam, could simply be re-created, without much consequence. I don't see that as being a major concern for BSN.

Aren't groups supposed to be removed with blogs and albums?

I don't want to re-create my thread after it was locked because of someone spammed there. I want the thread to be cleared from the spam and re-opened. Quite fair request. It wasn't my fault the thread was locked. And what will stop the same spammers from spamming in the re-created thread? Were the spammers from that thread banned? Did they at least recieve warning from moderator? I'm not sure about that... If moderator at least gave detailed description of reasons for closing and consequences for spammers. But he/she didn't.

Maybe the best solution is to hire more moderators and give them all required admin rights. But will they be able to track everything and react with more flexibility than right now? I know one thing almost for sure - if forum ban will also prevent user from having access to any BioWare online features and content, number of spammers will be reduced to zero in no time, while polite users will never notice anything negative with such rule applied.

[Mr.House]

Your EA account is your Origin account.

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

Your EA account is your Origin account.

This, in fact, when you started your first EA game, on your Xbox, it states that you must create the Origins/EA account to even play online, you then gave them the email yourself. It's the same account that you gave EA to login here. It's not necessarily the same email you gave Microsoft, considering my accounts use two different ones, it's the one you gave EA to access online services. 

[spirosz]

A lot of the people here who do tend to "spam" for the giggles tend to be quite the positive people and enjoy having a good time once in a while, when BSN tends to be... quite dead at certain moments. The reason I'm friends with them is because they bring a good atmosphere, regardless if we're involved in a serious discussion, which happens very often or having little fun moments with some ".gifs".

This place would turn more "toxic" if we were to be given control of who gets to post in our threads or not. Also, this place isn't even that bad, I still laugh at that term being used and a polite user can be a "spammer" the two don't have to be separate from each other.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
Aren't groups supposed to be removed with blogs and albums?

I don't want to re-create my thread after it was locked because of someone spammed there. I want the thread to be cleared from the spam and re-opened. Quite fair request. It wasn't my fault the thread was locked. And what will stop the same spammers from spamming in the re-created thread? Were the spammers from that thread banned? Did they at least recieve warning from moderator? I'm not sure about that... If moderator at least gave detailed description of reasons for closing and consequences for spammers. But he/she didn't.

Maybe the best solution is to hire more moderators and give them all required admin rights. But will they be able to track everything and react with more flexibility than right now? I know one thing almost for sure - if forum ban will also prevent user from having access to any BioWare online features and content, number of spammers will be reduced to zero in no time, while polite users will never notice anything negative with such rule applied.

No groups aren't being taken out, the admins never said they planned on removing them like blogs or albums a few people just feared that they would. Only word from the admins has been that at the moment they continue to plan on supporitng the groups though they might be tweaking the existing format.

Maybe the spam pics weren't even the sole reason your thread was locked either, maybe the topic itself was considered spam considering you just made it up and did very little to actually stimulate discusiion other than basically keep repeating yourself.
 
As per your other request allow me to refer you to an earlier page of this very thread.

Ninja Stan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

 
In the threads started by the author the ability of the author  to
delete posts or block certain users from posting in threads they
 started.

This is highly unlikely to happen. 

Start a private group invite whoever you feel is "worthy" of posting in your topics, that is the only way you're going to filter out divergent train of thoughts. Though I suspect you'll find them to be largely inactive given your established  selection process.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 26 janvier 2014 - 05:18 .

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

Aren't groups supposed to be removed with blogs and albums?

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Hi Jessica,

Would this include groups to be phased out as well?

Hi Fast Jimmy! We're in the process of developing better systems for groups but we will continue to support them as a feature (unless something crazy happens like the Tank Girl universe becomes a reality and we no longer use the internet because we're fighting over water as a resource...) But yeah, unless something unforseeable happens, my plan is for groups to stay in place, and eventually have better versions. 

I don't want to re-create my thread after it was locked because of someone spammed there.

Recreation of the same topics that have been locked is also considered spam.  

Bear that in mind, sir, the next time you post a Beyond-RPG thread. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 janvier 2014 - 05:13 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Seival wrote...
Aren't groups supposed to be removed with blogs and albums?

I don't want to re-create my thread after it was locked because of someone spammed there. I want the thread to be cleared from the spam and re-opened. Quite fair request. It wasn't my fault the thread was locked. And what will stop the same spammers from spamming in the re-created thread? Were the spammers from that thread banned? Did they at least recieve warning from moderator? I'm not sure about that... If moderator at least gave detailed description of reasons for closing and consequences for spammers. But he/she didn't.

Maybe the best solution is to hire more moderators and give them all required admin rights. But will they be able to track everything and react with more flexibility than right now? I know one thing almost for sure - if forum ban will also prevent user from having access to any BioWare online features and content, number of spammers will be reduced to zero in no time, while polite users will never notice anything negative with such rule applied.

The only public statement that I saw (which I believe is in this thread) indicated that they had no plans to change groups in the foreseeable future. If you have seen an announcement to the contrary, please share it.

As to whether you should have mod powers over your thread, to prevent spam in it, there is a rule against creating duplicate threads to cover the same topic. So all it would take would be one person  blocking everyone who disagrees with them to render a topic unusable for discussion, by keeping it under their own control, simply because they created it first. Requiring mods to do additional work to monitor a thread's "creator" to determine if a new thread needs to be opened for public access doesn't sound like something they would be interested in.

I know that as a user, I would never want to see that, either.

As to mod powers, they can already do what you are asking for. They can track and ban users, search posting history by a user, access any private group posts by users, and access what threads/users they've reported, and for what reason.

They already have hired mods working the site, and as far as I know, reports are responded to much more quickly than they ever used to be. You may not like how the mods choose to respond, but that is a separate issue. Giving users mod powers over a public forum is not a good idea.

And from a business point of view, if they used only one form of ban, and it hindered their users' ability to purchase and use their product, they'd put a serious dent in their profits, so it's unlikely (and unwise) for them to do that, either.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 26 janvier 2014 - 05:15 .

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...
Folks need to lighten up.

Basically and yes, I was relating to the social aspect. 

[General TSAR]

Seival wrote...

You think they have enough admins to cover everything? I really doubt that. And I really disagree with moderator responce to this particular thread:
http://social.biowar...ndex/17821123/1

Deal with it?

[spirosz]

Yeah, we should still be able to PM mods without them being on our friends list.

[dreamgazer]

Seival, your thread itself was spam, as per the forum's rules.

Introducing the idea of "Groundhog Day Syndrome" wasn't enough to justify yet another B:TS-RPG thread.

[AresKeith]

I still want a BSN mobile app

[General TSAR]

Oh hell yeah.

BioWare what's the ETA on the mobile app?

[Zazzerka]

AresKeith wrote...

I still want a BSN mobile app

Indeed. You've got no idea how many times I've been sitting quietly at the bus stop, where I'm hit with the sudden urge to discuss sexuality and pronouns and ethics.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 26 janvier 2014 - 05:50 .

[Seival]

General TSAR wrote...

Seival wrote...

You think they have enough admins to cover everything? I really doubt that. And I really disagree with moderator responce to this particular thread:
http://social.biowar...ndex/17821123/1

Deal with it?

I prefer to defend my opinion, and I want BSN to be friendly environment for polite users. That's why I voice my opinion in this thread at first place. BSN has rules, and all users here should follow them.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Seival wrote...
You think they have enough admins to cover everything? I really doubt that. And I really disagree with moderator responce to this particular thread:
http://social.biowar...ndex/17821123/1

Only 4 pages. Very few spam posts. It wouldn't take too long to remove the spam posts and at least warn the spammers. But saying "And we are done here." and closing the thread was definitely much easier and faster.

The funny thing is that moderators ask to PM them if we have any concerns regarding the forums, but sending PM to moderator is technically impossible without having them in your friends list. Their pages have no "send PM" option, and regular message system doesn't consider moderators' names as valid recievers.

I don't think there was anything wrong with locking the thread. If the discussion was valuable enough, you could have created a new topic for it (which would take 30 seconds and you could have continued from where you left off, same as posting in any topic.)

As I pointed out in my original post, your issue is with the way mods handle things, and it is on that level that you should address your complaint.

You are also wrong about not being able to PM mods unless they are on your friends' list. You can respond to any message that hasn' t been deleted from the system, unless you have been actively blocked, but regardless of whether you are friends with the person.

There is an issue there - the message must exist in the first place. It won't, if the mods never send you a notice about your ban length (which was normal for months, until many of us requested in here to have the issue addressed, and it has improved.) However, unless you have been blocked, you have the option of posting the request on their wall (I recommend that you do so politely) or by asking in this thread (which is less likely to have a quick response.)

And I bring you back to my original point - you can already do everything that you want to by creating a group. You choose not to, which is not the mods' responsibility, nor ours, to deal with.

[Seival]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival, your thread itself was spam, as per the forum's rules.

Introducing the idea of "Groundhog Day Syndrome" wasn't enough to justify yet another B:TS-RPG thread.

The thread wasn't about B:TS, and the original B:TS thread (that wasn't even created by me, by the way) was closed because of spam too:
http://social.biowar...619/29#17815840

Were the spammers who derailed this thread punished?