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[Dusksworn]

So you're saying that he's the Conrad Verner of DA?

Perhaps something like that, but seemingly more competent.

 

There's one key detail here.

 

What "Blackwall" tells us of his history does not match what Warden-Constable Blackwall wrote in World of Thedas.

 

That Blackwall didn't fight in Ferelden. Rather he did nothing and waited while the Blight consumed it. Strange for a man whose motto is "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

 

Also, how he claims he used to be a nobody is just so interesting...

 

 

When he mentioned the Fereldan thing I thought the exactly the same thing. Now in the World of Thedas book there is a part where a Warden-Constable Blackwall addresses recruits in 9:30 about how Fereldan is basically doomed and they have to wait for it to fall since Loghain closed the borders. Now the way it's worded there is no way he could do that and then go to Fereldan unless it's a writing mistake, he's lying or if they're not the same Blackwall.

It's interesting his interview never states he's a warden http://www.dragonage...ofile-blackwall rather he's invested in the idea of grey wardens. That he sees wardens as defenders of the people and When asked  as what it was like to write him Chee said "At least part of it was asking why someone might find the Grey Wardens appealing." Seems like he's a fanboy or taking up the honor of a friend who was a Warden without actually being one. Or I'm just looking into this too much

 

You're not looking too much into it at all.

 

I think you're probably right.

[Avejajed]

This is a really fascinating theory you guys have over here. It'll be interesting to see if it's true.

[panamakira]

That theory....woah....here for speculation. If and a big "IF" this theory turns out to be true, how would you guys feel about Blackwall? It's hard to tell because we haven't played the game yet but it would be really interesting to me if it was.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Can't say I think it's true, but...hey, I guess that'd be a reason for him to have been so AWOL in the marketing.

[panamakira]

Yeah that would be a possible reason. Maybe people would've caught on to speculate about him a lot early. A lot of people seem to favor him off of the recruitment video alone, mostly because his character design + VA work so well together.

[AresKeith]

Yeah that would be a possible reason. Maybe people would've caught on to speculate about him a lot early. A lot of people seem to favor him off of the recruitment video alone, mostly because his character design + VA work so well together.

 

I still see Sean Bean in him    

[Dusksworn]

That theory....woah....here for speculation. If and a big "IF" this theory turns out to be true, how would you guys feel about Blackwall? It's hard to tell because we haven't played the game yet but it would be really interesting to me if it was.

Honestly, I think it would make him one of the best characters in the game, if not the best. The fact that it's not obvious just makes it more impressive.

 

There are definitely discrepancies between what he tells us and the official records of the Warden Blackwall. The fact that he's a liar is already confirmed. The only question left is exactly how much he's lying about.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I haven't actually watched the second video yet so I don't know, but is it not possible he's just holding back information rather than outright lying? His romance description thingy did imply he was a bit closed-off.

[panamakira]

Honestly, I think it would make him one of the best characters in the game, if not the best. The fact that it's not obvious just makes it more impressive.

 

There are definitely discrepancies between what he tells us and the official records of the Warden Blackwall. The fact that he's a liar is already confirmed. The only question left is exactly how much he's lying about.

 

I am so curious about this. Something to look forward when playing the game. Whether this theory could possibly be true. Maybe he took on the identity of "Warden Blackwall" but isn't in fact one like you said. He would be one of the most interesting characters, mainly because it's not the obvious angle we were expecting. 

 

In the recruitment video he does say:

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"Grey Wardens can inspire, make you better than you think you are."

 

This is all speculation though!

[Dusksworn]

I haven't actually watched the second video yet so I don't know, but is it not possible he's just holding back information rather than outright lying? His romance description thingy did imply he was a bit closed-off.

It's an actual complete mismatch with the quote from Warden-Constable Blackwall in World of Thedas. There is no way both are possible and the way he describes it doesn't make total sense. The actions described and the personality are completely different from that Blackwall and the Blackwall we see.

 

Also, Blackwall is mysteriously the only "Warden" around who hasn't mysteriously disappeared, and if I'm right about what's causing their disappearances, he should have disappeared with them if he was really a Warden.

 

 

I am so curious about this. Something to look forward when playing the game. Whether this theory could possibly be true. Maybe he took on the identity of "Warden Blackwall" but isn't in fact one like you said. He would be one of the most interesting characters, mainly because it's not the obvious angle we were expecting. 

 

In the recruitment video he does say:

Spoiler

"Grey Wardens can inspire, make you better than you think you are."

 

This is all speculation though!

 

Exactly. That quote illustrates a particular aspect of his personality that got me thinking that he's deliberately using the image of a Grey Warden, but might not actually be one.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Also, Blackwall is mysteriously the only "Warden" around who hasn't mysteriously disappeared, and if I'm right about what's causing their disappearances, he should have disappeared with them if he was really a Warden.

 

Well, apparently, there's also 

 

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Stroud.

 

And, potentially

 

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Loghain.

 

 

 

 

It's an interesting though, but I'm skeptical. We'll see, I guess. :S

[Dusksworn]

Well, apparently, there's also 

 

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Stroud.

 

And, potentially

 

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Loghain.

 

 

 

 

It's an interesting though, but I'm skeptical. We'll see, I guess. :S

 

Oh, I know those two are still existent, but I do wonder if they might be outside of the area in which the Wardens disappeared whereas Blackwall was not.

 

Whatever the case, the Blackwall in WoT is a very different Blackwall from the one that Blackwall claims to be.

[katerinafm]

Or they could have just retconned that piece of letter lore that they probably forgot about/didn't think we would find and analyze and just used the same name and changed the history of the character? I'm not saying the theory is wrong, but taking that old letter as law instead of what we've gotten so far from the game itself seems pretty rush. It would be interesting though. And I wouldn't mind Blackwall not dying from the taint

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

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Loghain and Stroud are both stationed in Orlais if I recall, and, according to Last Flight, the Orlesian Wardens are the ones who have mysteriously gone silent. 

 

Blackwall not going off the grid might be attributed to his lone wolf status.

 

 

I'll take your word for the second part. As I said, haven't watched the video. :S

[Dusksworn]

Or they could have just retconned that piece of letter lore that they probably forgot about/didn't think we would find and analyze and just used the same name and changed the history of the character? I'm not saying the theory is wrong, but taking that old letter as law instead of what we've gotten so far from the game itself seems pretty rush. It would be interesting though. And I wouldn't mind Blackwall not dying from the taint

Maybe it was reconned, but the two are so different that they're basically opposites.

 

Either Blackwall is a lying coward or he's a lying impostor.

[Olivia]

(Hello, first time poster here.  Usually I quietly lurk but these last few days of waiting are excruciating.  Hope everyone else is having as miserable of a time waiting as I am!  Love this thread though, it's a lot of fun.)

 

Anyhow, that theory really caught my interest!  It'll be really interesting to see how Blackwall's story compares with all the speculation. So far, I think the image of him is slightly different from what a lot of people expected!

I for one, am leaning towards the "false-warden" idea. Or at least something very similar. He's definitely hiding something.

[GenericEnemy]

Wasn't there something about a 

 

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Griffin-themed children's rocking chair being an important part of Blackwall's storyline?

 

 

It would be a fairly interesting plotline to find out that this competent, honorable guy is actually just someone who always strived to be a Warden since he was a child, but was never able to get there. 

[panamakira]

I didn't get a chance to finish Last Flight, but now I feel it might be more relevant to the Wardens role in Inquisition. The fact no one knows where they are including Blackwall. Hmmm.....

[panamakira]

Wasn't there something about a 

 

Spoiler

 

Griffin-themed children's rocking chair being an important part of Blackwall's storyline?

 

 

It would be a fairly interesting plotline to find out that this competent, honorable guy is actually just someone who always strived to be a Warden since he was a child, but was never able to get there. 

 

That brings up the question, how common is it to see a Grey Warden? To meet one, talk to one, join the order, etc? I imagine like any organization there would be recruiting involved. Heck poor Duncan was desperate enough to look around during the Origins story for one.

 

The impression I got from DA:O was that they weren't really common unless the Blight came knocking? Otherwise they would be doing their own thing away from the public's eye. Would make sense Blackwall wouldn't have the chance to encounter one?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Riordan said there are quite a few in Orlais, where Blackwall was said to be stationed for a while at least, only a handful in Ferelden and other nations, and a few thousand in the Anderfels I believe. 

 

So, in the grand scheme of things...they're not that common. 

[Dusksworn]

Wasn't there something about a 

 

Spoiler

 

Griffin-themed children's rocking chair being an important part of Blackwall's storyline?

 

 

It would be a fairly interesting plotline to find out that this competent, honorable guy is actually just someone who always strived to be a Warden since he was a child, but was never able to get there. 

 

I don't think he's just an honorable, competent guy. He's far too good of a liar for that. It takes OOC knowledge to catch him in his lies, or even realize that certain things he says just don't add up.

 

He may have had some childhood desire to be a Grey Warden, or he may have some other reason he decided to take on the act of the ideal heroic Grey Warden, but I think much of his background was probably of the illegal nature. The way he reacts when you point out that many Wardens used to be criminals just makes me feel that way.

 

He may be honorable now, but evidence points to that not always having been the case.

 

If he's the real Blackwall, then he's the same guy who was content to wait while Ferelden fell. If he's an impostor, then he's an expert liar who knows the basics of how to do identity theft and get away with it.

[RobRam10]

This better not be true!....

[panamakira]

Riordan said there are quite a few in Orlais, where Blackwall was said to be stationed for a while at least, only a handful in Ferelden and other nations, and a few thousand in the Anderfels I believe. 

 

So, in the grand scheme of things...they're not that common. 

 

Hmm....yeah usually in DA:O people would be like "a Grey Warden  :o" and that's with the Blight on their backyard. That's another option to ponder about his backgound anyway.

 

 

If he's the real Blackwall, then he's the same guy who was content to wait while Ferelden fell. If he's an impostor, then he's an expert liar who knows the basics of how to do identity theft and get away with it.

 

Hmm....it's actually a no-win situation but until I play the game I'd like to remain skeptical, even though I probably wouldn't mind too much if indeed this was the case, there's probably more to the story that we're not aware of. He has the right to start a new life.....whatever that was before. 

[TEWR]

Perhaps something like that, but seemingly more competent.

 

There's one key detail here.

 

What "Blackwall" tells us of his history does not match what Warden-Constable Blackwall wrote in World of Thedas.

 

That Blackwall didn't fight in Ferelden. Rather he did nothing and waited while the Blight consumed it. Strange for a man whose motto is "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

 

Also, how he claims he used to be a nobody is just so interesting...

 

 

 

You're not looking too much into it at all.

 

I think you're probably right.

 

I think you're definitely on to something. At the same time however, perhaps he was laying low in Ferelden and still doing his part. If he truly was in Ferelden as a Warden, I can't see him going about shouting it from the rooftops. He might've still been helping fight the Blight, but in a more... alternative fashion. Teaching people about Darkspawn under a guise of an experienced veteran.

 

Perhaps he sent Riordan to ascertain how best to fight the Blight. After all, Riordan did say he was sent by the Wardens in Orlais, where supposedly Blackwall was constable. And I almost wanna say perhaps he decided to creep in himself after giving his speech, but as I watched him talk of that I was still saying "Hold a moment."

 

So for now, I'm skeptical, yet intrigued.

 

It's interesting. He could be a criminal who got on the wrong side of the real Blackwall, perhaps in Markham. Perhaps Real Blackwall was attending the Free Marches during the Blight to better prepare them for it. Perhaps Fake Blackwall got into some sort of confrontation with RB, and then RB touched a cord in FB and FB wants to atone.

 

Or as was mentioned earlier (and I like it more then my thingy) FB was a good friend of RB's and RB is impersonating him, for whatever reason.

 

Who knows?

 

Even so, him saying "Save the ****** world, if pressed" warms my heart and made me laugh.

 

As for his method of recruitment, I'd daresay it's a more effective way then pressganging a bunch of people. By teaching a man how to stand on his own two feet, they not only learn how to handle themselves but will hold the Wardens in higher regard, which could make them join of their own volition. Might make them bring other people to the fold.

 

He calls them conscripts, yet they're not beholden to him. He lets them go it seems, to live their own lives again. Either they'll be back because they have no choice or they'll be back because they want to come back,

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

I can't really imagine them making it so everything they said about the guy pre-release was a blatant lie. Which wasn't much, admittedly, but plot twists would feel kinda cheap that way. I mean, at least they've dropped hints for Vivienne's supposed 'hidden agenda' to not make it so the plot twist is only there because you were completely misled before release.