The Wardens are a very 'Any means neccesary' organization. We see it several times with Duncan murdering Jory, the Legacy, The Calling. I think a lot of Blackwalls story will revolve around his issues with what the Wardens have done.
I think that was the moment where I went from liking the wardens to loving them. I would have liked them if they were just a bunch of good guys, but I love them for being more complex and darker. It's so much more fascinating.
I agree, I never saw them as a group of knights in shining armor. And even my good wardens did some nasty stuff! Like saving the anvil and siding with the Architect (for science!).
My Wardens did their best to adhere to their own morals (Like destroying the anvil) but one can't always (Like my Dwarf Noble, my main canon, put Bhelen on the Throne and recruited Loghain despite what Alistair said).
So makes me wonder if Blackwall is someone who supports the ideal of Ends justifying the means or if he doesn't.
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@Allan Shumacher: I have no idea, sexuality is something that doesn't involve the rational mind but mostly instinct, anyway it's just a matter of sexual attraction,not at all a discrimination. I'm truly sorry for those who hoped for a bi one. I was just saying that the fact he's straight makes him perfect for MY personal taste, my way of being. Anyway I read also many gay people saying the same about bi LIs and noone dared to complain, noone called them 'trolls' nor 'bigots' and so on. That's why I lost my temper seeing the kind of attacks ladyofpayne received for talking (naively?) freely about her sexuality, and the 'knight defender of the oppressed' that is in me popped out. The same knight would have popped out also if a gay was attacked for talking freely of his sexuality. That's all.
I think that was the moment where I went from liking the wardens to loving them. I would have liked them if they were just a bunch of good guys, but I love them for being more complex and darker. It's so much more fascinating.
I think it's an even more effecting moment because up until that point Duncan seems like the best, most noble man you'd ever meet. And even when he's killing Jory you can see it pains him, but he knows he must. That really drove home the 'This is about stopping the blight at whatever cost'
I think that was the moment where I went from liking the wardens to loving them. I would have liked them if they were just a bunch of good guys, but I love them for being more complex and darker. It's so much more fascinating.
I think that's part of the reason 2's story felt a little more lack luster (At least for me). The Wardens got pushed into a background force, one of the most interesting aspects of the Dragon Age world given a backseat... Yeah, that can sour a few things.
I think he'll be up for whatever serves the greater good. If you have to sacrifice a few soldiers to win a war, well that's a necessary sacrifice. Whether or not that view extends to civilians is yet to be determined. I suppose that will be the deciding factor in which Quizzie I design for him.
I think he'll be up for whatever serves the greater good. If you have to sacrifice a few soldiers to win a war, well that's a necessary sacrifice. Whether or not that view extends to civilians is yet to be determined. I suppose that will be the deciding factor in which Quizzie I design for him.
I'd say he would only take the pragmatic route if and only if there is no other way, a last resort.
@Allan Shumacher: I have no idea, sexuality is something that doesn't involve the rational mind but mostly instinct, anyway it's just a matter of sexual attraction,not at all a discrimination. I'm truly sorry for those who hoped for a bi one. I was just saying that the fact he's straight makes him perfect for MY personal taste, my way of being. Anyway I read also many gay people saying the same about bi LIs and noone dared to complain, noone called them 'trolls' nor 'bigots' and so on. That's why I lost my temper seeing the kind of attacks ladyofpayne received for talking (naively?) freely about her sexuality, and the 'knight defender of the oppressed' that is in me popped out. The same knight would have popped out also if a gay was attacked for talking freely of his sexuality. That's all.
I think he'll be up for whatever serves the greater good. If you have to sacrifice a few soldiers to win a war, well that's a necessary sacrifice. Whether or not that view extends to civilians is yet to be determined. I suppose that will be the deciding factor in which Quizzie I design for him.
I think that's kind of the point of Blackwall though, he's an idealist. He's the knight in shining armor in an organization that doesn't care to be noble or good. They just want the job done. I think his story will be about either coming to terms with what the Wardens really are or Deciding that he simply doesn't belong there.
As a Bi man myself, it's absolutely everywhere.
I've never been with anyone bisexual that I know of, but I'll take a shot at the "why" question that Allan brought up.
I think if I were to put myself into the shoes of a straight woman (I am a straight woman, so not too hard there) who found herself dating a bisexual man, but not knowing he was bisexual from the get go, and then finding out on a date suddenly that he was bisexual... Let me do kind of a roleplay, here.
The setting: At a popular restaurant after seeing a movie, third date.
Me: So, Allan, I really liked that movie that we just saw.
Allan: I did, too! What did you think about that--
*Suddenly interrupted by an attractive gentleman coming up to the table*
UP (Unidentified person) Hi Allan! Oh my gosh, I've missed seeing you! How have you been? I hope I'm not interrupting your dinner.
Allan: Oh, hi Michael! No, you're not. This is my date, Chanda. Chanda, this is my ex-boyfriend, Michael.
Me: Uh, hello...*Thinking to self, "Ex boyfriend? Is he gay? What does he mean, ex boyfriend?"
Michael: So, Allan, I have to run, but I really enjoyed seeing you. I'll text you later. Nice meeting you, Chanda.
Me: You too.
Allan: *watches him leave*
Allan: So, what were we talking about? Oh, the movie.
Me: He's your ex boyfriend?
Allan: Yes! We dated a month or so ago.
Me: Umm... I... Am not sure what to think. Are you gay? Why are you here with me?
Allan: Oh, I like men and women.
Me: *quiet*
Allan: Are you alright?
Me: Just confused.
So anyway, I think it's a matter that as a straight woman, I wouldn't really know how to identify with someone who swings both ways, especially if I was interested in them. It's not a matter of the bisexual being the problem, but a matter of open mindedness for myself. I would feel insecure, constantly wondering if he preferred certain things that I didn't have (like certain genitalia, or six pack abs, or other more masculine features). He wouldn't be the problem, I would be the problem. By my own insecurities. It would take me quite a while to get used to the idea.
I think it's an even more effecting moment because up until that point Duncan seems like the best, most noble man you'd ever meet. And even when he's killing Jory you can see it pains him, but he knows he must. That really drove home the 'This is about stopping the blight at whatever cost'
I think that's part of the reason 2's story felt a little more lack luster (At least for me). The Wardens got pushed into a background force, one of the most interesting aspects of the Dragon Age world given a backseat... Yeah, that can sour a few things.
I have no likes but I agree with you guys! I loved what that moment told you about Duncan, and I was so sad about the Wardens being pushed to the background in DA2. But it also made me wonder what they were up to, something tells me that their part in Inquisition will be great. I just hope they haven't gone completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. I would hate it if we end up as enemies! And I could never kill people like Sigrun, Nathaniel and Carver. I love them too much.
I think that's part of the reason 2's story felt a little more lack luster (At least for me). The Wardens got pushed into a background force, one of the most interesting aspects of the Dragon Age world given a backseat... Yeah, that can sour a few things.
I was a bit miffed the Wardens played such a small roll in DA2 as well. And the only time they did show up was to (potentially) recruit your sibling in the Deep Roads or to pop into Kirkwall only as a drive by.
"Sorry, but we've got more important things to do... bye."
"Really?! A Qunari invasion isn't on your to-do list? PS - Someone's about to blow up the chantry in 3 years. Jerk."
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@The Elder King: I didn't but I'm not a frequent visitor of forums, I just did it in the last few weeks because I was waiting for THE news 
P.S. can someone please show me how the @çc* to quote? 
I was a bit miffed the Wardens played such a small roll in DA2 as well. And the only time they did show up was to (potentially) recruit your sibling in the Deep Roads or to pop into Kirkwall only as a drive by.
"Sorry, but we've got more important things to do... bye."
"Really?! A Qunari invasion isn't on your to-do list? PS - Someone's about to blow up the chantry in 3 years. Jerk."
"Lol sorry we don't get involved in politics... Except when we do"
@The Elder King: I didn't but I'm not a frequent visitor of forums, I just did it in the last few weeks because I was waiting for THE news
P.S. can someone please show me how the @çc* to quote?
If you're not on mobile, it should be in the bottom right corner of someone's post.
"Lol sorry we don't get involved in politics... Except when we do"
It's to keep everyone guessing.
"Are you getting involved now?" -"Nope."
"How about now?" -"Nope."
[...]
*says nothing* -"Surprise: now we are."
@The Elder King: I didn't but I'm not a frequent visitor of forums, I just did it in the last few weeks because I was waiting for THE news
P.S. can someone please show me how the @çc* to quote?
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@Zakhar: I use that botton but it doesn't work, I click on 'quote' and a white window opens, I write in it then post the message, and... nothing, it turns out to be a new message 
I have to say, Aimo's comic's have infected me with the desire to play a female cadash who romances Blackwall. 
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@The Elder King: yes I am, are you?
@Zakhar: I use that botton but it doesn't work, I click on 'quote' and a white window opens, I write in it then post the message, and... nothing, it turns out to be a new message
I had to load chrome for it to work. Maybe that's an issue for you as well?
It's to keep everyone guessing.
"Are you getting involved now?" -"Nope."
"How about now?" -"Nope."
[...]
*says nothing* -"Surprise: now we are."
That whole Orzammar succession crisis? Nope, had nothing to do with it.
The Warden King? Nope, nothing to do with that either.
Being both an Arl and the Warden Command? Nope, nothing involved there either.
Basically being in charge of the Anderfels? Sorry, we've disproven those claims.
@Zakhar: I use that botton but it doesn't work, I click on 'quote' and a white window opens, I write in it then post the message, and... nothing, it turns out to be a new message
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