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Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]


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#8601
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...You are blaming the Inquisitor for being trusting of a guy who is open to her advances? Are you kidding me...?

 

Good God, the denial is strong here.

You know you are talking to someone who utterly hates Rainier, right?

But from what we see in the game, mainly him actually trying to push the Inquisitor away when they start getting too close, Rainier does not fit the criteria for the crime you are accusing him of. 

 

 

Yup, I feel like I was way to hard on you now! xD

 

I don't even know how to begin to deal with this. Oh no wait, I think I do:

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I know. 

I mean, I'm defending Rainier. 

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What's the next heinous crime we're going to accuse Blackwall of? Thievery? Writing rude words in bathroom stalls with permanent marker? Talking in the movie theater? Lollygagging?  :wacko:


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#8603
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Does even Warden Shroud recognize him as a warden when you meet him? Cause i never took him with me in to meet Hawke and Shroud.



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What's the next heinous crime we're going to accuse Blackwall of? Thievery? Writing rude words in bathroom stalls with permanent marker? Lollygagging?  :wacko:

 

Stealing your sweet-rolls :P


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You know you are talking to someone who utterly hates Rainier, right?

But from what we see in the game, mainly him actually trying to push the Inquisitor away when they start getting too close, Rainier does not fit the criteria for the crime you are accusing him of. 

 

 

I know. 

I mean, I'm defending Rainier. 

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It's like we've entered some twisted alternate dimension where everything is just wrong!


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Except by this point Thom Rainier and Blackwall may as well be the same person. Other than the crime he commited. Thom Rainier was a completely changed man by the time you meet him. 

 

I like your point here, but he is not a changed man when you meet him, or he would have been honest with you. Him running from his past is a cowardly thing to do, and he stopped much, much later because of the Inquisitor. Or so he says.

 

I get all of you really like Blackwall and you don't want to think of him this way. Trust me. I don't want to either, because I like him and the idea behind his character, but I do think his romance could have been much better if he gave it to you straight, and then let you decide, from there, where you wanted your relationship to go. It would have been much more meaningful than the incessant denial and secretive maneuvering the entire time while my Inquisitor is made out to feel like a complete idiot. At least consider what I'm saying, though. Consider what he did in order to get to your heart.

 

That is why I feel like the option to push him away really had no weight, because I could have pushed him away for killing a cat or peeing on someone's rose bush, and I'd have no way of knowing. Little did I know. Anyway, clearly no one is seeing my POV here, so I appreciate the discussion and I am turning in for the night. 



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He didn't say ok. Now you're just making **** up. 

 

I said he "basically" says OK. Out of all the romance options, Blackwall is the most easy going. 



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What's the next heinous crime we're going to accuse Blackwall of? Thievery? Writing rude words in bathroom stalls with permanent marker? Talking in the movie theater? Lollygagging?  :wacko:

Well if Veeia has anything to do with it - he'll be committing a crime against fashion!
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You know you are talking to someone who utterly hates Rainier, right?

But from what we see in the game, mainly him actually trying to push the Inquisitor away when they start getting too close, Rainier does not fit the criteria for the crime you are accusing him of. 

 

OK. Well, if a friend ever comes to you and tells you she was deceived by a dude who lied about his entire life, try not to blame her for pursuing the guy he assures her over and over he says he is. That's victim blaming.



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Megamanda, I do see your point. What he did was pretty deceptive and unfair to Quizzie. The problem is that he was also pretty dramatically upfront with the fact that there was something going on. I knew going into the romance that there was going to be some messed up stuff, because emotionally healthy and honest people don't act like he did in the lock in scene. And a Quizzie who wasn't prepared to deal with that had the option of sending him away. Instead, a Quizzie who romances Blackwall is pretty unconcerned with whatever is making him all angsty. I could see how that would bother you, not having the option to investigate further before crap hits the fan? But the way the romance plays out does not, I think, on his part have consent issues.
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#8611
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What's the next heinous crime we're going to accuse Blackwall of? Thievery? Writing rude words in bathroom stalls with permanent marker? Talking in the movie theater? Lollygagging?  :wacko:

Stealing your sweet-rolls :P

Making people nervous by shouting.

 

It's like we've entered some twisted alternate dimension where everything is just wrong!

So this is what the Envy Demon's world is like. Where's Cole when I need him?

 

OK. Well, if a friend ever comes to you and tells you she was deceived by a dude who lied about his entire life, try not to blame her for pursuing the guy he assures her over and over he says he is. That's victim blaming.

Oh, I agree it is a scumbag thing to do, especially if they leave after having sex like Rainier does, and I would never blame her(or him if the victim is male since men can be victims too). I just disagree with it being a form of rape. Especially if my friend kept pushing for a relationship even though the liar didn't want it like the Inquisitor does Rainier. 


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Let's face it, he's absolutely friggin' criminal.

Look at the criminality.... Looooook!
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It's like we've entered some twisted alternate dimension where everything is just wrong!

 

I'm going to have to go check to see a unicorn has suddenly materialized in my room now.

 

P.S. I hope there is no unicorn - they probably poop all over the place just like their real-world equine brethren.

 

BELATED EDIT: *ogles pic bugsie lnked* Maybe I should be hoping that that shows up in my room - unicorns, BEGONE!


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You are aware the whole reason we choose to pursue Blackwall is because we think he his Blackwall. I mean, unless you knew he was an awful person putting money above human life the whole time and still wanted to bang him.

 

This is key. It does not matter how many times he tried to push the Inquisitor away, because we never know why he is pushing her away. For all I know, he could have seen something really bad fighting heroically as a Grey Warden and it left him unable to express himself fully. We never know the extent of his crime. We never know his real name. We never know who he actually was or what he actually accomplished. We think he is who he says he is, and he never says otherwise until after you have sex with him. You fall in love and have sex with the man whose persona he adopted, not Thom Rainier. I would never have slept with Thom Rainier. 

 

Yes I am, and also Blackwall/Rainier is well aware too. Putting it frankly- all I see at this point is just a large amount of wounded ego hidden behind false morality.

I -not my Inquisitor, but I- was totally in love with what I thought Blackwall was, i.e. a romanceable Duncan. I howled at the moon for about two days in deep frustration after the revelations quest and in the end I felt I admired him even more for the man he really is, and realized I still loved him.

 

About all the 'put money above human life' and 'he did nothing to save the puppy' I take the freedom to laugh loudly. We are playing a game in which we constantly kill a lot of people, not just monsters, but also people, but hey, they are very bad people and then they are surrrounded by a red circle so they are enemies :D

And no, don't tell me they attack you first because a lot of times I encountered bandits and such and kept at a distance, they ignored me such as dragons do. In my first and only run (still have to finish it) I have killed only one dragon and you know why? Because they don't attack me and they are magnificent, I just killed the one in the western approach because she attacked and I wanted to try my party at it.

I also never killed a druffalo in order to complete a quests because they are huge peaceful plushies but I bet I'm rather alone in this.

 

As I have already written Rainier accepted a dirty job but he was just the weapon, not the brain behind the kill, and if he refused to do it Orlesian nobility wouldn't have stopped their Grand Game and the noble he was sent to kill would have died by the hand of another mercenary. Did you keep Zevran in your party in DAO? He killed people in cold blood repeatedly and without remorse, he was an assassin, and Leliana keeps slitting throats in front of me and there's nothing I can do to avoid it. Oh and also Leliana LIED about her identity in DAO, she's not at all a lay sister of the Chantry but A SPY, a bard, an assassin who played and enjoyed the Grand Game.

So why don't people hate her too? She lied about her identity and put money and personal enjoyement above human lives a lot of times.

 

The only difference I see with Rainier is that he highlights his one and only fault, this way he makes himself vulnerable to people's judgement. Now I'm sure if he just said 'Yes I was payed to do a dirty job but I messed it all up, so what?' people wouldn't feel free to pillory him but would think 'oh he's such a naughty badass'.


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#8615
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It also occurs to me that Quizzie, if not Andrastrian who believes in it and after the Fade even some of them may be tested, also allows everyone to believe someone she's not. Different situation, of course, but interesting for their relationship nonetheless.

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Let's face it, he's absolutely friggin' criminal.
Look at the criminality.... Looooook!

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SEND HIM TO ME

I'LL PUNISH HIM!! >:333

#8617
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Let's face it, he's absolutely friggin' criminal.

Look at the criminality.... Looooook!

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Hm... *takes a very close look*

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Let's face it, he's absolutely friggin' criminal.

Look at the criminality.... Looooook!

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I've seen the full picture and....sweet jesus. 


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I'm going to have to go check to see a unicorn has suddenly materialized in my room now.
 
P.S. I hope there is no unicorn - they probably poop all over the place just like their real-world equine brethren.
 
BELATED EDIT: *ogles pic bugsie lnked* Maybe I should be hoping that that shows up in my room - unicorns, BEGONE!

Multicoloured unicorn poop doesn't seem so bad sitting along side that now does it?

#8620
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Also, I was wondering something. When you first meet Blackwall and he's fighting the bandits. Is it not kind of implied that one of them is one of his former men ? You have the note you pick up off the guys body. Blackwall with his. 'Thieves are made, not born' comment. Also it seems like the Bandits are specifically targeting him when they fight. It's just odd to me. 


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#8621
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If anyone wants the full pic I suppose I can link it in a pm or something. For the curious.  :P


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I would love the full pic. For furthering my scientific research on Blackwall, of course. :P
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I would love the full pic. For furthering my scientific research on Blackwall, of course. :P

Yes! We must have it, for science! 


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Sent it to you guys. 


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If anyone wants the full pic I suppose I can link it in a pm or something. For the curious.  :P

 

Uh, I'm curious.

 

*raises hand*

*raises both hands*