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[Estelindis]

I finished the game, and thus the romance with Blackwall.  

 

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It had a nice plot arc, with a few very sweet moments, but I felt like there wasn't an awful lot of it.  Maybe it just feels sparse because DA:I is such a big game overall, but it seemed like my companions had more conversations (i.e. banter) with Blackwall than my Inquisitor did.  After the revelation of who he really was and what he'd done, and after my Inquisitor took him back, I would've liked more discussion of their future.  That said, the line about the fade mark cooking eggs was funny, and the final scene of them together on the balcony was absolutely heartwarming.  

[Ibn_Shisha]

I've only just gotten to Western approach, so I don't know all the details but,

 

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it's possible to lose Blackwall?  And keeping him can damage the Inquisition?  That sucks.  Inquisitor is not romancing him, but losing Blackwall would break up my ultimate High Dragon slaying Posse of Ultimate Awesomeness.  Inquisitor Reaver, Blackwall and Cass shield tanking, and (whichever mage I feel like bringing at the time).  Northern Hunter yesterday took Solas down 2 bars, and never got through Guard on the rest of us.  With no Lightning resistance goodies either.  I guess I can buy one of those respec thingies for Bull if I have to.

[Miss Greyjoy]

Loving Blackwall and his romance so far! I live for drama (at least in video games), and this is like a telenovela! 

 

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Just finished the Revelations quest, and it was so exciting! I had to forgive him of course. It's not like everyone else in the Inquisition isn't a hardened criminal. If the Inquisitor's boyfriend can help save the world from COMPLETE ANNIHILATION, we are gonna have to overlook this little indiscretion. The Orlesians and everyone else is just gonna have to DEAL.

[AresKeith]

Blackwall and Sera

 

[panamakira]

Yes, that banter with Dorian was exactly the one I meant.

 

I haven't come across Dorian's post-Revelations criticism yet, but I heard the critical Solas banter - and, later on, Solas did go on to apologise as well, which I honestly did not expect.  Similarly, the apology was rooted in an appreciation of the importance of atonement.  

 

Dorian is pretty awesome about it. He apologizes to Blackwall for making light of him and calls a truce or something and says for what it's worth he thinks Blackwall is a good man and deserves a second chance. It was great. Cassandra on the other hand, Good God, it was terrible she was like, "Address me as Seeker Cassandra, in fact don't even address me at all." :C I didn't test with Vivienne. I knew where that was gonna go.

[berelinde]

Could it have been approval gated? I had him maxed out a long time before that, even before we did Wicked Hearts. Or there may be bugs.

[AtreiyaN7]

Dorian is pretty awesome about it. He apologizes to Blackwall for making light of him and calls a truce or something and says for what it's worth he thinks Blackwall is a good man and deserves a second chance. It was great. Cassandra on the other hand, Good God, it was terrible she was like, "Address me as Seeker Cassandra, in fact don't even address me at all." :C I didn't test with Vivienne. I knew where that was gonna go.

I have to admit, I was wondering what would happen if I stuck Cass and Blackwall together. I know that Solas is supposed to apologize eventually - or that he says he understands about atonement, but I haven't seen that happen yet after Solas lashed out at Blackwall. Maybe it happened when I wasn't looking because they were semi-chummy again last night when Solas gave Blackwall a tip on fighting demons.

I think Cassandra might cool off eventually...she was pretty angry with Varric for a while and said some harsh things to him after the Hawke reveal, but they did make up later. As for Vivienne, if you ask for her opinion of the other companions back at Skyhold, she does have a line about Blackwall (since it's random, you'll probably have to keep asking her until it pops up). She basically says that Blackwall is a lucky man to have been taken back by the Inquisitor after what happened and that few would have forgiven him.

I kind of do expect Viv to eviscerate him as well, and I'll probably stick them together at some point to see what happens. Cole, of course, is the one companion not beating Blackwall up over things. He and Cole started talking last night, and then Blackwall asked if Cole wanted to lay into him as well, like the others. Cole, of course, wouldn't do that - and he had this line that made it sound like...

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...Rainier was being truthful when he said that he didn't know that Lord Callies was traveling with his family. Cole said something like: "This/It wasn't supposed to...it's too late...if I tell them/the men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie." Blackwall's response was: "Maker...no...please stop." Close enough - probably should have written down the exact wording last night, but I wasn't really expecting that sort of revelation while smashing red lyrium, etc.

At any rate, it seems as if he really did find out at the last minute and wanted to stop things at that point but probably froze up once he realized that he himself had been used and that it meant that Chapuis must have known all along that Callies would be traveling with his family.

[Jaulen]

Viv's response to Blackwall (post revelations) when Blackwall comment about 'Looks like the Darkspawn are nesting here." was "Is that your EXPERT opinion?"

 

I was "ooooooohhhhh Viv! You're OFF the island!"

[CredulousAlloy]

AtreiyaN7, I've just been listening to Cole/Blackwall's banter and had to come and look up the exact wording of the quote you posted as I found it so powerful:

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Cole: I'm sorry you have to stay. It wouldn't work for them. You were trying to fix it. It isn't your fault.
Blackwall: What isn't my fault?
Cole: They wanted Blackwall, not Rainier. That's why they're angry.
Blackwall: Angry...really? I thought I was just imagining all the frowning faces. Care to tear into me as well, now that you know?
Cole: No.
Blackwall: You who heal the helpless...you're not angry about what I was hiding?
Cole: You never hid from me. Mockingbird, mockingbird...too many voices in the carriage. Maker, they're young. If I tell my men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie. Cold. Trapped. Heart hammering like axes on a carriage door.
Blackwall: Stop...please.

They actually have a TON of great banter that really gives an insight into Blackwall's thoughts, like this one:

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Blackwall: Cole. If you know what I am...what I'd done...why didn't you tell the others?
Cole: Everyone hides dead things. Everyone pretends. You wanted to fix it.
Blackwall: I'm a murderer.
Cole: You don't want to be. You made a new you. You ARE Blackwall. You killed Rainier.
Blackwall: If only that were possible.
Cole: You would stand between Rainier and the carriage. But you can't. It doesn't work like that. So you carry the bodies to remember.
Blackwall: I suppose I do.

Honestly, Blackwall is now probably my favourite character in Inquisition. I've seen people call him boring but I think he probably has more depth than most of the other companions (who I mostly love as well). I haven't finished the game yet but I'm really glad my Inquisitor made the decision to romance him (like there was ever any doubt...that decision was made as soon as his character was first revealed, lol). The romance is complicated and dramatic and more conflicting than I ever anticipated, but, like some others have mentioned, I'm seriously doubting whether I'll ever be able to choose someone else in future playthroughs.

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The Reveal totally disgusted me and broke my heart, but my Inquisitor gave him his freedom to atone for what he did. It would be one thing if he'd just forgotten about his crime and started a new life, but he shows genuine guilt and remorse for what he did, and although he might have escaped justice in the traditional sense he's clearly been punishing himself for all these years. No amount of remorse and good deeds can erase his past mistake but at least he's been trying to make amends by living up to the ideals of a Grey Warden and fighting to protect those who need it. How much good has he done since assuming Blackwall's identity? How many lives has he saved? What he did was terrible, there's no getting around that, but he truly wants to prove he's a better man than Rainier, and my Inquisitor chose to give him that chance.

Plus, she couldn't give him to the Wardens. Now he's finally committed to her, there's no way in Hell she ain't going to be climbing that Wall on a regular basis.

Wow, that was a lot of spoiler tags for a first post, haha.

[Jaulen]

Next through will be Cullen for me.

 

But after that.....

 

I think it's going to be Blackwall all the way.

It's just.....i dunno.

Plus Dorian's "It must be warm by the fire." comment re: being involved with Blackwall just makes me giggle-blush.

 

 

 

Added: What does Blackwall's tarot card look like if you make him serve the Inquisition (not letting him go free or go to the wardens but continue the lie of living as Blackwall?)

[AtreiyaN7]

AtreiyaN7, I've just been listening to Cole/Blackwall's banter and had to come and look up the exact wording of the quote you posted as I found it so powerful:

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Cole: I'm sorry you have to stay. It wouldn't work for them. You were trying to fix it. It isn't your fault.
Blackwall: What isn't my fault?
Cole: They wanted Blackwall, not Rainier. That's why they're angry.
Blackwall: Angry...really? I thought I was just imagining all the frowning faces. Care to tear into me as well, now that you know?
Cole: No.
Blackwall: You who heal the helpless...you're not angry about what I was hiding?
Cole: You never hid from me. Mockingbird, mockingbird...too many voices in the carriage. Maker, they're young. If I tell my men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie. Cold. Trapped. Heart hammering like axes on a carriage door.
Blackwall: Stop...please.

They actually have a TON of great banter that really gives an insight into Blackwall's thoughts, like this one:

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Blackwall: Cole. If you know what I am...what I'd done...why didn't you tell the others?
Cole: Everyone hides dead things. Everyone pretends. You wanted to fix it.
Blackwall: I'm a murderer.
Cole: You don't want to be. You made a new you. You ARE Blackwall. You killed Rainier.
Blackwall: If only that were possible.
Cole: You would stand between Rainier and the carriage. But you can't. It doesn't work like that. So you carry the bodies to remember.
Blackwall: I suppose I do.

Honestly, Blackwall is now probably my favourite character in Inquisition. I've seen people call him boring but I think he probably has more depth than most of the other companions (who I mostly love as well). I haven't finished the game yet but I'm really glad my Inquisitor made the decision to romance him (like there was ever any doubt...that decision was made as soon as his character was first revealed, lol). The romance is complicated and dramatic and more conflicting than I ever anticipated, but, like some others have mentioned, I'm seriously doubting whether I'll ever be able to choose someone else in future playthroughs.

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The Reveal totally disgusted me and broke my heart, but my Inquisitor gave him his freedom to atone for what he did. It would be one thing if he'd just forgotten about his crime and started a new life, but he shows genuine guilt and remorse for what he did, and although he might have escaped justice in the traditional sense he's clearly been punishing himself for all these years. No amount of remorse and good deeds can erase his past mistake but at least he's been trying to make amends by living up to the ideals of a Grey Warden and fighting to protect those who need it. How much good has he done since assuming Blackwall's identity? How many lives has he saved? What he did was terrible, there's no getting around that, but he truly wants to prove he's a better man than Rainier, and my Inquisitor chose to give him that chance.

Plus, she couldn't give him to the Wardens. Now he's finally committed to her, there's no way in Hell she ain't going to be climbing that Wall on a regular basis.

Wow, that was a lot of spoiler tags for a first post, haha.

 

So glad you found it! Yeah, that dialogue pretty much floored me when I heard it, and Blackwall sounded kind of shaky and pained when he asked Cole to stop. I definitely agree that Blackwall has a lot of depth and that his story and the whole relationship are far more complicated than those of the other companions (short of an Inquisitor who hooks up with Solas...because...reasons *wink wink*).

 

I'm definitely in the "I can't see myself with any other guy after this" camp - lol. The worst thing is that it's actually making me think about writing fan-fic. *facepalm*

 

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I do remember that Cole dialogue early on where he mentions Liddy, was it? Kind of thinking it was the name of one of those children now.

[CredulousAlloy]

So glad you found it! Yeah, that dialogue pretty much floored me when I heard it, and Blackwall sounded kind of shaky and pained when he asked Cole to stop. I definitely agree that Blackwall has a lot of depth and that his story and the whole relationship are far more complicated than those of the other companions (short of an Inquisitor who hooks up with Solas...because...reasons *wink wink*).
 
I'm definitely in the "I can't see myself with any other guy after this" camp - lol. The worst thing is that it's actually making me think about writing fan-fic. *facepalm*
 

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I do remember that Cole dialogue early on where he mentions Liddy, was it? Kind of thinking it was the name of one of those children now.

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I think Liddy is actually Blackwall's sister. I heard him mention to someone (I want to say Cassandra) that he had a sister who died when he was young. There's another conversation with Cole that seems to reinforce this:

Cole: We played by the fire so she would be warm. No, it's summer, Liddy.
Blackwall: This thing you do? Maybe you should stop doing it.
Cole: Got her a flower, but they'd taken her. Left it on her bed. Next, eight on the sill. Tourney sands, a garden seat. Five to chantry altars. One to a child with her hair. The sea? Too many to count. And thirty-six tossed off the battlements today.
Blackwall: Go and bother Solas.
Cole: You have many feelings. I'm sorry she died.

Still trying to make sense of everything in that quote, but it adds yet more depth to our bearded Wall.

Totally with you on the fanfic thing, haha. I'm slightly ashamed but this character has made such an impression. I still have a ways to go until the end of the game but I'm already trying to imagine the future he and the Inquisitor will have (and not in an idealised "They're going to live happily ever after on a farm with puppies and kittens" way, just wondering how their relationship is going to progress after certain...developments.

[AtreiyaN7]

Next through will be Cullen for me.

 

But after that.....

 

I think it's going to be Blackwall all the way.

It's just.....i dunno.

Plus Dorian's "It must be warm by the fire." comment re: being involved with Blackwall just makes me giggle-blush.

 

 

 

Added: What does Blackwall's tarot card look like if you make him serve the Inquisition (not letting him go free or go to the wardens but continue the lie of living as Blackwall?)

 

Someone posted it in the tarot card thread...but you can actually see it in the codex itself even if you have romanced him! He's a knight on a griffon (a griffon with a whole lot of eyes, heh). It's card #3 under Characters in the codex.

[Koriko]

Hi everyone! It's been some time since I last posted. I hope the character and romance met/exceeded everyone's expectations. 

 

His character arc turned out much differently than I expected, though not in a bad way. Romance wasn't my favorite but he was very sweet and flirting with him early on was fun.

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I was spoiled early and didn't see that twist at all. I was a little bothered by it when I first found out, surprisingly enough I found I didn't really mind as I went through the game. He very much wanted to atone for his crimes and legitimately wanted to be a better person who could do good in the world.

 

My Inquisitor was a very forgiving girl so she gave him another chance even though she was absolutely heart broken upon finding out his true identity. I did think about sending him to the wardens but hey he can go to them later on if he really wants. His pouring out his feelings for her and then the kiss during judgement...I liked that scene but it was so embarrassing!

[Elisaveta]

I've been romancing Blackwall on my second play through. I went into the romance knowing the spoilers but it was still a tangle of emotions when I got to the scene. I was doing okay until I heard Solas tear into Blackwall after the revelation. I was so upset that I logged off! Oh Solas!

 

Blackwall is an interesting character and a pretty good romance. I really like the tarot card you get for romancing him it's super sweet.

[TEWR]

TEWR, yeah, I remember something like that. But I thought it was related to Crestwood questline, which seems to be completely redone from what we've seen in alpha.

 

Yeah, it seems like they changed a lot of things.

 

To be honest, part of me suspects that extra year did more harm then good for the main story. but that's me. Not that I dislike the game mind you. I like it. But I feel it had a lot more potential.

 

But that's enough negativity! Blackwall is awesome, this is all we need to know.

[AtreiyaN7]

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I think Liddy is actually Blackwall's sister. I heard him mention to someone (I want to say Cassandra) that he had a sister who died when he was young. There's another conversation with Cole that seems to reinforce this:

Cole: We played by the fire so she would be warm. No, it's summer, Liddy.
Blackwall: This thing you do? Maybe you should stop doing it.
Cole: Got her a flower, but they'd taken her. Left it on her bed. Next, eight on the sill. Tourney sands, a garden seat. Five to chantry altars. One to a child with her hair. The sea? Too many to count. And thirty-six tossed off the battlements today.
Blackwall: Go and bother Solas.
Cole: You have many feelings. I'm sorry she died.

Still trying to make sense of everything in that quote, but it adds yet more depth to our bearded Wall.

Totally with you on the fanfic thing, haha. I'm slightly ashamed but this character has made such an impression. I still have a ways to go until the end of the game but I'm already trying to imagine the future he and the Inquisitor will have (and not in an idealised "They're going to live happily ever after on a farm with puppies and kittens" way, just wondering how their relationship is going to progress after certain...developments.

 

Ah, okay, that makes sense with Liddy now - all I really remembered was something about flowers. *smack self* As far as the fan-fic thing goes, I'd probably go into his past more than his present/future - was sort of vaguely planning on using that Cole dialogue that you found as a jumping off point, but until you found the whole thing, I thought I was going to have to play the whole game again and then use FRAPS to make sure I caught it - lol.

[CredulousAlloy]

Ah, okay, that makes sense with Liddy now - all I really remembered was something about flowers. *smack self* As far as the fan-fic thing goes, I'd probably go into his past more than his present/future - was sort of vaguely planning on using that Cole dialogue that you found as a jumping off point, but until you found the whole thing, I thought I was going to have to play the whole game again and then use FRAPS to make sure I caught it - lol.

Someone started posting the party banter on Youtube, which is great for me as I usually end up missing the first part of a conversation due to concentrating on something else! I just heard one where Viv and Blackwall are actually civil to each other for a couple of seconds, was quite sweet actually, haha. Can't seem to get the hyperlink to work but here's Cole and Blackwall:


And one more quote of Cole-insight: (I promise this is the last one! Also contains spoilers from Cole's personal quest)

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Blackwall: This Templar who hurt you...you made him forget?
Cole: Yes. He knows he left the Templars, but I'm not there. He just knows they made him someone he didn't want to be.
Blackwall: Why did you do that? You shouldn't have taken that from him.
Cole: Why?
Blackwall: Taking away a bad memory is one thing. Taking away guilt is another. Without that guilt, it's as though he never killed you.
Cole: Isn't the world better that way?
Blackwall: I...don't know.
Cole: I understand. Making the Templar forget what he did to me is like making you forget Rainier.
Blackwall: I...yes. Perhaps.
Cole: My pain was his pain. It made the amulet not work. We both had to let it go.
Blackwall: But now he doesn't remember what he did.
Cole: Isn't me not hurting more important than him being punished?
Blackwall: *sighs* We are a pair, you and I. The victim and the murderer. If it helps you, lad, then I am glad you forgave him.
Cole: You think that if you forget, you'll become like that again. But you're not him. You have other things to carry. You can put the bodies down.
Blackwall: Thank you.

They also have quite a lot of funny conversation, and Blackwall basically ends up becoming Cole's grumpy uncle. I never really used
Cole in my party but it sounds like he provides a lot of insight into the other characters. It's a shame some people will never hear it as I think it adds a lot to the game and could probably change people's opinions of a companion they don't like.

[AtreiyaN7]

Someone started posting the party banter on Youtube, which is great for me as I usually end up missing the first part of a conversation due to concentrating on something else! I just heard one where Viv and Blackwall are actually civil to each other for a couple of seconds, was quite sweet actually, haha. Can't seem to get the hyperlink to work but here's Cole and Blackwall:


And one more quote of Cole-insight: (I promise this is the last one! Also contains spoilers from Cole's personal quest)

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Blackwall: This Templar who hurt you...you made him forget?
Cole: Yes. He knows he left the Templars, but I'm not there. He just knows they made him someone he didn't want to be.
Blackwall: Why did you do that? You shouldn't have taken that from him.
Cole: Why?
Blackwall: Taking away a bad memory is one thing. Taking away guilt is another. Without that guilt, it's as though he never killed you.
Cole: Isn't the world better that way?
Blackwall: I...don't know.
Cole: I understand. Making the Templar forget what he did to me is like making you forget Rainier.
Blackwall: I...yes. Perhaps.
Cole: My pain was his pain. It made the amulet not work. We both had to let it go.
Blackwall: But now he doesn't remember what he did.
Cole: Isn't me not hurting more important than him being punished?
Blackwall: *sighs* We are a pair, you and I. The victim and the murderer. If it helps you, lad, then I am glad you forgave him.
Cole: You think that if you forget, you'll become like that again. But you're not him. You have other things to carry. You can put the bodies down.
Blackwall: Thank you.

They also have quite a lot of funny conversation, and Blackwall basically ends up becoming Cole's grumpy uncle. I never really used
Cole in my party but it sounds like he provides a lot of insight into the other characters. It's a shame some people will never hear it as I think it adds a lot to the game and could probably change people's opinions of a companion they don't like.

 

Cool - saw a few of those videos a few pages back, probably should have occurred to me to check for a Blackwall-Cole combo, haha. That dialogue is very interesting because...

 

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I made Cole more human. This sounds like a more spirit-oriented Cole because I'm pretty sure that with Varric, he doesn't make the templar forget. I must say that turning him more human turned out to be a pleasant surprise. Solas disapproved, but he got over it...I think. I also ended up with this option to take Cole on an outing to Val Royeaux after the amulet quest. No idea if the same thing can happen if you choose to make him more like a spirit.

 

Anyhow, after we got back, I chatted with him some more at Skyhold. I think if you get to know Cole and try to understand him, it's quite rewarding as well - and I do like his insights into the other characters. It's a pity if people get creeped out by what Cole starts out as because you can really help guide him a lot. I'm glad that Blackwall's like his grumpy uncle, hehe.

[Sabreenei]

Hello, I've just completed revelations and I punched and banged my head against my room's walls, screamed in anger and uttered blasphemies and now I have a question

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The only one willing to free him from jail was Leliana since both Josephine and Cullen were not participating in the mission, and she used the 'underground' contacts to achieve it. So having him back had heavy consequences in the Inquisition's reputation. A friend of mine told me she chose Josephine to do the mission but MY Josephine was not willing to participate, can someone explain me the reason? Is it a matter of approval? We can't see our advisor's approval so I have to guess both Josie and Cullen don't appreciate my inquisitor that much?

 

thank you 

 

After revelations, I had two quests show up on my war table. One was the triangle shaped piece, that took 1 influence. The other was one of the flag type quests that take time instead of influence (I think it took about 3 minutes for this one, approximately).

 

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The one that took an influence point had options for all 3 advisors. Cullen would use force & troops to break him out of jail, Leliana would use a traitor we already needed to punish and switch him with Blackwall, so he would be hung in Blackwall/Rainer's place, and Josephene would use connections with Orlais to have them release him to us.

 

The other type that took time instead of an influence point was only available for Leliana. On that one, she would use her underground connections.

 

I didn't try to the Cullen one, but on the Josephene option and the Leliana underground option, Blackwall mentions the inquistion is corrupt. On the other Leliana option, he tells you that he knows you had another man killed in his place.

 

I had a hard time deciding which one I would do -- I made a save and tried several of them. I haven't progressed much beyond this point, so I'm hoping we have at least one more scene after the judgement. It kind of felt like that might be it for the big romance scenes, since we'd already had the sex scene. Sigh. At least a made a note of the time the big scenes happened at, so I can go back and replay them.

 

I really wish we could name our saves!! So missing that option.

[Kaidan Fan]

I 100% agree with all the posts on this page about how deep Blackwall is.  People who thinks he is boring needs to listen to the conversations and spend time with him in their party.  But different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

I went into the game fully expecting to hate Cole and Iron Bull.  I was wrong on both counts.  I'm glad I gave them a chance!

 

I am doing a Cullen romance atm.  I have to avoid Blackwall like the plague to not ruin it though   All the rest from now on will Blackwall.

 

(I miss naming saves too)!

[panamakira]

I have to admit, I was wondering what would happen if I stuck Cass and Blackwall together. I know that Solas is supposed to apologize eventually - or that he says he understands about atonement, but I haven't seen that happen yet after Solas lashed out at Blackwall. Maybe it happened when I wasn't looking because they were semi-chummy again last night when Solas gave Blackwall a tip on fighting demons.

I haven't gotten the Solas banter yet but would love to hear this. I think I heard from Sera about Blackwall when you talk to her in her cute little room instead of banter. I like how some of them are willing to be forgiving. 
 

I think Cassandra might cool off eventually...she was pretty angry with Varric for a while and said some harsh things to him after the Hawke reveal, but they did make up later. As for Vivienne, if you ask for her opinion of the other companions back at Skyhold, she does have a line about Blackwall (since it's random, you'll probably have to keep asking her until it pops up). She basically says that Blackwall is a lucky man to have been taken back by the Inquisitor after what happened and that few would have forgiven him.

Yeah Cassandra is like that with EVERYONE which is sometimes funny (there's a convo with Solas about it) except the time I heard the exchange the first time I was kinda mad at Cass acting like a queen about it. I just wanted my Inquisitor to turn around and tell her to shut it and that it was MY choice that Blackwall stayed and that anyone who is willing to die for the Inquisition deserves another chance in my Inner Circle!  Don't get me wrong. The first time I learned about Blackwall's past, I was very conflicted but I also believe some people can change and Blackwall deserved that chance. 
 

I kind of do expect Viv to eviscerate him as well, and I'll probably stick them together at some point to see what happens. Cole, of course, is the one companion not beating Blackwall up over things. He and Cole started talking last night, and then Blackwall asked if Cole wanted to lay into him as well, like the others. Cole, of course, wouldn't do that - and he had this line that made it sound like...

Vivienne and I have a love and hate relationship. I adore her character design and some conversations with her but sometimes what comes out of her mouth is pure meanness. I remember a particular banter where Viv and Dorian were making fun of Blackwall really bad. I was angry at both of them but then after the stuff happened Dorian came out and apologized for being a dick about it and I have another reason to love Dorian to death. As for Cole I don't think I felt strongly about him either way in the beginning but he grew on me during his personal quest and now I like him a lot.
 

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...Rainier was being truthful when he said that he didn't know that Lord Callies was traveling with his family. Cole said something like: "This/It wasn't supposed to...it's too late...if I tell them/the men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie." Blackwall's response was: "Maker...no...please stop." Close enough - probably should have written down the exact wording last night, but I wasn't really expecting that sort of revelation while smashing red lyrium, etc.

At any rate, it seems as if he really did find out at the last minute and wanted to stop things at that point but probably froze up once he realized that he himself had been used and that it meant that Chapuis must have known all along that Callies would be traveling with his family.

 

I have not gotten this banter! I feel like at some point the situation got out Blackwall's hands and he was not capable of anything but running away. He will forever live with what he did, it's his sin to carry but at the same time he became someone that was ready to give his life for trying to be better. He did go about it the wrong way but I can understand why he thought Blackwall should live, since he was the better man and Rainier should die since he was a coward and a liar.

[AtreiyaN7]

I 100% agree with all the posts on this page about how deep Blackwall is.  People who thinks he is boring needs to listen to the conversations and spend time with him in their party.  But different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

I went into the game fully expecting to hate Cole and Iron Bull.  I was wrong on both counts.  I'm glad I gave them a chance!

 

I am doing a Cullen romance atm.  I have to avoid Blackwall like the plague to not ruin it though   All the rest from now on will Blackwall.

 

(I miss naming saves too)!

 

I've been waffling over it - I keep thinking, well, maybe I should try Cullen or Solas at minimum...then I go wandering around with Blackwall and some banter will come up, and then I'm like *siiiiiiiiiiigh* I can't give up my bearded warrior man for either of them. I actually do like Bull, not to leave him out, but he's kind of like my bro/drinking buddy atm (well, bro #2 because Varric is bro #1).

[AtreiyaN7]

panamakira, on 01 Dec 2014 - 2:03 PM, said:

I haven't gotten the Solas banter yet but would love to hear this. I think I heard from Sera about Blackwall when you talk to her in her cute little room instead of banter. I like how some of them are willing to be forgiving.
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Yeah Cassandra is like that with EVERYONE which is sometimes funny (there's a convo with Solas about it) except the time I heard the exchange the first time I was kinda mad at Cass acting like a queen about it. I just wanted my Inquisitor to turn around and tell her to shut it and that it was MY choice that Blackwall stayed and that anyone who is willing to die for the Inquisition deserves another chance in my Inner Circle!  [ ] Don't get me wrong. The first time I learned about Blackwall's past, I was very conflicted but I also believe some people can change and Blackwall deserved that chance.
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Vivienne and I have a love and hate relationship. I adore her character design and some conversations with her but sometimes what comes out of her mouth is pure meanness. I remember a particular banter where Viv and Dorian were making fun of Blackwall really bad. I was angry at both of them but then after the stuff happened Dorian came out and apologized for being a dick about it and I have another reason to love Dorian to death. As for Cole I don't think I felt strongly about him either way in the beginning but he grew on me during his personal quest and now I like him a lot.

Yeah, Cass can be a bit hot-tempered, but give her enough time and she usually seems able to find it within herself to forgive or to at least make peace with a situation she doesn't like. I hold a similar opinion to you about Viv, but I ended up liking her overall. Not going to lie, I've got a similarly sharp tongue at times - I just manage to rein it in for the most part now - hehe. And after doing Viv's personal quest, I can see that's she's a person too, someone who has/had someone she cared deeply about. God, I just love Dorian - he'd be perfect partner in crime (and snarkiness) if he liked women (and if Blackwall didn't exist).

 

If you mean the demon-hunting tip, Solas starts saying that within the first 30 heartbeats (I think) that you'll know how to defeat a demon. Blackwall more or less says he was hoping for more useful information. Solas points out that demons don't change their tactics very much (presumably because the average Fade spirit/demon can't really learn anything new). Blackwall acknowledges that this actually is useful information, and then Solas adds "Also, don't die." or something to that effect. As for the tongue-lashing by Solas, well...ouch on that - you might need a fireproof suit while listening to that one.

[Bugsie]

In combat with Blackwall:  "One less to worry about"

 

*flails*