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[Daemul]

Actually, this isn't really true at all. We only have access to just a fraction of the relays in existence, but then there's all the clusters and systems that surround each one for many light years. The station could hide in orbit of any star in any cluster many LY from just about any active relay and it would take forever to find it, especially if it's parked next to stars with no planets and no other celestial bodies of interest, like an asteroid belt with mining potential. It could even occasionally just sit out in deep space, much like the heretic station out in the Sea of Storms. Without Legion to guide us there, the chances of even stumbling across it would be infinitesimal.

 

Thing is, with as much room to maneuver, the station would not need to travel through a relay. It can simply jump from star to star within a certain vicinity of space and still have plenty of places to hide.

This.

 

Space is extraordinarily massive, Cronos Station can hide out there for years with no fear of being found. It would be like someone dropping a small stone into the bottom of the ocean and then coming to you and telling you to try and find it. Good luck.

[DeinonSlayer]

This.

Space is extraordinarily massive, Cronos Station can hide out there for years with no fear of being found. It would be like someone dropping a small stone into a random part of the ocean and then coming to you and telling you to try and find it. Good luck.

Only it isn't hiding out beyond some dormant relay they reactivated (which would itself draw attention if done anywhere besides the Terminus) - it's hiding out past Noveria.

How did they smuggle something that size past Noveria?

[jtav]

So a station described as being able to dock multiple ships is moved every time a single person comes aboard? Seriously?

Yep

 

"As cautious as the Illusive Man was with his operatives and operations, he was downright paranoid when it came to protecting this one location. Including Kai Leng, who was on board right now, only six Cerberus field operatives had ever set foot on this space station. Each time one of them visited he had the crew relocate the vessel to another system as soon as the guest departed. The mobility preserved the secrecy, as did the harsh personnel screening practices used to recruit the onboard crew. The two dozen Cerberus agents who manned the unnamed space station that served as his inner sanctum were the most loyal and devoted of his followers. These were the fanatics, the zealots."

 

It looks like Cronos' nature was retconned quite a bit.

[KaiserShep]

Only it isn't hiding out beyond some dormant relay they reactivated (which would itself draw attention if done anywhere besides the Terminus) - it's hiding out past Noveria.

How did they smuggle something that size past Noveria?

 

Thing is, where and when was the station even built?

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Was there actually a desperate need to go to Chronos Station before Ceberus obtained Vendetta? The galaxy can only fight one war at a time and I'd think the Reapers were maybe a bit more pressing that Cerberus. And then after Sanctuary does Miranda really know where Kai Leng is going next? Was it definitely said that he was going to Cerberus HQ? I can't recall.

 

Then again I do remember one of your squadmates mentioning shipments to TIM that could be used to trace his location but that idea dropped as soon as it comes up. Unless that's how Shepard finds Chronos Station in a playtrhough where Miranda dies during the SM? I've never had Miranda die in ME2 so I don't know.

[themikefest]

Miranda is able to put a tracer on Leng before he leaves Horizon

[Invisible Man]

Was there actually a desperate need to go to Chronos Station before Ceberus obtained Vendetta? The galaxy can only fight one war at a time and I'd think the Reapers were maybe a bit more pressing that Cerberus. And then after Sanctuary does Miranda really know where Kai Leng is going next? Was it definitely said that he was going to Cerberus HQ? I can't recall.
 
Then again I do remember one of your squadmates mentioning shipments to TIM that could be used to trace his location but that idea dropped as soon as it comes up. Unless that's how Shepard finds Chronos Station in a playtrhough where Miranda dies during the SM? I've never had Miranda die in ME2 so I don't know.

I thought it was possible for kai leng to kill Miranda at horizon if you didn't give her the alliance intel, or talk to her about leng post coup? or that's what I've heard. never actually went that way myself.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

I thought it was possible for kai leng to kill Miranda at horizon if you didn't give her the alliance intel, or talk to her about leng post coup? or that's what I've heard. never actually went that way myself.

 

Yeah, but she still slips a tracer on him before she dies. I know that. I was talking about playtroughs where she isn't present at all due to dying on the SM.

 

I know Oriana basically takes her place but does she tag Kai Leng too? Or does Shepard trace Leng some other way?

[JeffZero]

Via Orianna somehow.

[themikefest]

I've done that before.

 

From what I remember Hackett mentions that it took a lot of digging to find the base and that Cerberus knows the Alliance is coming.

[JeffZero]

Oh. Lame.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Was there actually a desperate need to go to Chronos Station before Ceberus obtained Vendetta? The galaxy can only fight one war at a time and I'd think the Reapers were maybe a bit more pressing that Cerberus. And then after Sanctuary does Miranda really know where Kai Leng is going next? Was it definitely said that he was going to Cerberus HQ? I can't recall.

 

Then again I do remember one of your squadmates mentioning shipments to TIM that could be used to trace his location but that idea dropped as soon as it comes up. Unless that's how Shepard finds Chronos Station in a playtrhough where Miranda dies during the SM? I've never had Miranda die in ME2 so I don't know.

 

I figure the main reason to attack Cronos Station ASAP is that it serves as Cerberus's center of operations. Destroying the base could effectively eliminate Cerberus as a threat instead of fighting them on what seems to be hundreds of different fronts.

 

Which is where the main problem and my question comes in. Since Miranda was such a high ranking member in Cerberus and we clearly see her face-to-face with TIM it seems perfectly reasonable to assume she knows where in fact the base, which is why I asked if the series ever addressed this plot hole. Apparently it was addressed, although the reason is pretty lame aka moving space station. Although a lot of these sort of problems seem to hound Cerberus throughout the series.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Let's just chalk it up to the whole Cerberus retcon and leave it at that. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Miranda is able to put a tracer on Leng before he leaves Horizon

 

Must be one hell of a powerful transmitter to expose his location anywhere in the galaxy...

 

"Operative Leng... are you certain you haven't been compromised?"

 

 

"...No?"

[edisnooM]

Personally I'd like to know how Traynor tracked Leng to Horizon when he seems to have gone to Cronos Station first.

[dorktainian]

if the base moves, then why is it always situated in front of the same unstable magical mood sensing colour changing star during TIMs appearences on it?

[ImaginaryMatter]

if the base moves, then why is it always situated in front of the same unstable magical mood sensing colour changing star during TIMs appearences on it?

 

I guess the simple answer would be coincidence. Otherwise I guess TIM has a hot spot for Shepard sensitive stars and likes to move the bases to and from there.

 

It makes me wonder though. Since stations or things of that size can apparently move, I wonder why no one bothered to make some sort of super ship (Colossus class?) that had a mass accelerator that ran the length of the super ship.

[Bob from Accounting]

I guess the simple answer would be coincidence. Otherwise I guess TIM has a hot spot for Shepard sensitive stars and likes to move the bases to and from there.

 

It makes me wonder though. Since stations or things of that size can apparently move, I wonder why no one bothered to make some sort of super ship (Colossus class?) that had a mass accelerator that ran the length of the super ship.

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Is that a serious question?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

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Is that a serious question?

 

Are you going to give a serious answer?

[Jukaga]

Space is big, but the space in the vicinity of a mass relay is not. I don't remember any mention of stealth systems being used by any ship or station Cerberus made besides the Normandy.

Maybe it doesn't use the relays and relies on FTL. So what if it takes a few weeks to move from star to star? And iirc in ME lore ships in FTL are not detectable until they emerge back into realspace.

[ImaginaryMatter]

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Is that a serious question?

 

Sure. Why not. Since the technology seems to be available why wouldn't it be utilized? Such a thing could probably 1-shot a Reaper capital ship, why are Dreadnoughts the largest size of ship everyone seems to make?

 

Then again I'm asking someone who probably graduated ****** laude at Pretentious U. to thing outside their narrow confines so I'm expecting some scoffing ahead.

[DirtySHISN0]

if the base moves, then why is it always situated in front of the same unstable magical mood sensing colour changing star during TIMs appearences on it?

 
People look infront of the star, on top of the star, to the sides of the star......
 
Meanwhile, behind the star.

[Bob from Accounting]

Sure. Why not. Since the technology seems to be available why wouldn't it be utilized? Such a thing could probably 1-shot a Reaper capital ship, why are Dreadnoughts the largest size of ship everyone seems to make?

 

Then again I'm asking someone who probably graduated ****** laude at Pretentious U. to thing outside their narrow confines so I'm expecting some scoffing ahead.

 

First of all, big things being capable of moving is not really what I'd call a technology. That's just...common sense. Big things obey the laws of physics just like small things. Of course big things are theoretically mobile given enough applied force.

 

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I mean, can you really not think of a single reason why building a 'colossal' ship might not be a feasible idea? You say nobody 'bothered' to do it as if such a thing is akin to walking down the street and buying a load of bread.

 

Not to mention that 'colossal' is relative. The current biggest ships are 1 km long and you're wondering why nobody builds a 5 km ship. So if the biggest ship was 5 km long, would you be claiming that everyone should be building 25 km long ships? 125 km long? How big is big enough for you not to be thinking that it's obvious we need to build them way bigger?

[ImaginaryMatter]

First of all, big things being capable of moving is not really what I'd call a technology. That's just...common sense. Big things obey the laws of physics just like small things. Of course big things are theoretically mobile given enough applied force.

 

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I mean, can you really not think of a single reason why building a 'colossal' ship might not be a feasible idea? You say nobody 'bothered' to do it as if such a thing is akin to walking down the street and buying a load of bread.

 

Not to mention that 'colossal' is relative. The current biggest ships are 1 km long and you're wondering why nobody builds a 5 km ship. So if the biggest ship was 5 km long, would you be claiming that everyone should be building 25 km long ships? 125 km long? How big is big enough for you not to be thinking that it's obvious we need to build them way bigger?

 

And you never fail to be predictable Bobvid. What exactly is your deal though? I want to know because it's hard to have a conversation when you continuously straw man or misrepresent what people say. Is it possible for you to have an argument or conversation with any body without resorting to derision? Or do you do it on purpose so you can scoff at people. I'll give you an answer once I know where you are coming from so we can stay on topic and I don't have to chase down all these derailments you insist on setting up.

[rekn2]

Stealth as long as someone doesn't look out of a window.

and thats still far beyond a needle in a hay stack