What makes you think he hasn't done that personally?
The fact that in his personal quest he says he is tired of running, as in he has just now decided to face the music. This is the man who was so afraid of facing his past that he stole a Warden's identity, depriving the Warden's family closure, rather than using his own name in a nation that is no friend of Orlais so wouldn't even be looking for him.
Apparently the Inquisition's members are more forgiving of a mass, including children, murderer then I pegged them for. Disappointing.
Maybe because they see more than just a mass murderer?
The fact that in his personal quest he says he is tired of running, as in he has just now decided to face the music. This is the man who was so afraid of facing his past that he stole a Warden's identity, depriving the Warden's family closure, rather than using his own name in a nation that is no friend of Orlais so wouldn't even be looking for him.
I got the impression that he's been obsessing over his guilt over what happened and that he's been doing everything to redeem himself in their eyes. To the point where Cole actually tells him that he should stop it and move forward instead.
And an important thing to remember is that
The fact that in his personal quest he says he is tired of running, as in he has just now decided to face the music. This is the man who was so afraid of facing his past that he stole a Warden's identity, depriving the Warden's family closure, rather than using his own name in a nation that is no friend of Orlais so wouldn't even be looking for him.
What makes you think the real Blackwall had family? Maybe he was a criminal too?
Fair enough - but I will point out that in the romance, not only does Blackwall try to push you away at first to prevent you from getting involved in his mess, but that what he ultimately does by leaving is at least partially for your sake if you're in a romance with him. I suspect that he both wants to be the man that you think he is and feels a need to step up and take responsibility now more than ever and also wants to keep the Inquisition's good name (and yours) from being ruined because of him.
I'll have to take your word on the romance. All I know is after he sleeps with you he leaves, which is a despicable act in and of itself.
So he does what he thinks is best and leaves, resolved to die and not really expecting you to come after him. As for what the other companions say, a lot of what Cole said has been posted in here (the most relevant points). Dorian gets snarky about it but almost instantly apologizes later on. Solas really lays into Blackwall, but just earlier, I got the dialogue where he apologizes for being harsh. Cassandra is angry, but I think she probably gets over it like everyone else seems to do over time (maybe she doesn't, don't know).
I only have the apology part for Solas written down, so you'll have to find one of the banter videos for the tongue-lashing that precedes it.
Solas: I wish to apologize for what I said.
Blackwall: You were right, though. I deserved it.
Solas: My people had a saying long ago. "The healer has the bloodiest hands."
Solas: You cannot treat a wound without knowing how deep it goes. You cannot heal pain by hiding it.
Solas: You must accept. Accept the blood, to make it better.
Solas: You have taken the first step. That is the most important part.
Everyone is mad at him - vis-a-vis what Cole says at some point. And it's because they all want him to be Blackwall, having believed in him up to that point, so they're obviously all surprised/shocked/horrfied/angry on their own (except for Cole who was never angry and who always knew the truth for obvious reasons). It's clear that Blackwall is no longer trying to run from anything and that he's trying his best - which may not be good enough for you, and if it's not, then it's just never going to be enough for you. *shrug*
But even Solas can recognize that he's trying - and there are more similarities between the two of them than you know...unless you've finished the game. If you have finished the game, then you'll understand why I'm saying that. Regarding the rest of the companions, I don't know about Viv's or Bull's takes on the situation because I haven't had a chance to stick them all together.
Yeah, I'll watch the other banter when I get to them.
As for him owning up to it being enough for me, all I'll say is it is a start.
As far as Loghain goes...I spared him exactly one time (this was when I was cheesed off at Alistair after romancing him with my elf mage...btw, eventually settled for mistress status a la Vivienne on that playthrough in the end). He seemed repentant, but I didn't like him. I could, however, respect Loghain on a certain level.
It was a lot more personal in that case because he'd been attacking my Warden, and because of Arl Howe (whom I loathed on my Cousland noble) - maybe I forgave Alexius, but it wasn't quite the same as dealing with Loghian for the whole game. In fact, there's commentary about the whole hero-or-villain situation with Loghain from Solas at some point. I think it's one of those times when you ask him what he's seen in the Fade. As he points out, sometimes he's a traitor, sometimes he's a man who tried to do right - there's really no way to know the truth of the matter via Fade dreams because what you see there is shaped by the memories and perceptions of different people, and they all view what happened differently.
I remember Solas' dialogue on it. Like I said, while Loghain did unforgivable things like selling City Elves into slavery or killing nobles who opposed him, in his mind at least he thought he was doing it to save Ferelden. He knew it was terrible what he did, but thought that the ends would justify the means. Rainer meanwhile did it for gold.
Maybe because they see more than just a mass murderer?
You're right. He is also a coward, a sell-sword, a liar, an identity thief, and a stalker.
Stalking someone is a cheerier note?
Well, I thought it's cute.
He even gives her flowers.
What makes you think the real Blackwall had family? Maybe he was a criminal too?
Fair enough. But he certainly had friends among the Wardens at the very least who for years have no idea what happened to Blackwall.
I got the impression that he's been obsessing over his guilt over what happened and that he's been doing everything to redeem himself in their eyes. To the point where Cole actually tells him that he should stop it and move forward instead.
And an important thing to remember is that
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He heard them before the blades struck. He had time to call the attack off. But he didn't, because "that is how these things are" or however he put it.
Fair enough. But he certainly had friends among the Wardens at the very least who for years have no idea what happened to Blackwall.
They probably assumed he got killed by darkspawn and moved on.
It seems to me you've made up your mind about him and nothing anyone of us says is going to change your mind. Just like I feel that Loghain is dispicable in his actions and you can't change that for me.
Everyone is going to take the story and happenings the way they want. Some are more open, some aren't.
I was determined to hate Cole and Iron Bull before the game came out, but after meeting them and playing the game it was quite the opposite for both. I love them.
I just hope that for your enjoyment of the game you can find a way to role play whatever end it is you are looking for.
Fair enough. But he certainly had friends among the Wardens at the very least who for years have no idea what happened to Blackwall.
He heard them before the blades struck. He had time to call the attack off. But he didn't, because "that is how these things are" or however he put it.
How soon before the blades struck? Was it a matter of seconds? Minutes?
Fair enough. But he certainly had friends among the Wardens at the very least who for years have no idea what happened to Blackwall.
He heard them before the blades struck. He had time to call the attack off. But he didn't, because "that is how these things are" or however he put it.
It was a lose-lose situation. He froze up and then he had to decide between calling the attack off and be exposed which means certain death for himself and his men or let the attack continue which was their only chance at survival. Because that's how the Game works.
And I don't think there was much time to react or think about it. By the time he heard the voices they were already assaulting the carriage. He had to make a snap decision and live with the consequences.
From my understanding, Blackwall hadn't been anywhere near the incident when it happened.
How soon before the blades struck? Was it a matter of seconds? Minutes?
The fact that in his personal quest he says he is tired of running, as in he has just now decided to face the music. This is the man who was so afraid of facing his past that he stole a Warden's identity, depriving the Warden's family closure, rather than using his own name in a nation that is no friend of Orlais so wouldn't even be looking for him.
Tired of running from himself perhaps - and he does want to deal with it; maybe he couldn't really face up to it until spending time with the Inquisition and seeing himself as you see him (in a romance anyway). Sure, at the start, he has been a criminal on the run, atoning in his own way (like helping those fishermen out), but he's also a man with a guilty conscience, and his guilt has clearly been weighing on his conscience for years upon years now.
Also, he wasn't afraid to face his past when he took on Blackwall's identity, in my opinion. I will just point out that he was recruited by Blackwall and that he was right in the middle of collecting darkspawn blood for the Joining to become part of the Order - it's jut that things went awry and the real Blackwall seemed to think enough of Rainier to save him from a killing blow. Additionally, I will point out where Rainier effectively said that it was a waste of a good man's life - better that Rainier die and "Blackwall" continue on. He was simultaneously honoring Blackwall in his own way and atoning, but he wasalso still hiding from the law - not going to deny that he was.
As for that other thing about being disappointed in the companions, you should recognize that they all have their own flaws/secrets/issues/failings and that some of them, perhaps, feel that they shouldn't be judging other people in such black-and-white terms. *shrug* It's fine to not like what he did, to not forgive him for it if that's how you feel, but I think you shouldn't try to make out as if there are no consequences for his actions and that the companions aren't entitled to deal with it in their own ways. If they understand and forgive, then they just do.
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Oh don't worry, I'm not defending him.
I actually want to dislike him for what he did, but I can't.
Fair enough. But he certainly had friends among the Wardens at the very least who for years have no idea what happened to Blackwall.
He heard them before the blades struck. He had time to call the attack off. But he didn't, because "that is how these things are" or however he put it.
Oh don't worry, I'm not defending him.
I actually want to dislike him for what he did, but I can't.
He's definitely the new Loghain 
He's definitely the new Loghain
That he is.
And I applaud Sheryl for that.
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Ah, I see.
I like how the character banter often adds even more to the characters than there already is. Some of the banter is really good.
Oh don't worry, I'm not defending him.
I actually want to dislike him for what he did, but I can't.
Yeah, I getcha'. It's tricky to think about! I really like discussing it finally.
That he is.
And I applaud Sheryl for that.
Still would've like a Grey Warden veteran companion 
Still would've like a Grey Warden veteran companion
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