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[Kaidan Fan]

I've been waffling over it - I keep thinking, well, maybe I should try Cullen or Solas at minimum...then I go wandering around with Blackwall and some banter will come up, and then I'm like *siiiiiiiiiiigh* I can't give up my bearded warrior man for either of them. I actually do like Bull, not to leave him out, but he's kind of like my bro/drinking buddy atm (well, bro #2 because Varric is bro #1).

Like I said I had to avoid him like the plague until I could start the romance with Cullen and now the flirt options don't come up to tempt me   But after this *points to signature* Blackwall 4ever! (P.S. Iron Bull is my bro/bud too!)

 

In combat with Blackwall:  "One less to worry about"

 

*flails*

I like "Done and done!"

[berelinde]

Hmm, way back when, Sheryl Chee said something along the lines of "I hope you won't be too disappointed." It was ambiguous. Now it isn't.

 

But it's more than just his quest arc. He's one of those divisive characters it's hard to feel neutral about. He's pretty much spoiled me for other romances, so I probably should not have done this one on my first playthrough, but yeah, I love him. As an unapologetic Anders fan, I'm perfectly accustomed to liking characters other people don't.

[AtreiyaN7]

WTF? Really?

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So this is it? I am so very disappointed, I have done the revelations quest yesterday and I was so broke that I now don't even care about reading spoilers anymore. Today I felt like I was able to forgive him and go on with the romance because I was sure I was just at the beginning of a very deep and complex relationship, and now you tell me instead it's just " Ok Blackwall/Rainier you did wrong but then you changed and I forgive you so let's go on with our small manly kisses in the stables as if nothing happened? I was expectiong A LOT more from a company whose flagship is writing awesome characters and storyline Well, s h i t

Mmmm, I think there's a bit more dialogue post-Adamant (believe it's not romance-specific, although you get to be a bit snarky when you ask him certain things), but that's mostly it. There is slightly different dialogue if he's with you later on at one point (it involves a choice during one of the main quests) - minor perhaps, but it is an acknowledgment of the relationship.

There's also companion banter addressing the revelations in Revelations (heh) afterward - so all that stuff gets addressed by pretty much everyone at some point. I think it certainly would've been better if you could have had more of a serious heart-to-heart discussion about events and whatnot, but I suppose that a lot of what had to be said was already said by the time you get to the end of Revelations. I guess you've been through the fire pretty much at that point.

More content for everyone would have been nice vis-a-vis the romances in general. I can see being a bit disappointed after the fact once you've been on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster (I sure wanted extra scenes/dialogue, but I'm okay with it). Look on the bright side, at least it ultimately works out better than a relationship with Solas does, and you technically get to have a happy ending. *pat pat*

EDIT: Dang typos - why do I have be so OCD about them...fixed now, etc.

[Gvalchca]

Also it seems Cole details just how amorous Blackwall is towards Josephine, but nothing for the inquisitor... his feelings  for our inquisitor aren't strong enough for Cole to read I guess.  I think (where companions can get together) they appear to be happier together than with our inquisitors. Yeah...No thank you! I'll stick with Cullen (sad he is not a companion).

 

I was a bit disappointed too that there's not many comments from our companions on their relationship(just Dorian and Vivienne I believe), but there's a lot of banter about Josephine literally from everyone. Though I liked their conversations with Cole, arguably they give almost as much insight on Blackwall's character as his personal quests do. Wouldn't trade them for anything.

[Aisabel]

I just finished my first play through after 97 hours and am sad to see it over. I enjoyed the little bit of sweet moments my Inquisitor got with Blackwall, especially the

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romantic scene in your private quarters where you simply cuddle up on the balcony

That scene was pretty darn realistic in that I probably would have no need for anything but to be held if I had been the one to do all the work and finally off the bad guy. 

 

However, I felt like there should have been more, you know? I think the Blackwall romance is simply a mature romance, which makes me enjoy it a lot. 

 

Did anyone else try playing the game after it was over? I like how he kept stating to my Inquisitor that no matter what the future holds, we'd be together. I'd finish a small quest and then he'd say something like "well, if there are more of those, at least we'll get rid of them together".

[Aisabel]

So glad you found it! Yeah, that dialogue pretty much floored me when I heard it, and Blackwall sounded kind of shaky and pained when he asked Cole to stop. I definitely agree that Blackwall has a lot of depth and that his story and the whole relationship are far more complicated than those of the other companions (short of an Inquisitor who hooks up with Solas...because...reasons *wink wink*).

 

I'm definitely in the "I can't see myself with any other guy after this" camp - lol. The worst thing is that it's actually making me think about writing fan-fic. *facepalm*

 

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I do remember that Cole dialogue early on where he mentions Liddy, was it? Kind of thinking it was the name of one of those children now.

Nothing wrong there.. ever since the whole revelations quest, I've been thinking of all sorts of fanfics to write. I wrote a bunch on DA2/DAO so of course I'm gonna write for this one, especially seeing as there isn't a lot for Blackwall and sadly there just weren't enough scenes for me in his romance, but, I did enjoy the maturity of the relationship- reminded me a lot of my own marriage.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Well, Blackwall got the honor of first companion to abandon me. (Luckily, this is my second play through so at least I'm not missing out on his story.) I was so shocked, though. Especially since I had no problem getting everyone to high approval the first time.

[Sabreenei]

I didn't do this on my playthrough (because I couldn't wait!!!) but does anyone know -- 

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-- if you get a second chance at the sex scene, if you choose the heart-be with friends (left in bar) instead of the heart-find a quiet place (left after love scene)? There is a nice little declaration from him when chosing the heart-friend route before he leaves, but I wouldn't want to give up the one and only love scene! Even if my girl does wake up naked and alone on what must be awfully prickly bales of hay. If only he'd left his jacket!!

[berelinde]

Also it seems Cole details just how amorous Blackwall is towards Josephine, but nothing for the inquisitor... his feelings  for our inquisitor aren't strong enough for Cole to read I guess.  I think (where companions can get together) they appear to be happier together than with our inquisitors. Yeah...No thank you! I'll stick with Cullen (sad he is not a companion).

I prefer to think that Cole is more reluctant to talk about Blackwell's feelings while he's in a *committed* relationship with their boss. Blackwell and Josephine are flailing. Neither of them wants to make the first move. Cole talks because he wants to *help*, whereas Blackwell and the Inquisitor need none. If you forgive him, he's happy.

 

The other companions, it depends on who you bring. Both Dorian and Viivienne have a lot to say about it.

[Bugsie]

Awww man this is killing me.  So conflicted about it all after revelations.

 

Killing me I tells ya.

 

I think I have sleep on this before judgement day.

[Estelindis]

More content for everyone would have been nice vis-a-vis the romances in general. I can see being a bit disappointed after the fact once you've been on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster (I sure wanted extra scenes/dialogue, but I'm okay with it). Look on the bright side, at least it ultimately works out better than a relationship with Solas does, and you technically get to have a happy ending. *pat pat*

Yes, the consolation for every other romance: at least it's not Solas!    Poor Solas-mancers...  

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The ending re. Solas actually puts his post-Revelations anger and Blackwall into a very different context, making it all the more appropriate for Solas to apologise later.  What's that, Solas?  You understand making mistakes and trying to atone for them? Could that be because you started this whole mess by giving the orb to Corypheus?  Good job, Solas.

 

WTF? Really?   

 

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So this is it? I am so very disappointed, I have done the revelations quest yesterday and I was so broken hearted that I now don't even care about reading spoilers anymore. Today I felt like I was able to forgive him and go on with the romance because I was sure I was just at the beginning of a very deep and complex relationship, and now you tell me instead it's just " Ok Blackwall/Rainier you did wrong but then you changed and I forgive you so let's go on with our small manly kisses in the stables as if nothing happened? I was expectiong A LOT more from a company whose flagship is writing awesome characters and storyline   Well, s h i t 

Yeah, I know.  

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I can't help being a bit disappointed.  I took Blackwall with me everywhere, so I'm reasonably sure that I didn't miss out on much, but maybe my sequence of events was a bit off.  We did Explanations > Adamant > Revelations.  I will say, though, that replaying the game is very interesting, knowing how his story unfolds.  When you first meet him, he talks about Wardens being able to inspire people to do better.  At the time, I thought that was a slightly pompous thing to say.  Now I know he was talking about being inspired to be better himself.  In terms of post-Revelations lovey-dovey stuff, the only thing I noticed was a comment about my Inquisitor clearly not minding his beard, after kissing him for the third time via his standard dialogue wheel - but that strikes me as the kind of thing that probably could have come up earlier, if I'd been able to stomach the "We need to talk about our relationship" line more often.  I chose the American accent for my qunari, and heavens, she sounded almost like she was making a declaration of war every time she said it!     The only thing that actually pushed me to keep trying it was desperate hope that some more romance content might be concealed there. 

 

I just can't get over the fact that the core romance for straight women is the worst developed character of all. I'm not talking of

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his lies and the plot twist

, I'm talking about the fact that he looks like a romance of the eleventh hour and as if they didn't have the time to develop it as it deserved. Sadly it's not so and I'm wondering if they didn't 'steal' some of Blackwall's scenes and lines to give them to Cullen who IS the romance of the eleventh hour. Sheryl Chee said she's not the romantic type and I can cope with that, I'm just complaining about the fact that Blackwall always stays always a bit on the sidelines, always on the background, pity he doesn't feel like a brooding introvert but just a bit boring and uninteresting.

Yes, Blackwall's a wonderful character who gives plenty of material for fanfic, but in terms of actual in-game content, I feel he should've had more.  I feel like my Inquisitor had more personal conversations with Cullen, with whom she never even flirted, than Blackwall, who she romanced fully.

[Gvalchca]

Yeah, I know.  

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I chose the American accent for my qunari, and heavens, she sounded almost like she was making a declaration of war every time she said it!     The only thing that actually pushed me to keep trying it was desperate hope that some more romance content might be concealed there. 

 

With british voice it's said in a bit harsh way too, for my taste. Especially considering that you can't really break up with him when that option is available.

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I just can imagine how before Revelations each time it goes something like that.

Inquisitor: "We need to talk about our relationship." 

Blackwall: *That's it. She knows everything.*

Inquisitor: [Kiss him.]

Blackwall: *False alarm. Nevermind.*

 

[Estelindis]

With british voice it's said in a bit harsh way too, for my taste. Especially considering that you can't really break up with him when that option is available.

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I just can imagine how before Revelations each time it goes something like that.

Inquisitor: "We need to talk about our relationship." 

Blackwall: *That's it. She knows everything.*

Inquisitor: [Kiss him.]

Blackwall: *False alarm. Nevermind.*

This made me laugh!    It's not the worst voice direction in his conversations, though.  There's one line when you're saying goodbye to him, to leave his ordinary conversation wheel, and he answers in this *really* grumpy, passive-agressive way: "After all, you are in charge."  Every time I hear it, I feel like I've been slapped in the face!  Dunno what they were thinking there.

[Jaulen]

Cole's comment about Blackwall and the Inquisitor:

Something about 'him feeling naked without the name on the armor, but now he knows you want him naked.'

 

I laughed.

 

RE: the "After all, you ARE in charge." end conversation line....yeah....after Relevations, that line should have changed depending on what you did with him, keep him in servitude to the Inquisition? Makes perfect sense. Send him to the wardens? Also makes sense....let him go free? Does not make sense, romanced or not.

 

Finished the game last night. 101 hours.

Tonight I am taking a night off, and then will start my next run through with Cullen.

(for comparison sake of course)

 

I do like that Blackwall's romance is a more mature, less....Harlequin romance. But it could have been more...intimate, especially if after Revelations you decide to stay in a relationship with him. Although his whole line at the end when he sees you survived.....*smiles, quietly heartwarming, especially saying in front of the whole troop*

[Gvalchca]

 There's one line when you're saying goodbye to him, to leave his ordinary conversation wheel, and he answers in this *really* grumpy, passive-agressive way: "After all, you are in charge."  Every time I hear it, I feel like I've been slapped in the face!  Dunno what they were thinking there.

Yeah, I try to avoid it too. In comparison just leaving conversation by running away seems like a good option 

I just noticed how during the quest in Storm Coast where you sealing off darkspawn nests each time after combat is over Blackwall asks "Is everyone alright?" or "Are you alright, love?".

[Estelindis]

Cole's comment about Blackwall and the Inquisitor:

Something about 'him feeling naked without the name on the armor, but now he knows you want him naked.'

 

I laughed.

Blush-worthy!  

 

RE: the "After all, you ARE in charge." end conversation line....yeah....after Relevations, that line should have changed depending on what you did with him, keep him in servitude to the Inquisition? Makes perfect sense. Send him to the wardens? Also makes sense....let him go free? Does not make sense, romanced or not.

Yes, it absolutely makes sense if you'd kept him in servitude, but I got that before Revelations even happened.  Maybe it's a bug.  As Gvalchca says, it's probably best just to run away!

[Aisabel]

I didn't do this on my playthrough (because I couldn't wait!!!) but does anyone know -- 

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-- if you get a second chance at the sex scene, if you choose the heart-be with friends (left in bar) instead of the heart-find a quiet place (left after love scene)? There is a nice little declaration from him when chosing the heart-friend route before he leaves, but I wouldn't want to give up the one and only love scene! Even if my girl does wake up naked and alone on what must be awfully prickly bales of hay. If only he'd left his jacket!!

Well, sadly, I tried that and I didn't get a single sex scene that I know of- just the same ole romance stuff you get if you slept with him.

[berelinde]

Well, sadly, I tried that and I didn't get a single sex scene that I know of- just the same ole romance stuff you get if you slept with him.

That sounds like a bug. According to the strategy guide, you're supposed to get a cutscene in your quarters afterward.

[IssackHawkeFTW]

I don't know, I was so enthusiast about the game in the beginning, now I feel like there's just too much Skyrim in it and too little Bioware/dragon age. I enjoyed the crafting and the exploring until I didn't realize they went to the detriment of human interactions and character development. I wonder how many of you read all the codex entries available, they are just too many. If there wasn't enough time and/or enough room for everything I wish there were less techincalities and frippery and more substance. No, actually if I think of Cole or Cassandra, or Cullen (I friendzoned him and it was hard, I've been told his romance plot is awesome) I can recall a lot of talks and character-related scenes... perhaps I just can't get over the fact that the core romance for straight women is the worst developed character of all. I'm not talking of

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his lies and the plot twist

, I'm talking about the fact that he looks like a romance of the eleventh hour and as if they didn't have the time to develop it as it deserved. Sadly it's not so and I'm wondering if they didn't 'steal' some of Blackwall's scenes and lines to give them to Cullen who IS the romance of the eleventh hour. Sheryl Chee said she's not the romantic type and I can cope with that, I'm just complaining about the fact that Blackwall always stays always a bit on the sidelines, always on the background, pity he doesn't feel like a brooding introvert but just a bit boring and uninteresting. If I think back of what I was expecting from this game before it was released in terms of character interactions I must say it's much below my expectations, as Angry Joe said it's so damn easy to avoid someone abandoning the Inquisition, and now after 80 hours of gameplay I don't see all the replayability I was hoping for. I feel like Bioware has betrayed its own nature in order to win the Elder Scrolls fans, and as always when you try to please everyone you easily manage to dissatisfy everyone. I don't like the combat system either, In DAO you could face your enemy, look into Ogre's small eyes, see a hurlock's twisted face grinning at you, now enemies are just insignificant dim figures attacking you from a distance without giving you any emotions. No, I'm not a fan of action and I think the 'hybrid' between RPG and action resembles too much just one of its parents.
All, of course, IMHO.

How is it little depth when you claim there are so many? that just doesn't make sense to me, there. This game is a sprawling massive experience, if you can devote time and effort to that, I can't see why reading some extra Codex is too big of a hassle.

There is nothing detrimental in all those evolved/deep systems. For the longest time Dragon Age has always lagged behind in terms of gameplay, now its actually a good game as much as it is a good story. Inquisition's cast for me personally, is probably one of the best because they all feel well developed, yes even Blackwall, his personal quest and the revelations surroundings it just added so much to him as a character.

But suffice to say before I go on, I haven't actually romanced him yet so i'm merely giving my input on him in terms of a character who's just a companion, nothing more.

 

Oh and as for combat, that's exactly why the fast paced, more cathartic combat works so wonderfully well. In DAO it all felt much more mechanic than ''filled with emotions'', everything was incredibly clunky and slow paced. Now you feel as if you're knee deep in the action and it works well without sacrificing too much depth/strategical depth.