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[Shadow Fox]

I was about to say "Everyone has a line they're not willing to cross," then realized they both have theirs.

 

Alistair's line is he won't have Loghain spared to become a Grey Warden - which everyone is all too happy to criticize him for.

 

However, Anora's line is she won't have her father dead. If she knows you'll try to execute him, she will turn on you to help keep her father's regency going to keep him alive... Even though she knows his regency is what's gotten the nation divided, why they won't unite against the darkspawn, why the nation is crumbling around them, and that he won't listen to reason or compromise... And that, if he remains in power, he WILL use his power to execute or exile all Grey Wardens, which are desperately needed against the Blight. (As Anora herself said earlier in the game: "We need HELP, Father!" And Wulff at the Landsmeet: "The south is fallen, Loghain! Will you let darkspawn take the whole country for fear of Orlais?") While she might not know the inside secrets of Grey Wardens as much as Alistair, she does know their help is needed against the Blight.

 

Call Alistair unsuitable for refusing to add one extra Grey Warden recruit against the Blight, Anora was willing to keep a paranoid tyrant at the helm and risk/allow there to be NO Grey Wardens in Ferelden. That's hardly any better for the nation, and for as emotionally-driven a reason her part as Alistair. (Just at the opposite end of the spectrum.)

 

You want to decry Alistair as an unsuitable monarch because he lets his emotions get in the way during an instance that could benefit the country? Then you'd better decry Anora for the same reason, because she's just as bad as him in that regard, just in a different way and for the opposite reason.

That's what people have been saying: if Anora letting personal feelings cloud her judgement makes her an unsuitable ruler then so is Alistair because he's guilty of the same thing.

[sylvanaerie]

People are flawed.  I like that neither option is perfect alone.  Unless the warden intervenes and does some political matchmaking, someone will be alone on the throne.  I would have liked, if you didn't want to marry either, for the option to be chancellor or the Teryn of Gwaren to have a bigger impact on the ending of the story (like you could use your position to influence how their rule went), but you get the same ruler cards regardless.

 

Alistair hates being king.  He'll accept it, but he doesn't really want it.  Putting him on the throne in any capacity bothers me, but marrying him to a woman he doesn't like (the daughter of the man he hates) is the cruelest fate (aside from outright killing him) I can imagine for him.  Being married to Alistair, who is too similar to her dead husband--a man she seemed to have some affection, but no respect for--isn't any picnic for Anora either.  On a personal level, their lives together suck.  For the nation, it seems to be a really good match, his common touch blends well with her ability to make hard decisions and the two blend their rulership styles very well. If he is hardened--unhardened Alistair is little different from Anora rules alone, since he leaves it to her to rule and runs off to play with the commoners.

 

Even being chancellor (closest ending you can get to the throne without sitting on it, and the only option for a non-noble character or a noble who's not ruling), nets you the same cards regardless, unless you hitch them up, then you become redundant/useless to the rule, with little to do in Ferelden since they rule together so well.  I suppose it kind of fits.  You've babysat Ferelden from the beginning.  By the end, it's time for the child to grow, learn and make mistakes on it's own.  

 

Both are human, both make mistakes, but overall, I think Anora is more suited to rule alone.  While Alistair gets a nice 'status quo' ending, where nothing changes--aside from the elf elder on the council thing, something I feel isn't going to have as huge an impact as people expect--while Anora increases trade and builds a university, very progressive steps for the nations growth from a backwater, barbaric country to a more civilized and enlightened society.  Her daddy obsession notwithstanding, she makes a decent ruler when left to her own devices.  The elf uprisings have been going on for as long as elves and humans have inhabited the same areas, using the same resources.  Anora is not the cause of that, and she won't have been the first or the last ruler to experience it.  She also has the potential to provide stability for Ferelden longer than Alistair will since, on average, she will outlive him because of the taint.

[Jaison1986]

The way I see it @sylvanaerie, the situation more is about what is best for the country rather then what is best for these two particular individuals. So my prefered option is to marry the both of them. I mean, leaving Anora ruling alone while Alistair remains a grey warden would surely be best for both of them, but then Ferelden wouldn't benefit as much. The happiness of two individuals can't be more important then the well being of the entire country. I suppose the best possible outcome would be Alistair dueling Loghain and the Cousland Warden marries Anora. Alistair escapes the fate he aways feared and Anora gets a competent husband at her side (and Awakening seems to suggest that their marriage goes beyond the political compromise).

[Xilizhra]

Both are human, both make mistakes, but overall, I think Anora is more suited to rule alone.  While Alistair gets a nice 'status quo' ending, where nothing changes--aside from the elf elder on the council thing, something I feel isn't going to have as huge an impact as people expect--while Anora increases trade and builds a university, very progressive steps for the nations growth from a backwater, barbaric country to a more civilized and enlightened society.  Her daddy obsession notwithstanding, she makes a decent ruler when left to her own devices.  The elf uprisings have been going on for as long as elves and humans have inhabited the same areas, using the same resources.  Anora is not the cause of that, and she won't have been the first or the last ruler to experience it.  She also has the potential to provide stability for Ferelden longer than Alistair will since, on average, she will outlive him because of the taint.

Whether she's the cause or not of the elf issue doesn't change the fact that it only happens under her watch and not Alistair's.

 

Of course, any or all of this might be completely meaningless, given that Ferelden still seems to be a struggling backwater trying to rebuild in DA2, now under threat of Orlais.

[Mike3207]

I've done both and the Orlesian invasion is mentioned both times.

All I can say is that wasn't my experience-but I could have missed the dialogue involved. Not fond of DA2, so I'm unlikely to do another playthrough to find out.

[Cobra's_back]

Okay, I always pick Alistair because he is a better king for the common people and the elves. The queen is smart and she is a better politician. She knows how to handle the nobles. 

 

 

Question: Why does the Ferelden  messenger tell the Orzammar guard three times that King Loghain demands their aid, King Loghain declared the warden's enemies of Ferelden and the King wants Orzammar to remove this stain who kill Calain (warden)?

 

Why is one of the responds go back to your false King. What happened?? Is this an error in the game???

 

 

Loghain is not the King. I thought she was queen but unable to do her job because her father the tyrant took over. 

[Cobra's_back]

I played DA2 my Warden was Queen. I don't remember Alistair talking about the elves. Alistair is half elf. I would like him to have the opportunity to unite the humans and elves. I really didn't like DA2 and would not enjoy playing it again. In DAO I like the fact that he pissed off the nobles by having a city elf in his council.

[sylvanaerie]

The way I see it @sylvanaerie, the situation more is about what is best for the country rather then what is best for these two particular individuals. So my prefered option is to marry the both of them. I mean, leaving Anora ruling alone while Alistair remains a grey warden would surely be best for both of them, but then Ferelden wouldn't benefit as much. The happiness of two individuals can't be more important then the well being of the entire country. I suppose the best possible outcome would be Alistair dueling Loghain and the Cousland Warden marries Anora. Alistair escapes the fate he aways feared and Anora gets a competent husband at her side (and Awakening seems to suggest that their marriage goes beyond the political compromise).

Actually my favorite ending is this one.  I've played as a noblewoman marrying Alistair (while romantic I got the feeling the story wraps on a 'fairy tale ending' which doesn't quite fit the game).  And I enjoyed that ending.  I've played as Alistair's mistress/chancellor, and enjoyed that one as well.  I just can't bring myself to marry Alistair to Anora, I just feel people should have the right to pick their own path, and it isn't required for a good ending that he has to rule.

 

I feel the best result for everyone (including Ferelden) keeps Alistair in the Grey Wardens (which he gratefully acknowledges to the Cousland in camp that he was glad for), Anora marries the Cousland, who leaves the day to day administrative duties to her, and he handles security/protection of Ferelden.  At least that was how I viewed Gawain Cousland's marriage to her.  He kept Leliana as his love, made Anora very aware it was strictly political and she was happy to get the Hero of Ferelden as a consort to cement her rule.  I would like to think their marriage became amicable, if not romantic, and Ferelden benefits from 2 rulers who complement each other well, without having to sacrifice Anora or Alistair to a marriage they would find unsatisfying.

[Ryzaki]

Meh I marry hardened Alistair to Anora while my fem elf mage remains his mistress. (unhardened Alistair though they go off grey wardening). He's actually fine with it at the coronation. ("let her find her own conquering hero" indeed) XD

[Steelcan]

Becoming King-Consort is still my favorite ending

[Ryzaki]

I still don't see how you could marry that ice queen. One Morrigan defrosting was enough thx. If my male PCs want power they'll put unhardened Alistair on the throne solo. Perfect puppet.

[Steelcan]

I still don't see how you could marry that ice queen. One Morrigan defrosting was enough thx. If my male PCs want power they'll put unhardened Alistair on the throne solo. Perfect puppet.

 

Ice Queens seem to be my thing

 

besides, she has... huge tracts of land

[Ryzaki]

Ice Queens seem to be my thing

 

besides, she has... huge tracts of land

 

Everyone in DAO has huge tracts of lard tho D:

 

Funny. Since Loghain himself calls you a puppet master.

 

Sadly, it's also the route Howe engages in.

 

Well he didn't live long enough to revel in being right

 

Neither did Howe *cackles*

[Steelcan]

Everyone in DAO has huge tracts of lard tho D:

 

 

Well he didn't live long enough to revel in being right

 

Neither did Howe *cackles*

 

Yes, even Wynne

 

 

 

 

[Ryzaki]

Yes, even Wynne

 

 

 

 

 

Oh god don't get me started on her magical bosom.

Fair enough. I let Loghain live. I hate being a Warden. I hate Wynne's preachy platitudes about being a Warden. I hate sacrificial themes and duty bound characters. I hate the so called "Hero's Journey" my character has to go through. I enjoy all of the world exploration and lore though. Don't get me wrong. Just don't care for the job thrust on the main character. So I do the puppet mastery with Loghain and get him to take my job. Unlike Alistair's dumb ass, I don't believe it's an "honor" to be a Grey Warden. It's a crap job. Best leave it to someone else.

 

XD my wardens feel teh wardens can screw themselves as well. Thus why they become chancellor. (or a Teryn) leaving all that power laying around for some fool to take is not their preference (unless they're the screw all of you I'm leaving types. Then they go traveling).

[Shadow Fox]

Fair enough. I let Loghain live. I hate being a Warden. I hate Wynne's preachy platitudes about being a Warden. I hate sacrificial themes and duty bound characters. I hate the so called "Hero's Journey" my character has to go through. I enjoy all of the world exploration and lore though. Don't get me wrong. Just don't care for the job thrust on the main character. So I do the puppet mastery with Loghain and get him to take my job. Unlike Alistair's dumb ass, I don't believe it's an "honor" to be a Grey Warden. It's a crap job. Best leave it to someone else.

For a Casteless or City Elf being a Warden is better than the alternative though.

[Ryzaki]

I like having a Teryn CE. Kind of weird it's not more of a "wait what?" moment.

[sylvanaerie]

I still don't see how you could marry that ice queen. One Morrigan defrosting was enough thx. If my male PCs want power they'll put unhardened Alistair on the throne solo. Perfect puppet.

Yet, you have no compunctions forcing Alistair to marry her?  At least it's the Cousland's choice, if he doesn't want to marry her, he doesn't have to.  Alistair isn't given that.  

 

You don't see that viewpoint as hypocritical at all?

 

As for the Cousland (mine anyway) he had a beautiful, capable, smart queen to rule the country, and didn't mind if she sought companionship elsewhere (as long as she was discreet) as he had Leliana to love.  It was a fantastic arrangement.  Maybe not for Leliana, but she always had the option to tell him goodbye as well.