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[Bugsie]

*pat pat*

 

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I will also point out that if you go to him in the Winter Palace at a certain point (I don't know exactly when...maybe around when you go to the trophy room), that an NPC shows up near Blackwall and he starts talking to him, saying that Blackwall looks familiar, etc. but the NPC can't quite seem to place him. If I hadn't already had suspicions (and then spoiled myself because I couldn't stand the suspense anymore), boy, that NPC who was talking to Blackwall sure would've set off some warning bells.

Thankyou kindly. 

 

Yes I got that convo, I knew it was leading somewhere. 

[veeia]

I knew it right off the bat (or suspected highly) because

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he mentions being in Feraldan during the Blight, and we knew real Blackwall was in Orlais during the Blight. So I spent most of the game cackling at him awkwardly deflecting Warden questions or situations---like if you take him to Valanmar and ask him how many Darkspawn there are---but I was still shocked at how much of a dirtbag he really was. I say this all affectionately because I adore him, and my Cadash was a dirtbag who was obsessed with the Dalish (so you can see why they immediately gravitated towards eachother) and even though i laughed a lot I have also shred real life tears over these two perfect dirtbags and their desperate attempts to be better people.

I think this was legit my favorite Bioware romance. It just hit me on so many levels.

[Bugsie]

Yeah it's hit the right notes for me so far.

 

As far as atonement I keep thinking of that line that the 12th Doctor keeps saying "Am I a good man?"

 

And a friend said to me today in response to my feelings about  it all

 

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I do think Blackwall is an example of the answer to the question "What can change the nature of a man?"

 

@sgtsteel91 - I don't know.  I will do a save before judgement and find out (unless others here know)

[AtreiyaN7]

Ahhhh, the Doctor!!!!! I have to say that a ) I like Peter Capaldi as the new Doctor, and now that you've reminded me about that line, it does kind of resonate with the whole Blackwall situation.

[Bugsie]

So do you all think Bioware have come close to a truly morally grey character with Blackwall?

 

(They've done it with a few, but none have felt this close to the bone for me)

[AtreiyaN7]

It's the closest they've come for me on this and a couple of other issues. I think there's a fair amount of nuance, from the mages to the templars to the Wardens to the Chantry, to the companions themselves. Even Cole has made mistakes that others might condemn him for - heck, some people would condemn him just for what he is - but isn't he ultimately trying to do good and to help people (maybe less helping with the daggers, though - heh)?

[Bugsie]

LOL, yes - and by all accounts one of the books goes into more detail about Cole in regard to that.

 

I do feel the mage/templar thing is far less black and white compared with DA2, so yes, nuanced is definitely the word I'd use.

[Estelindis]

I knew it right off the bat (or suspected highly) because

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he mentions being in Feraldan during the Blight, and we knew real Blackwall was in Orlais during the Blight.  

Exactly!  

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There was already a ton of evidence that pointed towards him not really being a Warden, but *that* was what first made me realise that he wasn't even really Blackwall.

 

I agree that his character appeals a lot, even in his imperfections.  Not counting the most obvious, he also has some fairly socially inept banters where he really doesn't come out on top.  Big grumpypants.  In spite of this, he's charming in his own, gruff way.  Indeed, as an early flirt says, he's "oddly charming."  

 

 

 

And a friend said to me today in response to my feelings about  it all

 

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I do think Blackwall is an example of the answer to the question "What can change the nature of a man?"

 

Ah, my favourite RPG of all time!  So heavy with themes of memory and identity, sin and repentance!  I didn't see the parallel at all until you mentioned it, but now I'll never unsee it.

 

 

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Do you have to give him to the Wardens for redemption? Can't he just redeem himself working for the Inquisition, who at this point may be more honorable and good than the Grey Wardens? Maybe after the crisis is over he may join the Wardens of his own will.

 

Yes.

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Freeing him works as a redemption path as well.  I actually prefer it, since it gives him the choice to join the Wardens for real, if that's what he wants, or to not join them, and thus be free of the Taint.

[Bugsie]

Oh and I guess its a matter of a person without resolution in his beliefs will change them easily, so yeah, 'The resolve' is so fitting for Blackwall.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Seriously. My "let's kill us some dragons" party is Blackwall, Cassandra, and Vivienne. I'm running a squishy DW rogue, so I love the fact that once BW and Cass have their guard maxed, they're pretty much invincible, expecially once BW gets his Walking Fortress.

Be sure to bring The Iron Bull at least once when killing a High Dragon. 

[berelinde]

Yeah it's hit the right notes for me so far.

 

As far as atonement I keep thinking of that line that the 12th Doctor keeps saying "Am I a good man?"

 

And a friend said to me today in response to my feelings about  it all

 

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I do think Blackwall is an example of the answer to the question "What can change the nature of a man?"

 

@sgtsteel91 - I don't know.  I will do a save before judgement and find out (unless others here know)

A good man is not defined by the absence of mistakes. A good man recognizes the mistakes he has made and learns from them.

[berelinde]

Be sure to bring The Iron Bull at least once when killing a High Dragon. 

Did that. Spent the entire battle babysitting him so he didn't die horribly at all times. It was ghastly and un-fun. I wouldn't do it again unless I respecced him to weapon-and-shield. I like Iron Bull as the carefree 2-hander, not concerned about his health as long as he has a high damage output, so I role-play him as that... but it does limit his usefulness when tanking is the key to survival.

[aluanira]

Was there ever a clear number on what Blackwall's age is? I imagine he's at least in his late 30s based on what he looks like in the game.

 

 

I figured he was between 40-50 since his face looks sort of older to me. I'd be very surprised if he was under 40. That's just based on my perception of his looks in game and the gray in his hair and beard in concept art, since removed. It's just an opinion though. I'd love to know the ages of all of the companions. I figure Blackwall is almost certainly the oldest followed by Solas, Vivienne, Varric and Cassandra. 

 

Loving the Blackwall romance. It's been a good one!

[Kaidan Fan]

So many posts to reply to. But I'm old and hate typing for a long time so I'm just gonna ramble .

 

I felt like Blackwalls romance was just right.  Not too much.  Not too little.  I think maybe the size of the game sometimes makes other things feel smaller?  (if that makes sense).  Such as companions and the story.  But it is all there.  There is just so much freedom to run around and take as long as you want between doing stuff that it makes other stuff seem smaller in size?  But I still enjoyed myself, the story and the companions and most definitily Blackwalls romance 

 

This part is spoilery to his arc so don't read if you don't want to see/know!

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My inquisitor forgave his past doings and gave him his freedom to atone.  It was obvious that's what he had been trying to do all along even though he was still carrying the burdun of guilt within himself.  She took him back because she is a believer in redemption and second chances.  He is a different man now.  I thought his arc was nicely done.  And I will repeat it many times, I'm sure.

 

As to his age, I think it was mentioned by one of the devs before release that he was mid 40s?  Hopefully I'm remembering that correctly.

 

Okay, more tomorrow if I get a chance! Enjoy the Blackwall! 

[Boudicae]

Did that. Spent the entire battle babysitting him so he didn't die horribly at all times. It was ghastly and un-fun. I wouldn't do it again unless I respecced him to weapon-and-shield. I like Iron Bull as the carefree 2-hander, not concerned about his health as long as he has a high damage output, so I role-play him as that... but it does limit his usefulness when tanking is the key to survival.

I had this problem too, I wanted to take him out more but he just kept drinking all my potions up lol. Then I made a masterwork armor for him that gives guard on hit, and he's way tougher now. Now I get to take him all over the place!

[veeia]

I honestly feel like

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not sending him to the Wardens is better for his redemption. Blackwall idolizes them and uses that idolatry to try to convince himself that he's better. Keeping him in the Inquisition is the best way for him to become his own man, IMO.

[Bugsie]

I'd figure Blackwall for mid 40's - believe me I know!

[berelinde]

I honestly feel like

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not sending him to the Wardens is better for his redemption. Blackwall idolizes them and uses that idolatry to try to convince himself that he's better. Keeping him in the Inquisition is the best way for him to become his own man, IMO.

I do that too.

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Not because I don't believe that he belongs in the Wardens, but because I believe it should be *his* choice. So many of his big life choices have been decided by past mistakes. I wanted him to have one choice that was completely his call. He'll find the Wardens, I'm sure, but it will be his call, not because it's his sentence.

[Bugsie]

Mm you guys have given me a bit to think about re his judgement.

[Aisabel]

I've actually not posted in this thread much because I didn't expect to care about Blackwall, but he ended up being my first LI and I adore him and him and my Cadash so much, lmao. So, waves.

Same here, actually! I went around flirting with everyone and ended up with him because he was basically the most realistic relationship to me and reminded me a little of my husband.

[Aisabel]

Just thought I would say that the quote about there being "...plenty of things in life worthy to die for, but very few things worthy to live for..." made me so happy I had to hug my husband and repeat it to him so he'd know just how much I love him. 

[AtreiyaN7]

As to his age, I think it was mentioned by one of the devs before release that he was mid 40s?  Hopefully I'm remembering that correctly.

 

Okay, more tomorrow if I get a chance! Enjoy the Blackwall! 

 

Finally, an age-appropriate LI for me!

[Milan92]

Did you find the badge?

 

Also, you need to complete both Adamant and Wicked Hearts.

 

Ah that might explain it. I still have to do Wicked Hearts with this playthrough

[aliastasia]

I loved the dance scene in Wicked Hearts, if you bring him and completed the quest.
Lots of really nice little touches in the game in general, which I appreciate  - I am genuinely sorry for the tech issues - they, and their current handling,  mar and detract from some really good writing.

 

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