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[AtreiyaN7]

That sounds like a bug. According to the strategy guide, you're supposed to get a cutscene in your quarters afterward.

 

Wait, what? If you decide to go to the tavern...you're supposed to get a romance scene in your room later?! I actually did reload and picked the tavern scene just to see the dialogue because someone else said it was nice - and then I reloaded because I had adventuring to do. I thought the romance scenes pretty much consisted of his first visit to your quarters when he tries to get you to put an end to the relationship (I figured with the bed right there, there was no way it didn't end up being used, considering...) and then the barn scene.

 

Honestly, if I could get a non-barn romance scene in my Inquisitor's room, that would be nicer - I mean, I spent SO much money on interior decorating! And I'm a little tired of the flies and the horses (no offense, Blackwall - but my Inquisitor's room is much nicer *HINT HINT*).

[aliastasia]

I have the prima guide - I am not sure they got all the details right?
I actually reloaded an old save after finishing my first playthrough because his arc was so borked - for example, when doing shards on the storm coast, all of a sudden I get the cutscene for the badge without any other preamble than flirting a little in Haven, and it also seems bits and pieces fell out.
Only scene I got, after having beaten the game, is the one where they watch the sunset together.

 

I DID love the epilogue, though - and how well it was done, both his comment and that scene where he just looks.
And not just because of the feels, but also because it depicts a man w an asskicking gf by whom he is not threatened at all, and he is just happy and in love.
So with all due respect to the people who weren't big on Chee, this bit was awesome to me

 

Do wish you could have generic dialogue post-epilogue, though - not much to talk - or snog - about in the stable, now....

/A

[Sabreenei]

I went back to a save, and chose to hang out in the pub instead of going back to the barn. I followed it through to the revalations quest and the

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judgement

, but when it was all done, he's back in the barn, and the line I love to ask

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about what happens to them in the future, with the making eggs line

isn't even available! Just the nevermind and the kiss. Not that I mind the kissing. haha.

 

I didn't take my testing much past that, since I have a real game much farther on happening. I tried going on a quick hunting mission and coming back, but no change. If there is another scene, either it's borked or it's tied to something else. Maybe after I finish the game I'll come back to this save (it's at exactly the 100 hour mark! yes I've been totally rambling my way through this game, because i'm not even finished yet) and check it out.

[veeia]

I've actually not posted in this thread much because I didn't expect to care about Blackwall, but he ended up being my first LI and I adore him and him and my Cadash so much, lmao. So, waves.

[Sabreenei]

The Cullen romance does look very interesing. I'm going to try his romance next, see how the two compare. I'll probably also try out Dorian (I never make guy characters if there's an option for a woman, but for Dorian I'll make an exception), and maybe Solas if I can get my nerve up to have my heart smashed, from the bits and pieces of spoilers I've seen.

Of course, that's all conjecture now. We'll see how well I do staying away from Blackwall! And I still have to finish the game... lol. I might get farther if I stopped going back to saves and replaying scenes and trying all the dialogue...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also it seems Cole details just how amorous Blackwall is towards Josephine, but nothing for the inquisitor... his feelings  for our inquisitor aren't strong enough for Cole to read I guess.  I think (where companions can get together) they appear to be happier together than with our inquisitors. Yeah...No thank you! I'll stick with Cullen (sad he is not a companion).

As I said in another thread, the scary part is that Blackwall still does what he does with Josephine even after she and the Inquisitor become a couple, meaning he basically stalks your girlfriend. 

[Jaulen]

The Cullen romance does look very interesing. I'm going to try his romance next, see how the two compare. I'll probably also try out Dorian (I never make guy characters if there's an option for a woman, but for Dorian I'll make an exception), and maybe Solas if I can get my nerve up to have my heart smashed, from the bits and pieces of spoilers I've seen.

Of course, that's all conjecture now. We'll see how well I do staying away from Blackwall! And I still have to finish the game... lol. I might get farther if I stopped going back to saves and replaying scenes and trying all the dialogue...

 

Good luck!

 

My first play through I was SURE I was going to romance Solas....after all, I was playing an elf!

Then the flirt line popped up with Cullen and I took it, and continued to take them...he's so awkward!

But then the flirt options with Blackwall.....and I don't know at what point my elf tossed aside Cullen.....but she never looked back.

[Sheryl Chee]

As I said in another thread, the scary part is that Blackwall still does what he does with Josephine even after she and the Inquisitor become a couple, meaning he basically stalks your girlfriend. 

 

Are you certain? Did this happen to you? Sylvia and I went to great lengths to try to make sure this didn't happen. The banters from the rogues that mention it should not appear unless the Inquisitor has committed to a relationship with someone else. We figured this would be best, just in case you decided to romance Josephine later in the game. 

[veeia]

I got Sera banter about Josie and Blackwall while romancing him. (And it was after the romance had completed) I am not a good example though, because I have the big banter issue, and it was actually the only Blackwall Sera banter I ever got (before I started doing the testing in the banter thread) despite having them in my party the entire game.

...I am pretty sure it was supposed to be a banter for unromanced BW, at least.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Are you certain? Did this happen to you? Sylvia and I went to great lengths to try to make sure this didn't happen. The banters from the rogues that mention it should not appear unless the Inquisitor has committed to a relationship with someone else. We figured this would be best, just in case you decided to romance Josephine later in the game. 

Yeah, after the final scene in the Josephine romance I had Cole and Blackwall's banter about it happen. But maybe it was just a bug in the banter.

[Milan92]

Yeah, after the final scene in the Josephine romance I had Cole and Blackwall's banter about it happen. But maybe it was just a bug in the banter.

 

It sounds like a bug.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I do like that Blackwall's romance is a more mature, less....Harlequin romance. But it could have been more...intimate, especially if after Revelations you decide to stay in a relationship with him. Although his whole line at the end when he sees you survived.....*smiles, quietly heartwarming, especially saying in front of the whole troop*

 

Under spoiler cut for thoughts:

 

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I thought the scene with the rocking horse griffon was very touching.  Although he's still bearing the guilt (and I don't think he'll ever will or should let it go, he done f'ed up real bad), he's starting a new life over and seems to want to do it right this time.  The part where he told the Inquisitor that he had something to live for (versus the alternative) made me tear up quite a bit.

 

I didn't feel let down by the apparent or perceived lack of intimacy.  That reveal of his was pretty effing epic and I'll probably revisit the romance again one day. 

[Milan92]

That reminds me, when is his personal quest supposed to unlock?

 

I did his "find all warden stuff" collection and I'm past Adamant fortress, but it hasn't shown up yet.

 

Is it romance related?

[CredulousAlloy]

So I'm taking a break from posting walls of text about Blackwall (probably not for long...) but just had to share this short exchange between him and Vivienne after her personal quest (obvious spoilers):

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Blackwall: I'm sorry for your loss.
Vivienne: ...Thank you.
Blackwall: I do mean it. Despite our differences.
Vivienne: You are very kind. But you needn't concern yourself.

Even after she's insulted him for the entire game, he tries to offer a few words of comfort when he feels she needs it. He's so sweet

 

That reminds me, when is his personal quest supposed to unlock?

I did his "find all warden stuff" collection and I'm past Adamant fortress, but it hasn't shown up yet.

Is it romance related?

I think you need to do the Winter Palace quest first?

[berelinde]

That reminds me, when is his personal quest supposed to unlock?

 

I did his "find all warden stuff" collection and I'm past Adamant fortress, but it hasn't shown up yet.

 

Is it romance related?

Did you find the badge?

 

Also, you need to complete both Adamant and Wicked Hearts.

[SgtSteel91]

Was there ever a clear number on what Blackwall's age is? I imagine he's at least in his late 30s based on what he looks like in the game.

[AtreiyaN7]

Was there ever a clear number on what Blackwall's age is? I imagine he's at least in his late 30s based on what he looks like in the game.

 

 

1. What there is in the codex indicates that he won the Grand Tourney at 18 and disappeared with his gold.
2. When he showed up two years later, he was penniless, and that's when he joined the Orlesian army at age 20.
3. The incident took place in 9:35 when he was a captain in the army, and the Inquisition takes place in 9:41, so that's another six years of time.
4. Together, this accounts for at least eight years in his life, with no one knowing exactly how much time he spent in the army climbing the ranks to captain.
5. You have to figure it would take a while to get promoted (even if he had some fame left over from winning the Grand Tourney), so he was probably enlisted for over a decade, maybe? Although I suppose it's possible to get promoted faster if you're good at the Game, etc.

 

After all that, I would go with something in the range of 38-42 or perhaps. The mystery would be solved with the exact date of the Grand Tourney - heh.

[Bugsie]

Okay so not spoilering myself but now I’ve hit the drama end of the romance so just some thoughts from me and comments are welcome about what I say here (in fact I almost feel like I need a shoulder to cry on about it).

 

Spoiler

I knew that he wasn’t a grey warden, too many hints and spoilers to avoid but I have to admit my shock at the reason why.  I’m delaying judgement because I’m still trying to get my head around it and how my PC fits in with the character.

 

Looking back, I can see the signs and the regret and the ‘not worthy’ – that his plans for atonement didn’t include a romance with an inquisitor.  The line he gives you when you dance with him at the Winter Palace when you question him about dancing – his answer ‘in a former life’ which leads into the idea of how much did he play ‘the game’.  His constant reference to being a grey warden as a promise – rather than about the joining or hearing the call.

 

His actions as Thom Rainier – are not the actions of an honourable man, of an honest man, nor a good man.  Nor were they the actions of a man looking to a higher cause, it was simply about money and power.  They were, put plainly, the actions of a man who played the game and lost. 

 

Adding to that was him running rather than owning up to a mistake that got innocents killed as his behest.

 

I’m guessing you’ll have several choices in judgement – execution in Val Royeux, Life long imprisonment, serving the inquisition and finally, given the judgements and alignments I’ve had so far – to turn him over to the wardens.

 

I feel turning him over to the wardens would be the most ideal, the best choice for redemption and rehabilitation but I guess then you’d lose him as companion for the rest of the game.  The grey wardens are full of criminals, bastard sons of kings, murderers and those who committed treason, he would not be out of place.  If Loghain can redeem himself as a grey warden, then why not Thom Rainier.

 

I guess I’m at a point where I am trying to justify keeping him around outside of the romance.  My Adaar is a mercenary, she too has killed for coin, and as someone says what is a soldier – but a mercenary with a uniform.  Being the same but different – is that enough?  The only thing I see separating us is that mark on my hand.

 

Gah, Bioware. 

 

*flails*

 

(been doing that a lot in this game)

[Ynqve]

Okay so not spoilering myself but now I’ve hit the drama end of the romance so just some thoughts from me and comments are welcome about what I say here (in fact I almost feel like I need a shoulder to cry on about it).

 

Spoiler

I knew that he wasn’t a grey warden, too many hints and spoilers to avoid but I have to admit my shock at the reason why.  I’m delaying judgement because I’m still trying to get my head around it and how my PC fits in with the character.

 

Looking back, I can see the signs and the regret and the ‘not worthy’ – that his plans for atonement didn’t include a romance with an inquisitor.  The line he gives you when you dance with him at the Winter Palace when you question him about dancing – his answer ‘in a former life’ which leads into the idea of how much did he play ‘the game’.  His constant reference to being a grey warden as a promise – rather than about the joining or hearing the call.

 

His actions as Thom Rainier – are not the actions of an honourable man, of an honest man, nor a good man.  Nor were they the actions of a man looking to a higher cause, it was simply about money and power.  They were, put plainly, the actions of a man who played the game and lost. 

 

Adding to that was him running rather than owning up to a mistake that got innocents killed as his behest.

 

I’m guessing you’ll have several choices in judgement – execution in Val Royeux, Life long imprisonment, serving the inquisition and finally, given the judgements and alignments I’ve had so far – to turn him over to the wardens.

 

I feel turning him over to the wardens would be the most ideal, the best choice for redemption and rehabilitation but I guess then you’d lose him as companion for the rest of the game.  The grey wardens are full of criminals, bastard sons of kings, murderers and those who committed treason, he would not be out of place.  If Loghain can redeem himself as a grey warden, then why not Thom Rainier.

 

I guess I’m at a point where I am trying to justify keeping him around outside of the romance.  My Adaar is a mercenary, she too has killed for coin, and as someone says what is a soldier – but a mercenary with a uniform.  Being the same but different – is that enough?  The only thing I see separating us is that mark on my hand.

 

Gah, Bioware. 

 

*flails*

 

(been doing that a lot in this game)

 

Spoiler

You don't lose him as a companion if you give him to the wardens.

 

And I agree, to me that seemed like the best option. If he survives the joining.

 

Edit: I highlighted the thing in your spoilertag that I answered. So there are some spoilers for that part. 

[Kortok]

Blackwall is easily my favorite NPC in this game.  He's a real **** kicker, but he is also no dummy.  I like my parties to have some no-nonsense killers that just get the job done and don't whine about every little thing.  Also, just from a gameplay perspective he is one of the top NPC's for a nightmare run.  Dude is almost unkillable. 

[AtreiyaN7]

Okay so not spoilering myself but now I’ve hit the drama end of the romance so just some thoughts from me and comments are welcome about what I say here (in fact I almost feel like I need a shoulder to cry on about it).

 

Spoiler

I knew that he wasn’t a grey warden, too many hints and spoilers to avoid but I have to admit my shock at the reason why.  I’m delaying judgement because I’m still trying to get my head around it and how my PC fits in with the character.

 

Looking back, I can see the signs and the regret and the ‘not worthy’ – that his plans for atonement didn’t include a romance with an inquisitor.  The line he gives you when you dance with him at the Winter Palace when you question him about dancing – his answer ‘in a former life’ which leads into the idea of how much did he play ‘the game’.  His constant reference to being a grey warden as a promise – rather than about the joining or hearing the call.

 

His actions as Thom Rainier – are not the actions of an honourable man, of an honest man, nor a good man.  Nor were they the actions of a man looking to a higher cause, it was simply about money and power.  They were, put plainly, the actions of a man who played the game and lost. 

 

Adding to that was him running rather than owning up to a mistake that got innocents killed as his behest.

 

I’m guessing you’ll have several choices in judgement – execution in Val Royeux, Life long imprisonment, serving the inquisition and finally, given the judgements and alignments I’ve had so far – to turn him over to the wardens.

 

I feel turning him over to the wardens would be the most ideal, the best choice for redemption and rehabilitation but I guess then you’d lose him as companion for the rest of the game.  The grey wardens are full of criminals, bastard sons of kings, murderers and those who committed treason, he would not be out of place.  If Loghain can redeem himself as a grey warden, then why not Thom Rainier.

 

I guess I’m at a point where I am trying to justify keeping him around outside of the romance.  My Adaar is a mercenary, she too has killed for coin, and as someone says what is a soldier – but a mercenary with a uniform.  Being the same but different – is that enough?  The only thing I see separating us is that mark on my hand.

 

Gah, Bioware. 

 

*flails*

 

(been doing that a lot in this game)

 

*pat pat*

 

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I will also point out that if you go to him in the Winter Palace at a certain point (I don't know exactly when...maybe around when you go to the trophy room), that an NPC shows up near Blackwall and he starts talking to him, saying that Blackwall looks familiar, etc. but the NPC can't quite seem to place him. If I hadn't already had suspicions (and then spoiled myself because I couldn't stand the suspense anymore), boy, that NPC who was talking to Blackwall sure would've set off some warning bells.

[berelinde]

Blackwall is easily my favorite NPC in this game.  He's a real **** kicker, but he is also no dummy.  I like my parties to have some no-nonsense killers that just get the job done and don't whine about every little thing.  Also, just from a gameplay perspective he is one of the top NPC's for a nightmare run.  Dude is almost unkillable. 

Seriously. My "let's kill us some dragons" party is Blackwall, Cassandra, and Vivienne. I'm running a squishy DW rogue, so I love the fact that once BW and Cass have their guard maxed, they're pretty much invincible, expecially once BW gets his Walking Fortress.

[Kortok]

Seriously. My "let's kill us some dragons" party is Blackwall, Cassandra, and Vivienne. I'm running a squishy DW rogue, so I love the fact that once BW and Cass have their guard maxed, they're pretty much invincible, expecially once BW gets his Walking Fortress.

Hah we have similar taste.  I roll with Blackwall and Viv too.  Only difference is I take Varric because I'm already a warrior.  

[SgtSteel91]

Okay so not spoilering myself but now I’ve hit the drama end of the romance so just some thoughts from me and comments are welcome about what I say here (in fact I almost feel like I need a shoulder to cry on about it).

 

Spoiler

I knew that he wasn’t a grey warden, too many hints and spoilers to avoid but I have to admit my shock at the reason why.  I’m delaying judgement because I’m still trying to get my head around it and how my PC fits in with the character.

 

Looking back, I can see the signs and the regret and the ‘not worthy’ – that his plans for atonement didn’t include a romance with an inquisitor.  The line he gives you when you dance with him at the Winter Palace when you question him about dancing – his answer ‘in a former life’ which leads into the idea of how much did he play ‘the game’.  His constant reference to being a grey warden as a promise – rather than about the joining or hearing the call.

 

His actions as Thom Rainier – are not the actions of an honourable man, of an honest man, nor a good man.  Nor were they the actions of a man looking to a higher cause, it was simply about money and power.  They were, put plainly, the actions of a man who played the game and lost. 

 

Adding to that was him running rather than owning up to a mistake that got innocents killed as his behest.

 

I’m guessing you’ll have several choices in judgement – execution in Val Royeux, Life long imprisonment, serving the inquisition and finally, given the judgements and alignments I’ve had so far – to turn him over to the wardens.

 

I feel turning him over to the wardens would be the most ideal, the best choice for redemption and rehabilitation but I guess then you’d lose him as companion for the rest of the game.  The grey wardens are full of criminals, bastard sons of kings, murderers and those who committed treason, he would not be out of place.  If Loghain can redeem himself as a grey warden, then why not Thom Rainier.

 

I guess I’m at a point where I am trying to justify keeping him around outside of the romance.  My Adaar is a mercenary, she too has killed for coin, and as someone says what is a soldier – but a mercenary with a uniform.  Being the same but different – is that enough?  The only thing I see separating us is that mark on my hand.

 

Gah, Bioware. 

 

*flails*

 

(been doing that a lot in this game)

 

Spoiler

Do you have to give him to the Wardens for redemption? Can't he just redeem himself working for the Inquisition, who at this point may be more honorable and good than the Grey Wardens? Maybe after the crisis is over he may join the Wardens of his own will.