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[ImaginaryMatter]

I'm sure (hopeful) that there is some conversation in the game that explains this, but... is there an in game reason for why Miranda never reveals the location of Cronos station much earlier in the game? It seems like it could have saved every one a whole bunch of trouble.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cronos Station is mobile I believe.

[DeinonSlayer]

Something about the station moving from system to system. Without being noticed.

 

Which makes about as much sense as Moe getting Shamu back to SeaWorld without drawing attention.

 

 

"Hey, yeah, don't mind us!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Something about the station moving from system to system. Without being noticed.

 

Which makes about as much sense as Moe getting Shamu back to SeaWorld without drawing attention.

 

 

"Hey, yeah, don't mind us!"

 

Well, space is a very big place. Plus I'm sure it has top of the line stealth systems like many Cerberus bases seem to do.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Something about the station moving from system to system. Without being noticed.

 

Which makes about as much sense as Moe getting Shamu back to SeaWorld without drawing attention.

 

I guess that's technically an explanation but it sounds like a pretty terrible one. Where in the game does it say that?

[DeinonSlayer]

Well, space is a very big place. Plus I'm sure it has top of the line stealth systems like many Cerberus bases seem to do.

Space is big, but the space in the vicinity of a mass relay is not. I don't remember any mention of stealth systems being used by any ship or station Cerberus made besides the Normandy.

[DeinonSlayer]

I guess that's technically an explanation but it sounds like a pretty terrible one. Where in the game does it say that?

I've read it on these boards. Not sure of the original source. Probably one of the comics. It is, indeed, terrible - but I sadly can't say I'm surprised by that anymore.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Space is big, but the space in the vicinity of a mass relay is not. I don't remember any mention of stealth systems being used by any ship or station Cerberus made besides the Normandy.

The Salarians have a stealth fleet. It was either in a Codex or a War Asset description. And Cerberus has stealth technology since they built the Normandy SR2.

[von uber]

Stealth as long as someone doesn't look out of a window.

[DeinonSlayer]

The Salarians have a stealth fleet. It was either in a Codex or a War Asset description. 

Stealth dreadnoughts - that's a war asset which, I believe, only shows up if you sabotage the cure. But again, that's the Salarians, not Cronos Station or any other Cerberus tech. We see Cerberus cruisers left and right, but none of them are equipped with stealth systems.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Stealth dreadnoughts - that's a war asset which, I believe, only shows up if you sabotage the cure. But again, that's the Salarians, not Cronos Station or any other Cerberus tech. We see Cerberus cruisers left and right, but none of them are equipped with stealth systems.

I edited after you started your reply, but we know of at least one Cerberus ship with stealth systems: Normandy SR2.

[DeinonSlayer]

I edited after you started your reply, but we know of at least one Cerberus ship with stealth systems: Normandy SR2.

As I noted in the post you replied to.

 

Still, Cronos pre-dates the Normandy SR-1, and is never described as being equipped with a stealth system.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I've read it on these boards. Not sure of the original source. Probably one of the comics. It is, indeed, terrible - but I sadly can't say I'm surprised by that anymore.

 

Otherwise I can imagine this game being a lot shorter. Like HISHE shorter.

 

Miranda: "Shepard, my sister, I think she's gone missing again. I think my father and the Illusive Man might be behind this. I've come to the Citadel to ask some of my contacts to..."

 

Shepard: "Wait Miranda, I have a better idea..."

 

Later at the wreckage of Cronos station.

 

Hacket: "Shepard, that was damn good intel. This war would have been much longer if we continued to fight Cerberus across multiple fronts. They might have even interfered when you went to Thessia to pick up the Prothean VI or told the Reapers of our plans for the Crucible."

 

Shepard: "You can thank our greatest ex-Cerberus asssset for the intel Admiral."

[wolfhowwl]

I'm sure (hopeful) that there is some conversation in the game that explains this, but... is there an in game reason for why Miranda never reveals the location of Cronos station much earlier in the game? It seems like it could have saved every one a whole bunch of trouble.

 

I don't think there is.

 

Perhaps we can pretend that she was always brought to the station on a ship she didn't control and just wouldn't know its location. 

[CrutchCricket]

Space is big. No, really.

 

Even if Cronos doesn't move across relays that's still hundreds if not thousands of star systems you'd have to search in a cluster.

 

If it moves, it can't easily be found.

 

Plus, we know TIM likes to park it by a star but it doesn't have to be by a star every time. Simply moving to interstellar space would be hidden enough.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I edited after you started your reply, but we know of at least one Cerberus ship with stealth systems: Normandy SR2.

 

I don't even know if retrofitting the station with stealth technology would even be possible and that seems like the least of their worries. Imagine the size of the eezo core it would take to even move the station at FTL speeds or how every time we see it the station is in orbit around awesome background sun.

[von uber]

Can't they track mass relay traffic though (shadow broker reports note activity on the relays).

[CrutchCricket]

Can't they track mass relay traffic though (shadow broker reports note activity on the relays).

 

Fake transponders lol

 

But like I said the don't even need to move through relays.

[Invisible Man]

I wonder just how big a drivecore you'd need to propel a station that big at ftl speeds... unless it can be broken down into much smaller pieces, each with it's own small eezo core and drive system?

[dgcatanisiri]

Even if we disregard the idea that he moves the station around (which looks pretty thoroughly jossed considering that it's in the same place come 3), given that we only see Miranda on Cronos once, in the prologue of 2, she may have mostly interacted with TIM through holograms and been shipped out there. In a case like that, we could probably assume that TIM wrote some kind of program for her to be remotely flown out there and the location of Cronos never given to her. We know TIM's an expert programmer - he wrote Cerberus encryption protocols, if he wanted to create an autopilot that didn't give up where they were going, I doubt it would be too difficult for him. When the only information to go on is 'TIM's holed up on a space station orbiting a giant star with no planets'... That is in no way a way to narrow down the possibilities. In this galaxy, there are billions of stars. The charted galaxy in the ME-verse is only around one percent of the total, and the Citadel races have been space-faring civilizations for close to two thousand years. To pick that one star out of literally billions when they don't even know where to start... 'A needle in a haystack' is putting things optimistically.

[Invisible Man]

Even if we disregard the idea that he moves the station around (which looks pretty thoroughly jossed considering that it's in the same place come 3), given that we only see Miranda on Cronos once, in the prologue of 2, she may have mostly interacted with TIM through holograms and been shipped out there. In a case like that, we could probably assume that TIM wrote some kind of program for her to be remotely flown out there and the location of Cronos never given to her. We know TIM's an expert programmer - he wrote Cerberus encryption protocols, if he wanted to create an autopilot that didn't give up where they were going, I doubt it would be too difficult for him. When the only information to go on is 'TIM's holed up on a space station orbiting a giant star with no planets'... That is in no way a way to narrow down the possibilities. In this galaxy, there are billions of stars. The charted galaxy in the ME-verse is only around one percent of the total, and the Citadel races have been space-faring civilizations for close to two thousand years. To pick that one star out of literally billions when they don't even know where to start... 'A needle in a haystack' is putting things optimistically.

it's more like a needle in a stack of needles.

[jtav]

According to Retribution, the station is moved after every time an operative comes aboard, and only a half dozen of those have ever been permitted aboard.

[KaiserShep]

Space is big, but the space in the vicinity of a mass relay is not.

 

Actually, this isn't really true at all. We only have access to just a fraction of the relays in existence, but then there's all the clusters and systems that surround each one for many light years. The station could hide in orbit of any star in any cluster many LY from just about any active relay and it would take forever to find it, especially if it's parked next to stars with no planets and no other celestial bodies of interest, like an asteroid belt with mining potential. It could even occasionally just sit out in deep space, much like the heretic station out in the Sea of Storms. Without Legion to guide us there, the chances of even stumbling across it would be infinitesimal.

 

Thing is, with as much room to maneuver, the station would not need to travel through a relay. It can simply jump from star to star within a certain vicinity of space and still have plenty of places to hide.

[marcelo caldas]

 

 

Otherwise I can imagine this game being a lot shorter. Like HISHE shorter.

 

Miranda: "Shepard, my sister, I think she's gone missing again. I think my father and the Illusive Man might be behind this. I've come to the Citadel to ask some of my contacts to..."

 

Shepard: "Wait Miranda, I have a better idea..."

 

Later at the wreckage of Cronos station.

 

Hacket: "Shepard, that was damn good intel. This war would have been much longer if we continued to fight Cerberus across multiple fronts. They might have even interfered when you went to Thessia to pick up the Prothean VI or told the Reapers of our plans for the Crucible."

 

Shepard: "You can thank our greatest ex-Cerberus asssset for the intel Admiral."

 

Actually it would be much better than what we had in ME3. 

[DeinonSlayer]

According to Retribution, the station is moved after every time an operative comes aboard, and only a half dozen of those have ever been permitted aboard.

So a station described as being able to dock multiple ships is moved every time a single person comes aboard? Seriously?