That is so true! The hero who gets everything right is boring to me, I prefer the ones who have at least some grey in them.
Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]
#8301
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 05:39
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#8302
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 05:39
How does it imply the you in that sentence is plural?
What's the art? Or is it a surprise?
It's plural because Sera's talking about what they both do together, and reinforces this by calling them both weird.
And the art actually has nothing to do with Dragon Age - it's Petra from Attack on Titan. (Btw, I don't watch much anime, but I do watch enough to like the character you're named after.)
Now this is it until I finish that picture. You really wore away my resolve, but I'll be firm from now on, no matter what else you post!
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#8303
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 05:45
So you felt terrible about it and went back to fix it. Sounds familiar, except some people don't have the option to just reload an earlier save file.
I have to admit, I really don't know how to respond to this. Bravo, Ynqve.
It's plural because Sera's talking about what they both do together, and reinforces this by calling them both weird.
And the art actually has nothing to do with Dragon Age - it's Petra from Attack on Titan. (Btw, I don't watch much anime, but I do watch enough to like the character you're named after.)
Now this is it until I finish that picture. You really wore away my resolve, but I'll be firm from now on, no matter what else you post!
I read it as she saw Blackwall looking through the wall hole. Why would both be looking through wall holes at the same time?
Oh, I love Petra. One of the saddest parts of Season 1. ![]()
Can I see it when you are done, please?
Glad to know you are a Kallen fan as well. ![]()
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#8304
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 05:49
I have to admit, I really don't know how to respond to this. Bravo, Ynqve.
I have my moments! And I'm not doing this just to mess with you, I just wanted to get you thinking.
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#8305
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 06:04
I have to admit, I really don't know how to respond to this. Bravo, Ynqve.
I read it as she saw Blackwall looking through the wall hole. Why would both be looking through wall holes at the same time?
Oh, I love Petra. One of the saddest parts of Season 1.
Can I see it when you are done, please?
Glad to know you are a Kallen fan as well.
It's not a hole in the wall, like a peep hole. Sera meant an opening in the wall and Blackwall corrects her slang by saying, "casement". There are casement windows, and in castles the walls are so thick, that a lot of times there are little breaks in the wall where the window is. Most likely, this little alcove type spot is what is being referred to. They would be standing in it. She also says, "sighing" not looking or staring, and asks if that was it, what they do... like something they both do. But it is open for interpretation, and not really too important. It was just something I thought was cute, in a non-romanced play, mostly because I like when characters like one another, and I love both Blackwall and Josie.
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#8306
Guest_elfadelbosco_*
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 06:48
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Uhm, I see a lot of manichaeism in judging Rainier's actions. Evil is a very strong word and I would'nt use it to define a man who made one single mistake and spent the rest of his life repenting and trying to do all the good he could.
I would call evil someone who chooses a life of crime, someone who routinely kills innocents without the slightest remorse... evil would have been a man who'd let Mornay be executed in his stead and kept hiding behind the disguise of warden Blackwall.
Rainier was a good man who made a mistake and made of it an opportunity to change his life, to become the man he always wanted to be and never had the chance. What he lacked was perhaps determination and he needed a boost to find the courage to change his life, but when the occasion came he seized upon it without flinching. Evil would have been a man who took advantage on the inquisitor's crush on him without caring of being 'the man she deserved' ...
....
oh Blackwall ![]()
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#8307
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 07:55
So... I wrote a little something, not too long. It involves someone meeting someone and something happening, eventually (you know, spoilers) LOL
Thoughts? Critique? Shut up Bugsie we're not reading your crap? ![]()
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#8308
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:12
Well, that was interesting - the Wilfred-related story from Blackwall continues! Or more specifically, it was about how he and the men he was with in the desert got hit by a sudden rainstorm and how dangerous desert rainstorms are vs. desert sandstorms.
#8309
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:15
(That's great!!)
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#8310
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:22
Haaa lol, thanks Veeia!
I just wrote that today in between things, so yeah, I want to write more.
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#8311
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:32
I definitely wouldn't call him evil, but I wouldn't say he was a good man. He was just a man. He probably had good intentions, but he was weak, selfish, and cowardly too... and he gave into that. He lied to everyone, but most painfully, he lied to himself. And he lies to his lover too, in an almost (but not quite) unforgivable way. He's not kind about it either. He snaps at her when she asks questions that come to close to the truth and turns them on her...and there's a lot about his lies that endanger her and the Inquisition...like the false impression they get from him about what the Calling is doing, or the possible diplomatic nightmare if the truth was found out in a different way. And even the way he treats her--trying to leave her without ever letting him know who she is, is selfish.Uhm, I see a lot of manichaeism in judging Rainier's actions. Evil is a very strong word and I would'nt use it to define a man who made one single mistake and spent the rest of his life repenting and trying to do all the good he could.
I would call evil someone who chooses a life of crime, someone who routinely kills innocents without the slightest remorse... evil would have been a man who'd let Mornay be executed in his stead and kept hiding behind the disguise of warden Blackwall.
Rainier was a good man who made a mistake and made of it an opportunity to change his life, to become the man he always wanted to be and never had the chance. What he lacked was perhaps determination and he needed a boost to find the courage to change his life, but when the occasion came he seized upon it without flinching. Evil would have been a man who took advantage on the inquisitor's crush on him without caring of being 'the man she deserved' ...
....
oh Blackwall
Not that I'm trying to be harsh on him. The thing I like about him is that he's so human, so ordinary...and he wants to be something extraordinary, to make up for all his failings. But you can't actually do that. You can't erase the past or turn yourself into this ideal. And you can't really be with someone when you're pretending to be someone you're not. That's what Blackwall gets to learn, and why I like him so much. He sort of has to get over the "good man" vs "bad man" stuff and live with who he is and what he's done. It ties into the larger themes of Inquisition, I think, about the positive role of doubt in faith.
I guess there's a lot I relate to in that. Not that I've ever done anything even remotely like what he did, but. Idk. A lot of it was relatable.
And delicious drama and sexy beard times, of course.
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#8312
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:41
I'd hesitate to call him a 'good man'.
And yeah, all those things Veeia said.
#8313
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 08:59
@Bugsie: Thought it was nice, short vignette. There were a few punctuation issues and typos, but there weren't that many problems overall. I would make sure to change "bought another over" to "brought another over" (am assuming that that's what you actually intended)...oh, and capitalize the "mmph" as well because it's the first word in the sentence. I'm not going to nitpick over the commas too much, but I think a few should be added in here and there.
I'm a book designer and handle a lot of edits and proofreading on top of my primary job of formatting manuscripts, so it's kind of part of my nature to notice these things - heh. If anyone needs a proofreader, I'm willing to help (time permitting) - just keep in mind that I handle things in the American style, not the British style.
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#8314
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:10
Oh for the love of............
I thought this was done?
*Bangs head on desk and leaves*
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#8315
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:22
Oh for the love of............
I thought this was done?
*Bangs head on desk and leaves*
If you are referring to people not liking Rainier because of what he's done in the past, that is never going to go away. That's like hoping an Anders or Loghain thread will not have the "Blew up a Chantry and killed hundreds" or "Was a villain most of the game" topics.
#8316
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:24
If you are referring to people not liking Rainier because of what he's done in the past, that is never going to go away. That's like hoping an Anders or Loghain thread will not have the "Blew up a Chantry and killed hundreds" or "Was a villain most of the game" topics.
Yeesh...I can't even read those threads anymore and I love Anders and Loghain. I would hate to see that happen to Blackwall. Here's to hoping we can keep some nuance in the discussion....if only for a little longer....
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#8317
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:27
Yeesh...I can't even read those threads anymore and I love Anders and Loghain. I would hate to see that happen to Blackwall. Here's to hoping we can keep some nuance in the discussion....if only for a little longer....
I don't think Rainier threads will get as bad since unlike Anders and Loghain what Rainier did we did not witness and did not affect our character personally, other than Rainier lying about who he is for most of the game.
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#8318
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:30
Thanks for that, yes feedback much appreciated! And would love to have someone go over anything I've written. I have written some ff in the past and had beta readers before, and yeah this was just a roughie, with a seed of an idea that I was compelled to get down ASAP before it left my brain. I wouldn't likely publish this as is on Ao3 or ff.net until it had a thorough going over. I'd likely only make it a short due to other work family commitments but damn, if it isn't exciting being inspired by something again!@Bugsie: Thought it was nice, short vignette. There were a few punctuation issues and typos, but there weren't that many problems overall. I would make sure to change "bought another over" to "brought another over" (am assuming that that's what you actually intended)...oh, and capitalize the "mmph" as well because it's the first word in the sentence. I'm not going to nitpick over the commas too much, but I think a few should be added in here and there.
I'm a book designer and handle a lot of edits and proofreading on top of my primary job of formatting manuscripts, so it's kind of part of my nature to notice these things - heh. If anyone needs a proofreader, I'm willing to help (time permitting) - just keep in mind that I handle things in the American style, not the British style.
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#8319
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:38
Thom Rainier should have bathed in the children's blood and eaten their hearts.
#8320
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:53
Thanks for that, yes feedback much appreciated! And would love to have someone go over anything I've written. I have written some ff in the past and had beta readers before, and yeah this was just a roughie, with a seed of an idea that I was compelled to get down ASAP before it left my brain. I wouldn't likely publish this as is on Ao3 or ff.net until it had a thorough going over. I'd likely only make it a short due to other work family commitments but damn, if it isn't exciting being inspired by something again!
I think it's a good start, so do keep going! And don't mind me and my editorial tics - I really just can't help it at this point, hehe.
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#8321
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 09:53
...I live near Mt. Rainer, I'm not gonna look at it the same way now. THANKS SHERYL.
(better than Cullen randomly having the same last name as my ex! That was a hilarious surprise)
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#8322
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 10:12
Climb dat mountain Veeia!
Thom Rainier should have bathed in the children's blood and eaten their hearts.
Spoiler
Now that is evil.

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#8323
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 10:56
Anyone know if you get race-specific dialogue with him beyond the initial "I thought you'd be human" line? I'm thinking of rolling a dwarf for more flavor.
#8324
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 12:09
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#8325
Guest_elfadelbosco_*
Posté 06 décembre 2014 - 12:30
Guest_elfadelbosco_*
I definitely wouldn't call him evil, but I wouldn't say he was a good man. He was just a man. He probably had good intentions, but he was weak, selfish, and cowardly too... and he gave into that. He lied to everyone, but most painfully, he lied to himself. And he lies to his lover too, in an almost (but not quite) unforgivable way. He's not kind about it either. He snaps at her when she asks questions that come to close to the truth and turns them on her...and there's a lot about his lies that endanger her and the Inquisition...like the false impression they get from him about what the Calling is doing, or the possible diplomatic nightmare if the truth was found out in a different way. And even the way he treats her--trying to leave her without ever letting him know who she is, is selfish.
Not that I'm trying to be harsh on him. The thing I like about him is that he's so human, so ordinary...and he wants to be something extraordinary, to make up for all his failings. But you can't actually do that. You can't erase the past or turn yourself into this ideal. And you can't really be with someone when you're pretending to be someone you're not. That's what Blackwall gets to learn, and why I like him so much. He sort of has to get over the "good man" vs "bad man" stuff and live with who he is and what he's done. It ties into the larger themes of Inquisition, I think, about the positive role of doubt in faith.
I guess there's a lot I relate to in that. Not that I've ever done anything even remotely like what he did, but. Idk. A lot of it was relatable.
And delicious drama and sexy beard times, of course.
Well, it depends on what you intend with the term 'good man' ![]()
Giving for granted that no man is a superhero and everyone has flaws and guilts, I believe that what makes a man a good man, and in hard times even a hero, is the will to improve learning from mistakes and the will to sacrifice his own life and/or happiness to a great cause. Rainier/Blackwall does both things and this makes him a good man, and a hero. Let's also analyze his 'big mistake': He was a military captain working for Orlesian nobility who got payed good money to make a move in a Gran Game he wasn't even playing, and he did it. I wonder what would have been the consequences for his career if he refused.
About the lies and his endangering the Inquisition, I think that being recruited by the Inquisitor is something that happened to him all of sudden and without warning, he didn't have the time nor the chance to tell the truth, and then it was perhaps too late. He was recruited for what he was supposed to be and he was honored to help in a cause he believed in, so what was the use of telling the truth? Anyway when Mornay was captured his conscience could not bear the injustice of a man hanged in his stand and he didn't hesitate to give himself to justice, ready to pay for his mistakes. This makes of him not only a good man but a great one imho.
I don't think he's ordinary at all, every man is quite ordinary until life doesn't put one to test. Every hero would have been an ordinary man -or woman- in ordinary times, even our wardens would have become just a Teyrn's younger bro/sis, or another mage in the Circle, or just another city elf whose talents would have been wasted in a life of servitude and poverty.
Actually I do believe that a man's past CAN be erased, that's exactly what happens when you join the Grey Wardens and that's exactly what he wanted and needed to do. In the end if the real Blackwall wouldn't have died Rainier would have become a Grey Warden and his past wouldn't have mattered anymore even to us, but the mere fact that he never had the chance to have his Joining makes of him a liar and someone who hides behind a disguise. It was an unfortunate(?) course of events if he never joined the Order in an 'official' way but that's the life he had chosen and that he decided to live despite everything.
I don't think he's ordinary at all, an ordinary man would have persisted in making money serving orlesian nobility and would have managed to avoid the gallows in dishonest ways.
We agree o the sexy beard ;D





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