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#101
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I'd argue that is, but the scale is so insular isn't overly harmful in the grand scheme of things. so it likely is corrupt but it isn't overly harmful to the Nation it self, given that apparently besides one overt Bard who was going to hock military secrets to Fereldan and Nevarra, you have no document cases of anything such intrigue harming Orlais.

 

Course this could be a case of an exception outweighing the norm, but either way as it sits, the game while harmful to the player isn't harmful to Orlais.

 

Except the people hurt by it either indirectly or directly, like in Leliana's song and how she ruins a guy's reputation, steals from merchants, probably switches them around the place, kills guards who happen to be on duty, and so on. 



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That system don't support corruption orlesian grand game supports it which makes it run on it same with tevinter. I can't rly say about how other countries work outside ferelden so as far when ferelden have corruption like for example bann esmerelle it isn't running on that.

So you have no example of a nation not based on a system you hate?



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Except the people hurt by it either indirectly or directly, like in Leliana's song and how she ruins a guy's reputation, steals from merchants, probably switches them around the place, kills guards who happen to be on duty, and so on. 

 

Yeah entire system is corrupted and those are minor short term things that grand game crushes in that nations and if you missed i siad that orlesian system supports corruption not that it isn't corrupted.

 

 

So you have no example of a nation not based on a system you hate?

Crap i must wrote something wrong nations taht support corruption are orlais and tevinter and well antiva (but hesitate here but country is ruled by group of assassins) and country that have corruption but doesn't support it is ferelden.I don't have information about other nations.



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Except the people hurt by it either indirectly or directly, like in Leliana's song and how she ruins a guy's reputation, steals from merchants, probably switches them around the place, kills guards who happen to be on duty, and so on. 

 

I never said there wasn't crossfire, i just said it didn't harm the Nation overtly.

 

But i also never said Gaspard didn't have a case for wanting it gone either.



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Yeah when there is no answer best option is push blame on elves hah you are true mastermind :devil:

 

No i'm serious TKS look at the timeline, The Alienage uprisings kick off in 9:40 Dragon More or less, and are still active supposedly by 9:41 Dragon, Whom is to say this isn't a preamble to that given its what? 9:37 or so Dragon age?



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Crap i must wrote something wrong nations taht support corruption are orlais and tevinter and well antiva (but hesitate here but country is ruled by group of assassins) and country that have corruption but doesn't support it is ferelden.I don't have information about other nations.

Ah, okay. Just to clarify:

 

Countries based around corruption: Orlais, Tevinter

Countries not based around corruption: Ferelden

Countries which corruption base unknown: Rivain, Antiva?, Free Marshes, Nevarra, Anderfels, Dalish, Qunari, etc.

 

Basically this, yes?

 

I'd also add Orzammar at least to the nations built on corruption.



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No i'm serious TKS look at the timeline, The Alienage uprisings kick off in 9:40 Dragon More or less, and are still active supposedly by 9:41 Dragon, Whom is to say this isn't a preamble to that given its what? 9:37 or so Dragon age?

 

It isn't single incident alistair mocks frequent negative traits that orlais have to deal like assassinations or uprisings i can see elven uprisings in orlais but as i said they treat classes under noble not very nice so consequence of that are uprisings it is pretty obvious same situation was in ferelden.

 

 

Ah, okay. Just to clarify:

 

Countries based around corruption: Orlais, Tevinter

Countries not based around corruption: Ferelden

Countries which corruption base unknown: Rivain, Antiva?, Free Marshes, Nevarra, Anderfels, Dalish, Qunari, etc.

 

Basically this, yes?

 

I'd also add Orzammar at least to the nations built on corruption.

 

 

Yes but now it sounds bad i would better call it promoting corruption orlais and tevinter but i would add here antiva as it is country controled by crows. And yep your example is/was correct about orzammar

 

When ferelden have corruption but doesn't promotes it and as you said we don't know much about others.



#108
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Alistair is Ferelden, which is DA England. Of course he will insult Orlais, which is DA France. :P


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Alistair is Ferelden, which is DA England. Of course he will insult Orlais, which is DA France. :P

 

Pretty much :P

 

Just like how Orlaisian mock any one whom isn't Orlaisian, Just like you know...All of Eastern Europe for their respective countries.

 

Besides the Dutch, Dutch don't have anything any one wants :P



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Alistair is Ferelden, which is DA England. Of course he will insult Orlais, which is DA France. :P

 

Well he might insult orlais but doesn't make it false insult he pretty much was right with that insult but i see that as rather mockery.He seems want peace with orlais.
 



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Besides the Dutch, Dutch don't have anything any one wants :P

 

A relatively lax drug policy?  :whistle:



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Well he might insult orlais but doesn't make it false insult he pretty much was right with that insult but i see that as rather mockery.He seems want peace with orlais.
 

I was just trying to add some humor is all. But yes, Alistair wants peace with Orlais. Considering how strong Orlais is, all the neighboring nations will want to buddy up with it. 



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I was just trying to add some humor is all. But yes, Alistair wants peace with Orlais. Considering how strong Orlais is, all the neighboring nations will want to buddy up with it. 

 

To be honest i don't think that it may be main reason as i know alistair who is naive (as cailan was but not so much) he want peace and best for everyone.(except loghain :lol: )



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Yes but now it sounds bad i would better call it promoting corruption orlais and tevinter but i would add here antiva as it is country controled by crows. And yep your example is/was correct about orzammar

 

When ferelden have corruption but doesn't promotes it and as you said we don't know much about others.

Promoting works better. I was just using your phrase on it. Glad I was able to help find a better alternative. ^_^

 

True about Antiva. Anderfels is a little iffy since many say the Wardens are the ones pulling the strings but the Wardens are doing it for more benign ends like keeping Anderfels safe from constant Darkspawn attacks rather than political power for power's sake.



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A relatively lax drug policy?  :whistle:

 

._. That's something to brag on?

 

Crumbling economy, Massive trade deficit, But the Hash is plentiful!



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Out of curiosity, what is your foundation for 'individual liberty' in Thedas? What does it mean, and what is the rational or ideological justification for it?

 

Liberty, like equality, is something that means different things to different people, and without a unifying principle and foundation it can simply be an excuse for tyranny and oppression by an individual on others in the name of their infringements of her own liberty. After all, forcing restraint on someone is limiting their liberties.

 

So when you set out to individual liberty (a label that is frequently contrary and contradictory to 'greater good'), what will make your efforts more than the strongman of the hour threatening others to get their way and preferences?

 

 

For the issue of mages, how will you justify individuals restrictions on mages with mandated policing to mages who claim that doing so infringes with their individual liberty? And if you restrict mundanes from trying to do what they see as necessary to preserve their freedoms, why should they believe your individual freedoms deserves to usurp their group freedom?

 

For elves, how will you enforce demands against segregation that is in many respects mutual? Will you deny humans the individual liberty to house, hire, or sell to elves if they don't want to? Will you attempt to prevent them from having any means to push back, or will you strip them of arms to preserve the elves rights to weapons?

 

When you say you will end the Dwarven caste system- what will you do about people already in castes? Will you overthrow the nobility and kingdom and install a puppet government that reflects your views, regardless of the individual views of various parts of the populace? Will you rend the current castes, and force everyone to take different jobs and specialties at this time in their lives? That would be difficult at best, for a society on a permanent war footing against a constantly present foe- and what would be your measure of success, anyway? Radical change over five days? Weeks? Months? Years? Generations? Destroying the warrior caste on the front lines, replacing the smith castes and other specialties who have no good replacements, replacing the governmental bureacracy- that would be change, but it wouldn't necessarily work out well. But if you leave it to the future generations, you'll likely not see much change: so many people choose to follow what their parents were, especially in pre-universal education settings where family is the primary source of teaching.

 

 

 

I do hope you give it some thought. As it is, your greater good of 'personal liberty' is sounding quite a bit like 'personal preferences enforced on others', and easily allowing rollback by people concerned with their personal liberties and interests.

My concept of individual liberty is people being free to try and do as they please with their own lives, so long as they do not actively interfere with anothers right to do so. That means murder, theft, slavery and sexual assualt are all still illegal.

 

On mages, I have no restrictions specific to mages. It would be illegal for anyone to control the mind of another it just so happens that blood magic is the easiest way to go about that. It would technically be legal for a person to become an abomination, but they tend to go crazy and start killing everyone or start trying to forcfully control others, so they would likely be punished for those other crimes. As to the specified policing, I'm talking about a group of people trained and equiped to fight mages and abominations because I don't think the guys running down cutpurses in the market square are quite up to the job.

 

Regarding elves, I said ending the de jure oppression not the de facto. The elves should be allowed to have weapons, but if a smith refuses to sell to an elf I'm not going to put a sword to his throat.

 

Now the Dwarves, I said ending the state sponsored caste system, the caste symstem itself would very likely remain in effect. In the state caste system it is a crime to impersonate another caste, in a de facto caste system a servant could try and become a smith but customers would be few and far between and they would likely fail. A noble could try and become a servant but who would hire them. The difference is they wouldn't be criminals for trying. Also this would allow for legal protection for casteless, under the state sponsored caste system any dwarf with a caste could kill a casteless without fear of legal repercussion.

 

I fail to see how removing laws that infringe the individual liberty of one would violate the individual liberty of another.



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Kill every Qunari i spot 

You will submit


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._. That's something to brag on?

 

Crumbling economy, Massive trade deficit, But the Hash is plentiful!

 

It keeps people calm, man.  :D Countries should want that when facing economic and financial decline.



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Besides the Dutch, Dutch don't have anything any one wants :P

There are two things in this world that I just can't stand.

 

1) People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures.

 

2) The Dutch

 

Before anyone bites my head off, I am paraphrasing a very obvious joke from the third Austin Powers movie.


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#120
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You will submit

 

If you insist


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You will submit

or die.. a true Qunari would never forget the or die part.



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or die.. a true Qunari would never forget the or die part

Death is just another form of submission



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or die.. a true Qunari would never forget the or die part.

 

Or Most likely turned into a drooling slave with the help of a glowy mind-raping substance.


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#124
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Death is just another form of submission

Fair enough, If that is what you believe I withdraw my objection to your choice of words.



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I'll figure that once I feel like I have a solid handle on them, which will ideally take place very soon into the story.