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[Master Warder Z_]

riots are constantly in orlais considering how nobles treat other classes no wonder even pointed by alistair...

 

second the game is bulit on corruption and corruption weakens order going by that also weakens country structure improving life of majority can be benefical for society and increase productivity... when such thing as corrupted guards increase criminal part of the city going by that weaken that city.Nobles intrestend in fashion than making society prosper better is destructive as well they are corrupte.

 

Hmm from where idea that i want help elves or other small groups

 

Firstly Source, and Secondly Source.

 

If you can find evidence of mass occurrence of rampant riots within Orlais i will be surprised, And if you can find the game beyond amusement in the one case i already acknowledged.

 

Until then it to me is baseless speculation.

[Iron Fist]

Conquering every bit of territory that I explore. My will IS the greater good. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

Take the Anderfels, for example. Two Blights have begun inside that countrie's borders which has turned most of the nation's territory into a desert barely capable of supporting life.

On the other hand, the Free Marches are some of the most fertile lands and together, they produce more than half of the entire food of the continent. Food that they sell as exports to other countries like the Anderfels. Now, imagine just how many trade routes pass within Orlesian borders. Imagine what happens to these trade routes while you're "destroying Orlais".

Yep, the people of the Anderfels starve because of a war they have no involvment in.

Nevermind that if Orlais were to be destroyed, there would be a war between all countries in order to pick the spoils. Seriously, you can't envision how the destruction of an entire country would hurt people?

 

 

Is this the same Chantry that comissioned a study on the organs of the reanimated dead? It's a strange thing they didn't prevent the Human Noble from receiving a lesson in history by a human scholar in DAO since they are so interested in censoring knowledge.

Even if we were to accept the Chantry censors anything; of which we have no evidence; burning the only two universities in Thedas is not the way to educate the masses.

1)Anderfels was a dessert barely capable of supporting life before Ancient Tevinter

2)but they does not trade food and Free Marshes have city-states kingdoms what most of the Thedas have in south and east then Blight was over and Hessarian die...some of them become Rivain, some Free Marshes, Orlais, Antiva..so this trade routes have no real influence of 95% Thedas peoples..Thedas does not have a mass trades exept lyrium, vines and clothes...but this is not a really a mass trades and most of those who have it nobles and rich peoples

 

3)and who will do this and who can do?...elves wil have their lands, some will have Nevarra..some barbarians like avvar...and this all..noone have interests in those lands since Ancient Tevinter who still does not really controll them as Ferelden

 

4)again the only real education and science have Tevinter, Nevarra, Dwarfs, Dalish...Orlais and other Andrastians kingdoms have it only in Chantry Circles and this is saved and censored by Orlais Chantry Ancient Tevinter knoledges...Orlais Chantry does not have any real education('history'->religion storys have all Thedas nation) and not have any sciense

 

5)i know about 1 Celine university in Orlais capital for wealthy nobles who exist only 15 years and do nothing in education and science

[TheKomandorShepard]

Firstly Source, and Secondly Source.

 

If you can find evidence of mass occurrence of rampant riots within Orlais i will be surprised, And if you can find the game beyond amusement is the one case i already acknowledged.

 

Until then it to me is baseless speculation.

 

As i said it was pointed by alistair along with assasinations and parties as something common considering as they treat peoples like that see that merchant in denerim from orlais it is no wonder why... and well that you refuse any example that don't support your teory it is your case well...

 

pretty much that was reason why orlais lost ferelden they treated folks like crap and as i said merchant from orlais says that it is in case and ferelden is different in that matter

[Master Warder Z_]

As i said it was pointed by alistair along with assasinations and parties as something common considering as they treat peoples like that see that merchant in denerim from orlais it is no wonder why... and well that you refuse any example that don't support your teory it is your case well...

 

pretty much that was reason why orlais lost ferelden they treated folks like crap and as i said merchant from orlais says that it is in case and ferelden is different in that matter

 

Care to provide a link? A dialogue posting? Anything?

 

Erm no, the reason Orlais "lost" was because their reinforcements were cut off from entering the country via the River Dane due to Fereldan Ambush, even so it was a hard fought battle, The future Queen of Fereldan nearly died on the field in fact. After the loss of those reinforcements The Emperor wrote off the appointed king of Fereldan and declared the Province was costing the Empire more then it was worth. By this point most of the cities were rioting due to how the Occupation forces were abusing the local populace, the Rebel Army was swelling with every town they past, and due to several costly blunders the majority of the Orlaisian occupation force was decimated, prompting Emperor Florian to send in those final reinforcements, which he warned the King in letter would be the last.

 

Orlais wasn't going to over commit on a province barely paying for its own upkeep after all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Care to provide a link? A dialogue posting? Anything?

 

Erm no, the reason Orlais "lost" was because their reinforcements were cut off from entering the country via the River Dane due to Fereldan Ambush, even so it was a hard fought battle, The future Queen of Fereldan nearly died on the field in fact. After the loss of those reinforcements The Emperor wrote off the appointed king of Fereldan and declared the Province was costing the Empire more then it was worth. By this point most of the cities were rioting due to how the Occupation forces were abusing the local populace, the Rebel Army was swelling with every town they past, and due to several costly blunders the majority of the Orlaisian occupation force was decimated, prompting Emperor Florian to send in those final reinforcements, which he warned the King in letter would be the last.

 

Orlais wasn't going to over commit on a province barely paying for its own upkeep after all.

 

Sorry but there is no dialogue from games besides random quotes from certain characters ,only full dialogues are those from companions so well... unless you will replay game i can't give you that quotes

 

And why rebellion was in first place because folks was treated crap even loghain was rebel because of that so first reason behind rebelion that lead to orlais loosing ferelden was because they were treated like sh**

[Master Warder Z_]

Sorry but there is no dialogue from games besides random quotes from certain characters ,only full dialogues are those from companions so well... unless you will replay game i can't give you that quotes

 

So you don't have any proof of a conversation despite me doing multiple playthroughs of Orgins i have never heard from Alistair?

[TheKomandorShepard]

So you don't have any proof of a conversation despite me doing multiple playthroughs of Orgins i have never heard from Alistair?

 

Hmm it wasn't in origins it was in da 2 if ali is king o i found that

[Master Warder Z_]

Hmm it wasn't in origins it was in da 2 if ali is king o i found that

 

He doesn't say anything about Orlais being politically unstable, he said attempted assassinations, and given that could infer to the possible civil war it  would make sense. Overall he was saying Orlais was likely looking to anex Fereldan again given how depleted the Nation was from the Blight, No mentions of corruption or anything overtly negative.

 

As Zevran said, All nations have their assassins, and the people who pay for the services of said people.

 

Orlais wouldn't be different in that regard.

[dragonflight288]

My inquisition's 'greater good' will be how I roleplay that particular inquisitor.

[Master Warder Z_]

My inquisition's 'greater good' will be how I roleplay that particular inquisitor.

 

There you go

[TheKomandorShepard]

He doesn't say anything about Orlais being politically unstable, he said attempted assassinations, and given that could infer to the possible civil war it  would make sense. Overall he was saying Orlais was likely looking to anex Fereldan again given how depleted the Nation was from the Blight, No mentions of corruption or anything overtly negative.

 

As Zevran said, All nations have their assassins, and the people who pay for the services of said people.

 

Orlais wouldn't be different in that regard.

lol you love change point don't you?

 

It wasn't about instability well it was in certain part it was about riots which are part of instability...

 

And point are not assassins and antiva and orlais well give tevinter are not places that are corrupted but where system is bulit on corruption so well when other country may have corruption doesn't mean it is running on corruption like orlais...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Out of sheer curiosity, what nations do you see as not built on corruption, TKS?

[dragonflight288]

Out of sheer curiosity, what nations do you see as not built on corruption, TKS?

 

You know, I'm curious about that as well.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Out of sheer curiosity, what nations do you see as not built on corruption, TKS?

 

That system don't support corruption orlesian grand game supports it which makes it run on it same with tevinter. I can't rly say about how other countries work outside ferelden so as far when ferelden have corruption like for example bann esmerelle it isn't running on that.

[Master Warder Z_]

It wasn't about instability well it was in certain part it was about riots which are part of instability...

 

 

 

Yet there was no mention of riots...At all!

 

Odd how that works Hrm?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yet there was no mention of riots...At all!

 

Odd how that works Hrm?

 

aaa ok maybe you should watch it again

[Cainhurst Crow]

...mine won't have one.

[Master Warder Z_]

aaa ok maybe you should watch it again

 

I watched the entire thing ._.

 

He mentions attempted assassinations, nothing of riots, Give me an exact time and i will watch it once more but i didn't miss a single sentence of their conversation and i have had this occurrence in DA 2 as well.

[dragonflight288]

That system don't support corruption orlesian grand game supports it which makes it run on it same with tevinter. I can't rly say about how other countries work outside ferelden so as far when ferelden have corruption like for example bann esmerelle it isn't running on that.

 

 

Err....are you saying that Orlais's Grand Game isn't corrupt? I can't make out what you're saying here. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I watched the entire thing ._.

 

He mentions attempted assassinations, nothing of riots, Give me an exact time and i will watch it once more but i didn't miss a single sentence of their conversation and i have had this occurrence in DA 2 as well.

read entire line about assassinations , uprisings and fancy parties

 

 

Err....are you saying that Orlais's Grand Game isn't corrupt? I can't make out what you're saying here. 

 

Nope opposite that it is system that supports corruption.

[Master Warder Z_]

Err....are you saying that Orlais's Grand Game isn't corrupt? I can't make out what you're saying here. 

 

I'd argue that is, but the scale is so insular isn't overly harmful in the grand scheme of things. so it likely is corrupt but it isn't overly harmful to the Nation it self, given that apparently besides one overt Bard who was going to hock military secrets to Fereldan and Nevarra, you have no document cases of anything such intrigue harming Orlais.

 

Course this could be a case of an exception outweighing the norm, but either way as it sits, the game while harmful to the player isn't harmful to Orlais.

[Master Warder Z_]

read entire line about assassinations , uprisings and fancy parties

 

Yeah like i said before that could be a mention of you know, the possible Alienage uprisings that were plaguing Orlais about this time.

 

You know the ones that may or may not be featured in DAI depending upon how the Masked Empire plays out?

[MisterJB]

3)and who will do this and who can do?...elves wil have their lands, some will have Nevarra..some barbarians like avvar...and this all..noone have interests in those lands since Ancient Tevinter who still does not really controll them as Ferelden

I said that if Orlais was destroyed, lives would be lost in the fighting for what used to be orlesian lands. And your response is that "No one would have interests in those lands."

Yeah... I think I'm done here.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah like i said before that could be a mention of you know, the possible Alienage uprisings that were plaguing Orlais about this time.

 

You know the ones that may or may not be featured in DAI depending upon how the Masked Empire plays out?

 

Yeah when there is no answer best option is push blame on elves hah you are true mastermind