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[Ynqve]

Definitely worth reading, thanks for posting it here

I have to agree with most of what that comment says. Not all, but yes, that's pretty much it.

Except that - haven't read The Stolen Throne so correct me if I'm wrong - without Loghain there would have been no Ferelden to speak of. And even after all he did, that's not something that can be forgotten all that simply.

 

And not to make this post about Loghain, since it's a Blackwall thread:

Spoiler

Blackwall is kind of like Loghain reversed - or the other way round. Two sides of the same question: how to judge a hero turned traitor/villain, and how to judge a criminal who became a hero out of remorse.

 

Pretty much. There's a reason why Loghain got away with what he did for so long. And you should read the Stolen Throne, it's a good read! I can never kill Loghain after reading it, he's too badass to be executed. 

 

And I agree completely about the things under the spoiler tag.

[Bazylia]

I wouldn't call Rainier a criminal...

Spoiler

Okay, a murderer, then. Semantics He commited a crime, after all.

About Rainier letting himself be dragged into the Game... Maybe he wasn't evil, but he wasn't good either. And there are no excuses for what he did.

But in the end he found it in himself to become a good man. Taking into account what he did while serving the Inquisition, I'd even call him a hero. And that transformation is remarkable. I agree with everything you've said about resolve being his greatest achievement.

 

As a player, when I come across a story like theirs, it makes me think, then come to one or another conclusion."Judge" wasn't the best word in that context, but the first that came to my mind. Still, from the PC's point of view, it fits.

Spoiler

The PC literally gets to judge Loghain, same with Rainier.

 

 

Pretty much. There's a reason why Loghain got away with what he did for so long. And you should read the Stolen Throne, it's a good read! I can never kill Loghain after reading it, he's too badass to be executed.

Reading The Calling has cured me of wanting to read any more Dragon Age books... But maybe I'll try, someday.

[Ynqve]

Reading The Calling has cured me of wanting to read any more Dragon Age books... But maybe I'll try, someday.

 

You're missing out. Asunder and The Masked Empire are great!

[Thane4Ever]

Finished the game.  Big fan of the Blackwell romance, playing as a female elf, really got to me.  But on the first try during the judgement in Revelations, I panicked because I didn't want to lose him so I chose the option to keep him working for me at the Inquisition.  For some reason it looked like the other options would cause him to leave immediately.  To my absolute HORROR he was upset, and then when I tried to talk to him in the stables he said "We're not friends, and we never will be" and his VA was super nasty.  I can't believe I was so affected by a game.  I immediately reloaded and chose his freedom and continued the romance.   I did think it was a bit weird that he could flip on a dime like that without any dialogue like "How could you do this to me? I loved you" or something to that effect.  It was just BOOM - instant romance ending.  Also I don't think there was any warning that selection would end the romance, but maybe I missed it and in retrospect it was obvious.  Anyone else experience this?

 

I also agree with the other comments that the romances need more scenes in such a huge game. Not just sex, but anything involving the relationship.  I would love to see on a future DLC or game something where your LI surprises you in your quarters or something randomly, or you could initiate "sexy times" or other interactions other than a kiss like Sims. Not gonna lie, I was pretty disappointed that Blackwell is the only character that doesn't get nekkid, at least show me some pecs! 

[Basement Cat]

@Elfadelbosco

 

To add to your point: refusing the order could very well have ended Blackwall's life. You think a noble sending someone to eliminate another noble would balk at having 'someone who knows too much' removed? Self preservation could well have played a role in his decision to carry out the order.

[Scuttlebutt101]

Looks like I'm the smallest here - I'm 21 *sucks on a pacifier*. My Inquisitor is around 23-25 - still pretty young, but old enough to be taken seriously as a leader. Come to think of it, if you make Alistair king in Origins, he's like what, 20? And no one bats an eye (him being a bastard seemed to be the only issue). I like playing as a very young protagonist in DA:O and DA:I, my Tabris and Mahariel were around 19. I like the idea of someone who just entered adulthood being thrown into the midst of chaos and having the burden of saving the world suddenly loaded onto their shoulders.

 

I see no problem with romancing Blackwall with a twenty-something y/o Inquisitor, but I'm a sucker for may-december romance. I got the vibe that a person around the age of 18-19 is seen as full adult in Thedas. Young and inexperienced, sure, but not a child anymore. That said, Blackwall with an eighteen year old would definitely be too much, imo.

 

I've spoiled myself enough about Blackwall's storyline to know that some twist was coming, but I was still genuinely shocked when I found out exactly what it was, even though I predicted something similar. That prison scene was just... Kudos to Sheryl for making me want to slap him and give him a hug at the same time. The only other DA character who made me feel this way was Alistair when I chose to spare Loghain (for science). I absolutely love his character and his romance. Of course I forgave the stupid bastard and continued the relationship, but I agree that it seemed a bit too soon. It would be interesting to have the Inquisitor gradually and tentatively accept him back in her life, but relationship dramaz isn't the focus of DAI, so I'm fine with what we have. 

 

Somewhat unrelated slight near-endgame spoilers

 

Spoiler

Has anyone taken him along to the Temple of Mythal and drank from the Well of Sorrows? His romance-specific lines are incredibly sweet.

Modifié par Scuttlebutt101, 07 décembre 2014 - 05:59 .

[veeia]

Thane4Ever, doesn't that dialogue option say that he becomes your servant or whatever? "I own you"?

That's pretty horrifying you experienced that though! Thank god for reloads, haha/

[AtreiyaN7]

Finished the game. Big fan of the Blackwell romance, playing as a female elf, really got to me. But on the first try during the judgement in Revelations, I panicked because I didn't want to lose him so I chose the option to keep him working for me at the Inquisition. For some reason it looked like the other options would cause him to leave immediately. To my absolute HORROR he was upset, and then when I tried to talk to him in the stables he said "We're not friends, and we never will be" and his VA was super nasty. I can't believe I was so affected by a game. I immediately reloaded and chose his freedom and continued the romance. I did think it was a bit weird that he could flip on a dime like that without any dialogue like "How could you do this to me? I loved you" or something to that effect. It was just BOOM - instant romance ending. Also I don't think there was any warning that selection would end the romance, but maybe I missed it and in retrospect it was obvious. Anyone else experience this?

I also agree with the other comments that the romances need more scenes in such a huge game. Not just sex, but anything involving the relationship. I would love to see on a future DLC or game something where your LI surprises you in your quarters or something randomly, or you could initiate "sexy times" or other interactions other than a kiss like Sims. Not gonna lie, I was pretty disappointed that Blackwell is the only character that doesn't get nekkid, at least show me some pecs!

Yeah, it's all a bit sudden - wish they could have done a bit more content-wise. And while you can kind of snark at him a teensy bit when asking about the Wardens, it's not like you get to have a lengthy discussion about it. I will also second the idea of our LIs showing up for a booty call and/or just moving into the Quizzy's private quarters at long, long last. They kind of had that in ME2, but dear God, if they do anything like that, I hope it's way less awkward...

As for him not going "How could you do this to me?" and so forth if you end things (accidentally or on purpose):

Spoiler

You kind of get that reaction if you pick the "I never loved you." option when talking to him in prison. During the judgment, he'll be like "I refuse to believe that what we had wasn't real." Someone else mentioned it a while back, and I tried it out later on for the I'm-so-ticked-off-at-you-right-now vibe.

Although he, alas, never shows skin in the game, well, at least we get the sexy romance tarot card. That is as close as we'll ever get to seeing his obviously well-muscled physique. *sigh* Oh, and as for that near-endgame spoiler that Scuttlebutt101 mentioned (don't read if not there)...

Spoiler

Yep, totally took him with me to the Well, and yes, it was sweet! Blackwall!

[veeia]

Oh no, now that I know he says that I want to romance him with a less forgiving Dalish elf and see how it goes NOOOOO I need to see the other romances first, gah! So much content! So much beard! ...glad that my current PT is male, let's just say that. Can't be tempted.  

[Basement Cat]

Oh no, now that I know he says that I want to romance him with a less forgiving Dalish elf and see how it goes NOOOOO I need to see the other romances first, gah! So much content! So much beard! ...glad that my current PT is male, let's just say that. Can't be tempted.

Could be tempted by the Bull, maybe?

I just had a funny glitch back in Haven. Chancellor Roderick is confronting Cullen outside the Chantry and he slid forward into Cullen then slid back. It looked like Cullen bounced him of his chest. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yep, agree, a criminal is imho someone who chooses a life of crime and makes a living out of it. 

Well, then he is a criminal since he has made a life out of committing a crime, that crime being an identity thief.

[Jaison1986]

I think he is still an criminal even if he just commited one crime. I mean, isn't the context of criminal being an person that commits crimes? As for Blackwall himself, I believe in redemption, but I also believe it has to be earned. Blackwall in my view deserved redemption, just like Loghain and Sten did. Their resolve to achieve it was genuine. Why should I deny them an chance to serve the greater good?

[Bazylia]

Well, then he is a criminal since he has made a life out of committing a crime, that crime being an identity thief.

I don't think the real Blackwall would've actually minded that...

 

 

Same here, I wish there were many more dialogues with the person my inquisitor chose as her life-mate...

Oh, well, that's what fanfiction is for

 

 

By the way, any ideas where to find some good Blackwall fanfiction, AO3 and ff.net aside? _{Don't have the game yet, can't play, and let me tell you, the waiting is a nightmare XD}

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think the real Blackwall would've actually minded that...

The dead don't tend to mind things, along with any other mental function.

However Rainier assuming the name has meant that an honorable man(according to Rainier) never even gets a proper burial(we see the bones laying out on the ground in the quest to get the badge) or those who are his friends, family, and/or allies don't get to ever know what happened to him and mourn him properly. 

[Ynqve]

The dead don't tend to mind things, along with any other mental function.

However Rainier assuming the name has meant that an honorable man(according to Rainier) never even gets a proper burial(we see the bones laying out on the ground in the quest to get the badge) or those who are his friends, family, and/or allies don't get to ever know what happened to him and mourn him properly. 

 

Can we not get into this discussion again? We get it, you loath him. You've made that point several times these last few days. Unless you have something new to add, can we please stop beating on the dead horse? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can we not get into this discussion again? We get it, you loath him. You've made that point several times these last few days. Unless you have something new to add, can we please stop beating on the dead horse? 

Yet people can repeatedly say how much they love him and how they forgive him, which is also adding nothing new.

 

But fine, something new. Since you brought up beating a dead horse, let's talk about that poor dog that was abused and killed while he just watched. 

[high derp elf]

'( ☻ ω ☻ ) he reminds me so much of Blackwall 

 

[raging_monkey]

Yet people can repeatedly say how much they love him and how they forgive him, which is also adding nothing new.
 
But fine, something new. Since you brought up beating a dead horse, let's talk about that poor dog that was abused and killed while he just watched.

most people panic when they see a horrific sight like that add to him being a kid and outnumbered it was the logical(to some a cowardly) choice.

[Thane4Ever]

Thane4Ever, doesn't that dialogue option say that he becomes your servant or whatever? "I own you"?

That's pretty horrifying you experienced that though! Thank god for reloads, haha/

Yeah, I think it did, but for some reason I was thinking "he won't mind that because he loves me and he knows I'll protect him".  And it was also one of those choices that came out way harsher than I thought once she started talking.   Like I said I wasn't thinking rationally, I seriously thought the other options would have him leave the game, and I don't like spoiling myself on these type of games. And yes, what would we do without reloads?

[Ynqve]

Yet people can repeatedly say how much they love him and how they forgive him, which is also adding nothing new.

 

But fine, something new. Since you brought up beating a dead horse, let's talk about that poor dog that was abused and killed while he just watched. 

 

I think there's a difference between talking about a character that you like and just bashing a character that you hate.

 

You don't see me in the Vivienne thread screaming about how every time she opens her mouth she makes me want to sing the Internationale in protest to her snobbery and elitism. 

[Thane4Ever]

I think I missed the dog torturing dialogue - when was that?  I might have been busy mooning over him.