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[LPPrince]

A lot of changes.

[Fidite Nemini]

Administrator Control Panel -> Offtopic -> Unlock Awesome Button.

 

You know you want it, BioWare.

We know we want it.

[Vroom Vroom]

Changes to the BSN 2 or Off-Topic unlocked. 

[MrFob]

So, I just read about the announcement for N7 Day (of course, a fan had to post it here on the forums because no one else cares). Not that I really expected it but it would have been nice to include the these boards in the proceedings somehow. As it is, things are happening oooon ... you guessed it:

- Twitter

- Facebook

- Instagramm

- Extra Life (don't get me wrong, it's a charity, these guys are alright)

- The BW store

 

Why not have only one little thing here, on these, your very own forums? Sure, it doesn't have the social penetration as twitter or FB (you could post a link there though) but it's THE core community that is gathered here. After all, it's not like N7 day is a national holiday or anything, I always thought it was meant for the core community who remembers these games on this random day every year. But I guess the actual core community that is wanted does reside in those other places right now and we are just some old remnants, who didn't read all the memos.

 

Aahhh, I know I am wasting my breath, just can't leave well enough alone.

[voteDC]

Hell Mr. Fob I'm still waiting on Bioware to do what they promised once the Bioware Bazaar had ended and do something for the rest of the world that wasn't allowed to take part.

Bioware seem to have become nothing but empty words. A shame for a developer which I once had a 'buy without question' mentality for.

[Puddi III]

I still believe in you Conal.

You can still Rebuild the Lobby.



Then you be like.

!

[Vroom Vroom]

So, I just read about the announcement for N7 Day (of course, a fan had to post it here on the forums because no one else cares). Not that I really expected it but it would have been nice to include the these boards in the proceedings somehow. As it is, things are happening oooon ... you guessed it:

- Twitter

- Facebook

- Instagramm

- Extra Life (don't get me wrong, it's a charity, these guys are alright)

- The BW store

 

Why not have only one little thing here, on these, your very own forums? Sure, it doesn't have the social penetration as twitter or FB (you could post a link there though) but it's THE core community that is gathered here. After all, it's not like N7 day is a national holiday or anything, I always thought it was meant for the core community who remembers these games on this random day every year. But I guess the actual core community that is wanted does reside in those other places right now and we are just some old remnants, who didn't read all the memos.

 

Aahhh, I know I am wasting my breath, just can't leave well enough alone.

Because those of us on the forums are interested in and have bought/ will buy their product, therefore they don't care about us/ would rather focus their efforts on getting new people to play their games. 

[voteDC]

Because those of us on the forums are interested in and have bought/ will buy their product, therefore they don't care about us/ would rather focus their efforts on getting new people to play their games. 

I have bought, that is very true.

However Bioware have now slipped onto my wait and see list, the one where I wait three months to read all the feedback and see what patches come out for a game. The one where I can pick the game up at a decent discount if I am still interested in it.

You do have to wonder just how many people are like me. How many people have gone from buy without question to wait and see with Bioware.

[Iakus]

So, I just read about the announcement for N7 Day (of course, a fan had to post it here on the forums because no one else cares). Not that I really expected it but it would have been nice to include the these boards in the proceedings somehow. As it is, things are happening oooon ... you guessed it:

- Twitter

- Facebook

- Instagramm

- Extra Life (don't get me wrong, it's a charity, these guys are alright)

- The BW store

 

Why not have only one little thing here, on these, your very own forums? Sure, it doesn't have the social penetration as twitter or FB (you could post a link there though) but it's THE core community that is gathered here. After all, it's not like N7 day is a national holiday or anything, I always thought it was meant for the core community who remembers these games on this random day every year. But I guess the actual core community that is wanted does reside in those other places right now and we are just some old remnants, who didn't read all the memos.

 

Aahhh, I know I am wasting my breath, just can't leave well enough alone.

Wait, you expect Bioware to network on the Bioware Social Network?

 

Madness, I say!  Madness!

[MrFob]

Well, I am not saying they should concentrate their marketing efforts on this forum, that would indeed be wasted effort. But N7 day (at least in the past) used to be not so much a marketing event but more an appreciation event for the core fans, where they'd put out stuff like this or some podcast that hardly anyone who isn't already interested in the franchise will listen to. In a way, this is still the case, if you look at what they plan to do this year, it's mainly targeted at people who are already fairly well familiar with the franchise. So as far as I can see, the only reason why they don't even announce it on these boards anymore is not because this would be the wrong place but rather just because they don't give a dam.

 

For me, that kinda changes N7 day from some silly and fun internet event to yet another indication for the sad realization that their targeted fanbase has (or rather was deliberately) changed from quirky nerds to tweety birds.

[Vroom Vroom]

Well, I am not saying they should concentrate their marketing efforts on this forum, that would indeed be wasted effort. But N7 day (at least in the past) used to be not so much a marketing event but more an appreciation event for the core fans, where they'd put out stuff like this or some podcast that hardly anyone who isn't already interested in the franchise will listen to. In a way, this is still the case, if you look at what they plan to do this year, it's mainly targeted at people who are already fairly well familiar with the franchise. So as far as I can see, the only reason why they don't even announce it on these boards anymore is not because this would be the wrong place but rather just because they don't give a dam.

 

For me, that kinda changes N7 day from some silly and fun internet event to yet another indication for the sad realization that their targeted fanbase has (or rather was deliberately) changed from quirky nerds to tweety birds.

This is it exactly. By closing the Lobby (which coincidentally was the only section of the site that you didn't need to have a game registered to your account to post in) they (the decision makers) sent the message that they don't feel the need to communicate with their forum. I've seen a couple of devs that still do and it is appreciated, but unfortunately, the powers that be don't seem to be of the same mindset. 

 

N7 Day will probably be repurposed into a marketing event as they are focusing on sharing information pertaining to it on Facebook,Twitter, etc., but not these forums. I've reached the conclusion that they want those of us that question their decisions gone and that they just want those that'll purchase without question and new purchasers on these forums now. 

 

It's a shame. 

 

They can claim that they closed the lobby to "improve communication" all they want, but that really doesn't make sense and the only way sense can come from it is by reading in between the lines which reads "Go Away, we don't want you here unless you continue to buy our stuff."

[Fidite Nemini]

I have bought, that is very true.

However Bioware have now slipped onto my wait and see list, the one where I wait three months to read all the feedback and see what patches come out for a game. The one where I can pick the game up at a decent discount if I am still interested in it.

You do have to wonder just how many people are like me. How many people have gone from buy without question to wait and see with Bioware.

 

Ayup.

 

Then again, customers actually voting with their wallets is a rare breed, so although the recent course BioWare's steering at is resulting in potentionally reduced profit, they are at large not going to lose a lot. I'd even wager that alienating part of their community like this is offset with the influx of new players with next game (remember, ME3 was the perfect point to get into the ME trilogy ...), so ultimately, BioWare won't care the slightest bit.

 

But that's okay. If they don't want a nice community, let them feed marketing to the Twitter and Facebook masses. Because at least one thing they said regarding their changes is true: there are other communities around. Actual communities that are fostered by their companies and treated as communities, not as a passive audience whose purpose is to just swallow all the marketing and buy their games.

 

I used to have the BSN as one of my start-up webpages.

[LPPrince]

I miss when this place was a must-visit for new information and the place you had to be for fun with other Bioware fans.

[LPPrince]

AGAIN, let me point out that I wish Bioware did things the way Roosterteeth does them. Here's a recent journal posted on Roosterteeth.com by Barbara Dunkelman(employee of the company and Community Manager). She made this as a follow up to another journal where she directly asked the community to tell her what they loved about the site, what they didn't, what they think could be done to improve it, etc etc.
 
http://roosterteeth.com/post/51183792
 

Barbara Dunkelman wrote...
 
Hey guys,

Thank you so much for responding to my previous post. So many of you responded, and put a lot of time into answering the questions, and I appreciate that more than you know. 

Bottom line: we know there's a lot of work to do on the site. A lot. I've made it my priority to help make it what we want it to be. The tech & web team has done a ton of work (understatement) taking the old site and making it something workable in the backend, and now we're going to work to make it what it should be in the front-end. We at Rooster Teeth are also putting in more effort of being active here, since you guys are our #1. We all know we wouldn't be here without YOU. And we need to be where our family is.
 
I'll be honest, this will be a process. We plan to do multiple stages of usability testing, and work on fixing things one step at a time. I know we all want this site to be a place we can really take advantage of being a community, and we'll get there. We'll keep you guys in the loop as we work through things. I love you, and appreciate your support.

 

Now switch the words "Rooster Teeth" with "Bioware". Why the hell do we not have this type of interaction anymore?

[Puddi III]

I anticipate this response.

I am a beautiful person. I am a beautiful person. I am a beautiful person. I am a beautiful person who has been a lot about you. I will let us help you find out more information about the future. the first time in my opinion. I will be able to do with a new one, but the fact, the first time. I will be the first to review your itinerary may result of the day. the only one who can help me out of town. I'm not going to have a lot of time. it is the best of luck to you by the end of a new one. I am a very good at it again. the other hand is a great way for a few weeks. we have to be the same time as the most important thing to remember to send you a lot of fun.

Courtesy of android keyboard suggestions.

Because they have more important audiences to reach than waste their time on us loiterers.

[Get Magna Carter]

I miss when this place was a must-visit for new information and the place you had to be for fun with other Bioware fans.

that's from when the Bioware Social Network was a community

 

then Bioware decided they didn't want a Social Network or a community (or at least one they had any duty to monitor and regulate) so they changed it to a forum to discuss Bioware games

 

.I think Bioware assumes all their customers have a home internet connection and are on Facebook and Twitter (which they now want to use for all of their social networking and not this forum) and so marginalise gamers who are not

This started when they secretly changed the registration rules for Mass Effect 3 and REFUSED TO TALK ABOUT IT (indicating that it is part of an evil plot because if it wasn't they would have announced it and explained why they changed it) and got rude with any customer who tried to press them to speak about it

(rudeness from Bioware is part of the reason I disappeared from here for months).

[LPPrince]

And now today, Roosterteeth's Chief Creative Officer Burnie Burns says that the company is going to try to be a bit more transparent with fans so the RT community can get a better grasp of whats going on behind the scenes and learn about what we're contributing to since we contribute so much to them already.

 

Meanwhile at Bioware, some people on the forum still think Jessica Merizan is community manager even though she hasn't been with the company in over a year.

 

To say "Bioware could do better" is a colossal understatement.

[Puddi III]

Rooster Teeth staff have some pretty great names.

[Commander Rpg]

To say "Bioware could do better" is a colossal understatement.

Bioware maybe, 10 years ago. Not EAware, intended as the actual management under EA, differently from the former.

The way I see it, that phrase about potentially doing better is not an understatement, it's undergarment.*

 

*(Worth only of keeping our delicate parts clean [for the less wise])

[LPPrince]

Rooster Teeth staff have some pretty great names.

 

They also have a pretty great relationship with their fans and funny enough, their forum isn't as good as this one is was. People still love them because they don't make crazy decisions their fans find puzzling and the only reason their forum isn't that great is because people talk about stuff mostly in journals made on their profile pages. Their forum is divided up a bit too much but otherwise works as intended. And surprise, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS OUTSIDE OF ANY ROOSTERTEETH AFFILIATION THERE, FUNNY THAT.

 

http://roosterteeth.com/forum (and I barely ever used their forum, I use RT.com mainly through journal entries and reading others)

 

Feels great to be on a site where people are regularly awesome to you, around on a regular basis, and don't make you feel like you're shouting at a wall. Kinda like Bioware back in the day.

 

Its crazy how far this stretches. The other day my middle stepbrother came over to my door and we started talking video games. He asked me if he should uninstall Inquisition from his PS4 since he got it around launch and still hasn't finished it, I suggested he do so;if he hasn't finished it yet he never will(besides, even back when he got it he didn't seem enthusiastic about it). Then we started talking modern Bioware and he, someone who never once in his life used the forum, went off on how Bioware isn't the company they used to be with the way they interact with the community and the decisions they've made around it.

 

Seriously. All he knows about the forum is that the top poster in the world is his stepbrother and that I'm cross with them over their handling of the forum over God knows how long its been now. Even he has an opinion on this nonsense. He's actually considered throwing Bioware to the wind and just ignoring them completely. He's not hyped for Andromeda whatsoever and he's likely given up on Dragon Age already.

 

In my case, I don't have the money to be getting games in general let alone Bioware games. Only reason I have Halo 5 is because a friend of a friend bought it for me(literally). But as this type of thing continues, I wonder if, assuming I was financially capable, I would even get Bioware games.

 

Me not getting the games affects them in such a minute insignificant way that they could literally laugh about it and go back to doing whatever else.

 

But at this point, I just don't feel like this place is worth hanging around.

 

Now things are quiet on the Bioware contribution front, you've got people trying to not set off the forum police, the sections regarding the games are effectively spinning in circles, and the best place to chat with other Bioware fans about life in general is shut down.

 

That in combination with the myriad of ridiculousness from Bioware in the last few years with the Bazaar, Deception(the book), Mass 3, the pre-release lies(the other kind of deception), etc etc is killing my love for their work.

 

And that sucks.

[Puddi III]

I guess BioWare is feeling the Burnie Burns right now as they geeeeeeeeeet Barbara Dunkelman'd on.

 

In seriousness, the time for constructive conversation about this is long gone. In truth, it never existed to begin with. BioWare is obviously not interested in talking. They decided OT was going to close, and our only recourse in those 12 minutes and beyond was to deal with it. These threads are corporate lip service to an ideal they couldn't give a rat's ass about.

[LPPrince]

I guess BioWare is feeling the Burnie Burns right now as they geeeeeeeeeet Barbara Dunkelman'd on.

 

In seriousness, the time for constructive conversation about this is long gone. In truth, it never existed to begin with. BioWare is obviously not interested in talking. They decided OT was going to close, and our only recourse in those 12 minutes and beyond was to deal with it. These threads are corporate lip service to an ideal they couldn't give a rat's ass about.

 

Its been said that back in the day a few years ago the thought of closing Off Topic was actually being talked about within the community management circle of Bioware. It just didn't happen and they decided against it even though some argued for its closure.

 

Guess it was only a matter of time before someone with power decided to finally pull the plug. Which is funny because removing it did nothing to make this place better, its actually just another perfect example of Bioware's modus operandi of "if its broken don't fix it, just nuke it"

[Puddi III]

And if it ain't really that broken but you just hate your fans anyway, nuke it too.

[Liamv2]

If anything other sections have gotten worse with the Witcher and Bethesda stuff leaking over.

[LPPrince]

If anything other sections have gotten worse with the Witcher and Bethesda stuff leaking over.

 

Yeah but I don't think that has to do with Off Topic being closed too much, I think that has more to do with Bioware not making games people enjoy as much as they enjoy CDPR and Bethesda's stuff.

 

Which lets be real, Bioware can only dream about putting a game out there that people love and appreciate as much as Skyrim and The Witcher 3, especially given Skyrim inspired the new open-world focus going around a lot the last few years. Then you have the Fallout 4 hype which Bioware hasn't matched with anything in the last few years and you can imagine why these games keep coming up in the game sections.

 

It'd be much less if they had their own threads here made by us in Off Topic, but of course, OT's removal supposedly makes this place better. I've yet to see any improvements in the months since its been gone.