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Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]


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CredulousAlloy

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I'm just going to hand over to Dorian for a moment, since we all know Dorian's always right ;)

Dorian: I've been thinking.
Blackwall: Oh, this should be good.
Dorian: I was about to say that you're too hard on yourself, Blackwall.
Blackwall: Too hard on myself? Is this setting up a punchline?
Dorian: You're not the thug I thought you were. You're not the thug ANYONE thought you were.
Blackwall: Here it comes...
Dorian: Point is, you should let yourself off the hook. I know bad men, and you're not one.
Blackwall: I'm...not sure how to respond.
Dorian: Of course not. Let's not go crazy with defying expectations.

 

(I don't quite agree with Dorian that he should simply "let himself off the hook" - and I don't think he'd ever be able to anyway - but he has the right idea.)

 

Also, on the Josie thing, I'm sure that if someone could read any of our minds and vocalize the thoughts we have about people we like but can't approach for whatever reason, we'd sound creepy too.
 


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I was fine until it got to the "under her dress" portion.

II thought it was pretty funny.

 

But then I'm a dirty old woman.


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Yeah, that's super awkward. But I mean, it's not outside of the realm of possibility for a dude who has a crush on someone to be thinking about them naked...? 

Still, it is him staring at her from a distance while imaging how she looks and feels while naked. That's stalker territory. 



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The notion that it is a lose-lose situation is wrong. There is a clear right choice and a clear wrong choice. He chose the latter. 

 

You have no evidence suggesting that there was a possibility for them to retreat without major repercussions. And I don't agree that there was a clear right choice or a clear wrong choice. There were two bad choices, one guaranteed that he and his men would die, the other one offered them a chance to survive but at a terrible cost. 



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Still, it is him staring at her from a distance while imaging how she looks and feels while naked. That's stalker territory. 

 

No, it isn't.  I've been stalked before (something that has required intervention) and he is not stalking her.  Stop confusing it because it's not funny.


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Again, he heard the children singing a nursery rhyme. He needed a second, literally one second, to scream "Stop!" to his men and the attack would stop. He could even tell his soldiers later that they had bad intel after falling back. But he keeps the attack going. 

 

Still stinks that we can't stop the Game from existing in DAI.

 

I am being realistic. I see him as a captain of the Orlesian military, which he was. Thus he was a soldier whose job is to protect the people of Orlais, not slaughter them. 

 

 

We really don't know anything about the chevalier that almost patroned Blackwall. For all we know, he was as bad as the rest of them. He was at the very least a murderer since the Chevalier initiation involves killing City Elves. 

 

As for romance content, can't comment. 

 

 

He could call a retreat. And it only takes one second to do so. 

 

 

Well, he said he was told it was just the target and bodyguards, so he could say "We got bad intel" to his troops. He isn't lying. 

 

 

As others said, from how other companions describe what he does, it is creepy. 

 

He would have been more interesting if he actually did call the attack back, since he is a soldier going against the Game, in my opinion. 

 

I have one word for you: fear.

 

Have you never experienced a moment of paralytic fear in your life? Because I have - I'm an excellent writer, but I hate public speaking and outright fear it. That's why I occasionally ended up completely freezing just when having to stand up to give presentation in front of the rest of the class in the distant past. One time, it was so horribly bad that I couldn't raise my hand and ask a question of a subject who was there for us to interview (it was a journalism class, FYI).

 

Now just think about that, and then try to consider how much worse it is if you're faced with a major life-and-death situation. I think you might just freeze for long enough that the opportunity to take action passes you by. I believe that even a big, strapping man can experience that level of fear in certain situations. And with regards to the chevaliers, yeah, Orlesian culture can be crappy, but don't you understand what the chevalier was doing and what he was sacrificing for Rainier?

 

Ignoring their initiation rites (deplorable, of course), the old chevalier was clearly a man who did have a good heart. You don't give up the kind of gold or the fame that he did for no reason. Yet the old chevalier did this because he saw something in Rainier. if the chevalier were just some sort of selfish git, then he didn't have to help Rainier at all.

 

And I would now like to point out that samurai sometimes tested their swords on actual people, so are you going to cast aspersions on every single one of them? I just think this shows that a warrior class - fictional or real - can be the embodiment of honor, yet still engage in completely crappy behavior that is somehow acceptable within their own society.

 

Oh, and as for his stopping making him more interesting? The only thing stopping the murders would have accomplished is ensuring that Rainier was dead and not in DA:I. I'm not sure how that works out to being more interesting when he wouldn't be there to tell you his tale.



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Yeah, that's super awkward. But I mean, it's not outside of the realm of possibility for a dude who has a crush on someone to be thinking about them naked...? 

 

Don't be ridiculous. That has never ever happened! ewwwww


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Still, it is him staring at her from a distance while imaging how she looks and feels while naked. That's stalker territory. 

The banter posted is really nothing of that sort.

You don't need to be staring at someone from a distance, let alone stalk them to fantasize about them. That he was "stalking" her is really pure assumption, unless you have more than just that one banter conversation.


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Still, it is him staring at her from a distance while imaging how she looks and feels while naked. That's stalker territory. 

 

I so disagree. I've had stalkery types before, so I can understand how Blackwall's level of intensity coupled with that dialogue might make people feel uncomfortable. But I honestly think if you take out the "Cole speak" (making it all breathy and weirdly rhythmic), it's just a dude thinking about an attractive woman. Which is human. 


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I am going to ask that no one bring up the stalking again.  It is one thing to look at one of your crushes (and even as a girl I can say I've done my share of longing looks), but that if that were the definition of stalking (and it isn't), then he would be displaying other types of behavior besides that.  And he doesn't.

 

So, stop it.


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Still, it is him staring at her from a distance while imaging how she looks and feels while naked. That's stalker territory.

Just goddamn stop. Despite your denials you are sh*t posting. 

 

Getting mighty pissed right about now .  Bring it up again and I'll be talking to a mod.


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Cole: Golden, graceful, glittering, but not gaudy. Voice delicate and delectable.

 

BW: What are you talking about, Cole?

 

Cole: Sweet, soft, and silky. Her dress, and also under her dress...are you going to talk to Josephine?

 

BW: Maker's balls. Get out of my mind would you? You make me sound like a dirty old bastard.

 

Thank you for writing it out!! :)

 

I don't find it creepy or stalker-like at all. It's not supposed to trigger if you have a romance going with either one of them, so that part is a bug. Also, it's what he's thinking, not something he says. There's a big difference. I would hate for everyone to hear some thoughts I have going on in my head! I'd never be able to watch tv with other people in the house again. Or movies. Especially not Marvel movies.


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Right? I love Cole so much, but I'd be terrified to hang out with him in front of other people. :lol: 



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So it's not supposed to trigger if you're in a romance with Josephine? Seems a bit odd, it's not like that would suddenly mean Blackwall doesn't find her attractive anymore. It'd just make Cole even more at fault in this particular circumstance for invading his privacy like that. A person's thoughts are their own.

 

Like the guy, but...hope he learns some restraint on that particular power. I'd definitely be scared to hang around him.  :blink:



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It's not supposed to trigger if you are romancing Josephine, as Sheryl said a few pages back.  It's bugged, apparently.

 

Also, Blackwall tells Cole not to tell him what Josephine thinks, so there is a respect for boundary there.  That's something a stalker doesn't have.


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Yes Sheryl has said that's the case.  They'd made pains to make sure that didn't happen.

 

LOL if Cole hung around me I'd be in a sh*t load of trouble.  :lol:


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It's not supposed to trigger if you are romancing Josephine, as Sheryl said a few pages back.  It's bugged, apparently.

 

Also, Blackwall tells Cole not to tell him what Josephine thinks, so there is a respect for boundary there.  That's something a stalker doesn't have.

 

Weirdly Cole says "You should." So maybe Josephine may like Blackwall? Still good on him declining Cole's offer.



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No, it isn't.  I've been stalked before (something that has required intervention) and he is not stalking her.  Stop confusing it because it's not funny.

I'm not confusing anything. We just have different definitions of the term. He fits mine. 

 

I so disagree. I've had stalkery types before, so I can understand how Blackwall's level of intensity coupled with that dialogue might make people feel uncomfortable. But I honestly think if you take out the "Cole speak" (making it all breathy and weirdly rhythmic), it's just a dude thinking about an attractive woman. Which is human. 

He is thinking literally what she feels and looks like naked. Thinking about someone you like, fine. Thinking of someone you like in that way without being a couple first, not fine. 

 

Just goddamn stop. Despite your denials you are sh*t posting. 

 

Getting mighty pissed right about now .  Bring it up again and I'll be talking to a mod.

Go right ahead. I haven't broken a single Site Rule and I am allowed to express my opinion just as much as you are. 



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So it's not supposed to trigger if you're in a romance with Josephine? Seems a bit odd, it's not like that would suddenly mean Blackwall doesn't find her attractive anymore. It'd just make Cole even more at fault in this particular circumstance for invading his privacy like that. A person's thoughts are their own.

Like the guy, but...hope he learns some restraint on that particular power. I'd definitely be scared to hang around him. :blink:


Well, I think that's probably a meta reason. A Josiemancer would want to have a interactive dialogue there, I'd imagine, and a Blackwallmancer...well, my Cadash would probably be like I KNOW RIGHT SHES HOT but uh, I don't think many people would enjoy it. Like I get what you're saying, but I think its best they didn't. :lol: (or at least tried not to, bugs notwithstanding)

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Cole: Golden, graceful, glittering, but not gaudy. Voice delicate and delectable.

 

BW: What are you talking about, Cole?

 

Cole: Sweet, soft, and silky. Her dress, and also under her dress...are you going to talk to Josephine?

 

BW: Maker's balls. Get out of my mind would you? You make me sound like a dirty old bastard.

 

Wait, THIS was what all the fuss was over? Seriously?

 

I'm just going to point out that if the potential LIs don't hook up with the Inquisitor, they can hook up with other people in the Inquisition - just like Iron Bull and Dorian enter into a relationship if your Inquisitor doesn't romance either one of them. Umm, so what if a guy finds a woman attractive but hasn't actually worked up the nerve to take action and ask her out or talk to her?

 

It's hardly his fault that Cole tends to find out all the embarrassing things floating around in everyone's heads. So to the people claiming that Blackwall is terrible for this (and seriously, I'm 99% sure that grappling with the whole murder issue is more important here), well, hey, I ogled Cullen and am curious about what's under his armor - I must be a bad, bad woman for having that thought ricocheting around in my head after seeing Mr. Hot Young Ex-Templar in the game!

 

*sarcasm to the infinite power*


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#8046
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I'm not confusing anything. We just have different definitions of the term. He fits mine. 

 

He is thinking literally what she feels and looks like naked. Thinking about someone you like, fine. Thinking of someone you like in that way without being a couple first, not fine. 

 

Go right ahead. I haven't broken a single Site Rule and I am allowed to express my opinion just as much as you are. 

 

No, you don't respect what stalking actually is.  And this is an uncomfortable topic, so I'm asking you to stop.


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I guess my your definition then Kallen, I've been a stalker in my life. And since I have actually been stalked by a person who sexually assaulted me, I don't appreciate being lumped into that definition. But to each their own, I guess. Now that I know that's how you're applying the label, I don't have any confusion about what you mean at least.
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I'm not confusing anything. We just have different definitions of the term. He fits mine. 

 

He is thinking literally what she feels and looks like naked. Thinking about someone you like, fine. Thinking of someone you like in that way without being a couple first, not fine. 

 

Go right ahead. I haven't broken a single Site Rule and I am allowed to express my opinion just as much as you are. 

 

Ehm, that's completely normal? That's something that most people do, whether they want to or not. 


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He is thinking literally what she feels and looks like naked. Thinking about someone you like, fine. Thinking of someone you like in that way without being a couple first, not fine.  

 

I'm pretty sure this would make a huge chunk of the human race stalkers by your definition, then. Even if they don't admit it. Which is kind of the point - they're thoughts. He's attracted to somebody, his mind drifts. That's kind of just the human brain at work. Nobody was supposed to know that, and he clearly didn't have any intentions of acting on it. 

 

Ugh. Seriously, ugh. 


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Well, I think that's probably a meta reason. A Josiemancer would want to have a interactive dialogue there, I'd imagine, and a Blackwallmancer...well, my Cadash would probably be like I KNOW RIGHT SHES HOT but uh, I don't think many people would enjoy it. Like I get what you're saying, but I think its best they didn't. :lol: (or at least tried not to, bugs notwithstanding)

 

I thought the term was Wall-climbers :P