Would it be possible to strengthen long and thin ships somehow?
Probably. But I see no reason why such measures wouldn't be included on shorter ships and well.
So either both of them will have the upgrades or neither of them will. Either way, the longer one is weaker.
Would it be possible to strengthen long and thin ships somehow?
Probably. But I see no reason why such measures wouldn't be included on shorter ships and well.
So either both of them will have the upgrades or neither of them will. Either way, the longer one is weaker.
That's intentionally limiting the possibilities David.
Let me ask you: what is the advantage of having a shorter ship? And what are the disadvantages?
I gave you the reason.
No amount of 'design' can overcome simple physics.
Okay, yes the longer ships are more vulnerable. But the thing is we don't know if the typical forces war ships experience is enough to break this longer, thinner warship. Take for example long pencils. These pencils are more vulnerable than your average pencil, however, the routine forces it undergoes in serving as a pencil isn't enough to break it. It's only when you start subjecting the pencil to forces it was not designed to handle, like breaking it over your knee, that the pencil breaks.
For the warships we don't know if making them longer is enough to enough to overcome the integrety of the materials making up the ship during manuevers and combat. If the ship could be lengthened and still do everything a ship of shorter length could do why would the engineers make it wider for the sake of forces the ship is not going to experience? If people wanted to build ships for maximum durability they would all look like spheres (or whatever the most durable object is).
Throughout the series we see a variety of ship designs ranging from more spherical to longer and thinner ship designs. The design of ships in the Mass Effect universe could very easily be influenced by other factors other than limitations imposed by the durability of ship materials. Maybe frigates are designed to have a certain width so the crew won't constantly run into each other in a narrow hallway. Maybe after the ship gets wide enough to easily facilitate the crew they just make ships longer to facilitate the length of larger mass accelerators.
Its possible that when they say TIM says the station changes location, it could be that the station is towed by other large Cerberus vessels.
Its possible that when they say TIM says the station changes location, it could be that the station is towed by other large Cerberus vessels.
Possibly, although I can't imagine them doing so at FTL speeds.
Possibly, although I can't imagine them doing so at FTL speeds.
says who? why?
you ask david the big boy questions well theres some for you!
Okay, yes the longer ships are more vulnerable. But the thing is we don't know if the typical forces war ships experience is enough to break this longer, thinner warship. Take for example long pencils. These pencils are more vulnerable than your average pencil, however, the routine forces it undergoes in serving as a pencil isn't enough to break it. It's only when you start subjecting the pencil to forces it was not designed to handle, like breaking it over your knee, that the pencil breaks.
For the warships we don't know if making them longer is enough to enough to overcome the integrety of the materials making up the ship during manuevers and combat. If the ship could be lengthened and still do everything a ship of shorter length could do why would the engineers make it wider for the sake of forces the ship is not going to experience? If people wanted to build ships for maximum durability they would all look like spheres (or whatever the most durable object is).
Throughout the series we see a variety of ship designs ranging from more spherical to longer and thinner ship designs. The design of ships in the Mass Effect universe could very easily be influenced by other factors other than limitations imposed by the durability of ship materials. Maybe frigates are designed to have a certain width so the crew won't constantly run into each other in a narrow hallway. Maybe after the ship gets wide enough to easily facilitate the crew they just make ships longer to facilitate the length of larger mass accelerators.
are you assuming the designers of the fiction ships in a fictional universe know a thing about physics. are you really giving examples of science through fiction?
are you assuming the designers of the fiction ships in a fictional universe know a thing about physics. are you really giving examples of science through fiction?
This isn't an argument and it's a piss-poor excuse at best. It's science-fiction, not fantasy. Just because we suspend our disbelief on certain things doesn't mean fundamental laws of the universe go out the window and you can do whatever the **** you want. Even most fantasy fictions tries to establish internal consistency and the best ones are the ones with their rules clearly laid out.
says who? why?
you ask david the big boy questions well theres some for you!
Time to act like a big boy then, don't you think?
says who? why?
you ask david the big boy questions well theres some for you!
Well in order to travel at FTL speeds the mass of the object needs to be decreased signigicantly. Since the station is being towed it is presumably doing nothing, not even generating a mass effect field, which means the ships are towing a very massive object which would prevent FTL speeds.
are you assuming the designers of the fiction ships in a fictional universe know a thing about physics. are you really giving examples of science through fiction?
I was just trying to point out that there is nothing in the universe to say we can or cannot make ships longer, as we do not know why ships are designed the way they are or the strength of materials, etc.
If I remember correctly, the only thing actually restricting ship size is the exponential increase in eezo required to generate sufficient mass effects fields to achieve FTL speeds and negate structural stress.
What's the issue?
The station moves and therefore it's pretty difficult to pinpoint its location. Although Miranda has been there, it's never confirmed that she knew where 'there' was. Also, do you know how hard it is to find an object of that size in a vast solar system? Not easy....
At first we (I) were wondering why Miranda never told Shepard the station's location. Now we're expressing disbelief with the idea that space stations can apparently move now.
My whole thing with the ships is that if the station can move then it's not really a station anymore but just a very large ship. And if the technology and eezo apparently exists to facilitate such a large structure moving why every race limits their ships to roughly 1km. This all goes back to saying that Cerberus can start doing very impressive, unbelievable feats when the plot calls for it.
If I remember correctly, the only thing actually restricting ship size is the exponential increase in eezo required to generate sufficient mass effects fields to achieve FTL speeds and negate structural stress.
I always thought it was the mass of the structures that were the debilitating aspect. Like the engines are only capable of generating so much thrust, and can only move the ship to some sublight speed v. Thus if the mass is decreased (relativity doesn't apply apparently), momentum is conserved and the ship can go faster than light. MoriginalV<c = MME FieldV>c.
My whole thing with the ships is that if the station can move then it's not really a station anymore but just a very large ship. And if the technology and eezo apparently exists to facilitate such a large structure moving why every race limits their ships to roughly 1km. This all goes back to saying that Cerberus can start doing very impressive, unbelievable feats when the plot calls for it.
Well why not? That'd be another subtle little misdirection. We're looking all over for a space station and it's a ship all along.
As for space stations moving... meh. It's happened before:
Let's not forget the Citadel can be moved as well.
Well why not? That'd be another subtle little misdirection. We're looking all over for a space station and it's a ship all along.
My issue with it isn't so much that the station is moving, but that it is massive and it can move.
Let's not forget the Citadel can be moved as well.
Ugh. Don't even get me started on that, although it's mostly for different reasons.
Well why not? That'd be another subtle little misdirection. We're looking all over for a space station and it's a ship all along.
As for space stations moving... meh. It's happened before:
Technically, the Death Star IS a space ship. Just a huge one. The Citadel races have the Destiny Ascension. The Empire has a mobile moon with a planet destroying superlaser.
Reapers are pretty big and they move. And we are studying parts of Sovereign...
Honestly we only hear about the Thanix being reverse engineered, but maybe we were able to get something from its drive core as well. And Cerberus does have a history of sticking abnormally large eezo cores in things (Normandy).
At the end of the day, I can accept that Cronos moves. It may require more explanation to cement it but it's not immediately implausible.
Technically, the Death Star IS a space ship. Just a huge one.
It's classed as a space station/battle station in literally everything Star Wars.
Really, there is nothing in the inherent definition of a space station that says it can't move. We're over-thinking this.
It's classed as a space station/battle station in literally everything Star Wars.
Really, there is nothing in the inherent definition of a space station that says it can't move. We're over-thinking this.
Oh, I know it's called a battlestation.
Ssing Star Wars technology as an example for Mass Effect is a bad idea. Seeing as Star Wars is infinitely more advanced and Mass Effect has some semblance of achievable technology.
MoriginalV<c = MME FieldV>c.
Don't post equations if you don't know what they mean.
My whole thing with the ships is that if the station can move then it's not really a station anymore but just a very large ship. And if the technology and eezo apparently exists to facilitate such a large structure moving why every race limits their ships to roughly 1km. This all goes back to saying that Cerberus can start doing very impressive, unbelievable feats when the plot calls for it.
Oh my God. No.
A space station is not a ship. It doesn't suffer from limitations ships suffer from.
A ship is expected to move at high speeds. The station is probably not. I don't get the feeling that Cerberus would particularly care how fast the station moves so long as it does. The station could easily be moving at slower than light speeds. Speeds a fraction of a percent that spaceships are expected to move at. And thus require engines a producing a fraction of the thrust.
Don't post equations if you don't know what they mean.
You mean conservation of momentum?
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