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Don't think there's any way of knowing, but I reckon he would have been less willing to leave Ferelden to its fate if he was. 

 

'Blackwall' definitely doesn't sound Orlesian to me, though. 

 

...now that I think about it, if you ever address Blackwall as Blackwall in the company of the Orlesian Wardens...wouldn't there be some chance that at least one senior Warden is going to raise an eyebrow? Huh. 

 

I thought something would happen with this too! But I didn't see anything.

 

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#8077
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Do all of the banters about Blackwall and Josie happen even when you're romancing him? I'm planning to romance him my next playthrough, and I was wondering, because it's kinda awkward. It seems like it goes a little far for being mentioned when your Inquisitor is in a romance with him.

 

 

I'm not going to touch the drama over his thoughts. Honestly, Cole gives insight into all characters. I'm surprised he doesn't mention more people perving on others. :lol:



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Do all of the banters about Blackwall and Josie happen even when you're romancing him? I'm planning to romance him my next playthrough, and I was wondering, because it's kinda awkward. It seems like it goes a little far for being mentioned when your Inquisitor is in a romance with him.

 

 

I'm not going to touch the drama over his thoughts. Honestly, Cole gives insight into all characters. I'm surprised he doesn't mention more people perving on others. :lol:

 

If you are romancing one or the other, the banters are not supposed to happen. They didn't happen to me on my Blackwall romance. I've only heard them through quotes or by listening to the banters on youtube.

 

But, there is a bug where they occur even when you are in a romance. It seems like it happens more often if you're in a romance with Josephine, but that just might be because I've heard more people talking about it from that perspective.

 

edit: However, I did get a clue they might lean that way when I asked Blackwall what he thought of Josie, and he was very complementary. Not overly so, but just enough that it made me think that on a non-romanced playthrough they might get some banter, similiar to characters in DA2.


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Do all of the banters about Blackwall and Josie happen even when you're romancing him? I'm planning to romance him my next playthrough, and I was wondering, because it's kinda awkward. It seems like it goes a little far for being mentioned when your Inquisitor is in a romance with him.

 

 

I'm not going to touch the drama over his thoughts. Honestly, Cole gives insight into all characters. I'm surprised he doesn't mention more people perving on others. :lol:

 

Sheryl Chee said that the Josie-related banter is not supposed to trigger if Blackwall is in a romance with the Inquisitor, but it seems to be bugged for now, so you may end up hearing it anyway. I haven't heard it, but if I do, I'll probably just have a laugh and then have my mage zap Blackwall with lightning - but just a little lightning.


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So, quick question, guys... Does Blackwall leave you in the Hit It and Quit It Scene no matter what, and then comes back, or is there a chance of him leaving forever?



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Do all of the banters about Blackwall and Josie happen even when you're romancing him? I'm planning to romance him my next playthrough, and I was wondering, because it's kinda awkward. It seems like it goes a little far for being mentioned when your Inquisitor is in a romance with him.


I'm not going to touch the drama over his thoughts. Honestly, Cole gives insight into all characters. I'm surprised he doesn't mention more people perving on others. :lol:


The writer Sheryl came in and said it was a bug that wasnt supposed to happen.

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If you are romancing one or the other, the banters are not supposed to happen. They didn't happen to me on my Blackwall romance. I've only heard them through quotes or by listening to the banters on youtube.

 

But, there is a bug where they occur even when you are in a romance. It seems like it happens more often if you're in a romance with Josephine, but that just might be because I've heard more people talking about it from that perspective.

That's reassuring. I've been looking forward to his romance. His flirts are great. I really enjoyed the few I've seen.

 

He kinda ninja-romanced my Trevelyan, and I had to run back to an earlier save. I was romancing Cullen. Then I had the conversation post-skyhold with Blackwall where he kinda dumps you. Then suddenly I decided I needed to make a character to romance him. :lol:



#8083
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So, quick question, guys... Does Blackwall leave you in the Hit It and Quit It Scene no matter what, and then comes back, or is there a chance of him leaving forever?


Depending on the choices when you find him, he can either come back or enjoy his stay where you found him.

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So, quick question, guys... Does Blackwall leave you in the Hit It and Quit It Scene no matter what, and then comes back, or is there a chance of him leaving forever?

 

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#8085
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Blackwall is a very bad man, he needs to be put down ... identity theft is bad!!! And trying to be a Grey Warden Wannabe is much worse.



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So, quick question, guys... Does Blackwall leave you in the Hit It and Quit It Scene no matter what, and then comes back, or is there a chance of him leaving forever?

 

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#8087
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After his judgment I wouldn't exactly call their relationship a secret! ;)

 

"Thank you dear for freeing me. Now let's make out in front of everyone!"

 

Ooooh I never saw that kissing scence because I'm playing as an male dwarf.  :D 

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That honestly doesn't sound that bad. How dare he be sexually attracted to someone?

I think what really matters is what he does and says to others. We're already discussing his (nonrelated) crimes, but this banter is not really indicative of anything aside from him finding Josephine attractive. Is this the only one?

 

But if you add that to what Vivi says later about him creeping about is just odd. Really really odd.

 

@2:51 - 3:43


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my experience which is similar to what is in the game 

I'm betting it didn't involve a software bug causing a mind-reading spirit to reveal things that no one would ever have known otherwise.  (Please note that I'm not in the least asking you to tell me what it did involve, as that's a very personal matter and not suitable for this topic.)

 

Either you can choose to hold his sins over him forever if it suits your worldview, or you move past it based on your experiences with him.

This is pretty much my conclusion after reading the many pages of debate that followed Kallen's original post.  
 
Kallen, your posts have made it clear that we can't change your views about Blackwall, unless you're willing to reconsider your views about redemption, and you don't seem to be.  Either you think that people who do terrible things can realise the awful things they've done and become better people by making genuine efforts to atone (in which case the Blackwall of today, not the Rainier of the past, has a chance), or you think that once a person is tainted by evil, they're tainted forever, and no good thing that they do thereafter can redeem them even slightly (in which case he'll never be anything but garbage).  
 
It's really up to you to decide what to think.  All I can say is that I'm not so perfect that I'd want to live in a world where redemption was impossible.

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But if you add that to what Vivi says later about him creeping about is just odd. Really really odd.
 

 

I'm pretty sure she's exaggerating just to get under his skin. Vivienne isn't exactly his biggest fan. 


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But if you add that to what Vivi says later about him creeping about is just odd. Really really odd.
*snip*

 

Seeing as Vivienne despises the guy for whatever reason from the get-go, I'd take that with a grain of salt.

 

EDIT: Yeah...ninja'd.


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#8093
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I'm pretty sure she's exaggerating just to get under his skin. Vivienne isn't exactly his biggest fan. 

Seriously.  I liked Vivienne a lot overall, but I genuinely hated most of the things she said to Blackwall.  It's one thing to be angry at him after the revelation, as many companions are, but she just seems needlessly bitchy to him from the very start.


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I'm pretty sure she's exaggerating just to get under his skin. Vivienne isn't exactly his biggest fan. 

 

Yeah I don't doubt she's exaggerating but at the same time there feels like yes there's some truth there.

 

(That said yeah Vivi is hilariously b***hy to him.)



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Seeing as Vivienne despises the guy for whatever reason from the get-go, I'd take that with a grain of salt.

 

EDIT: Yeah...ninja'd.

 

Vivienne strikes me as Flemeth in the manner of it's best to hurt someone with the truth. (Or something similar to the truth at least).



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#8097
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Yeah I don't doubt she's exaggerating but at the same time there feels like yes there's some truth there.

The thing is, she could well be exaggering by a truly massive amount, not just a bit.  Given how adeptly she can use words to skewer others, making even the tiniest social misstep look like a national disaster, whatever she noticed could well have been almost nothing.



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I believe that's correct.  

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#8099
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Yeah I don't doubt she's exaggerating but at the same time there feels like yes there's some truth there.

 

(That said yeah Vivi is hilariously b***hy to him.)

 

I find it kind of weird that she seems to know where he is all the time, lol

 

She's the only one who seems to think that he's stalking, and quite a few of the companions (including Varric) comment.



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This is correct.