I still don't like beards, but Blackwall's an exception 
To break away from the "Ranier's crime was horrible" discussion, because I think no-one is denying that, I found this on tumblr.
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Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]
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#8902
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:31
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Good, bad, changed, not changed, Blackwall, Rainier.. complicated character but one thing is clear. He got a beard that I one day hope to be able to aspire too!
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:34
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I still don't like beards, but Blackwall's an exception
To break away from the "Ranier's crime was horrible" discussion, because I think no-one is denying that, I found this on tumblr.
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hell yeah when they make no armor mods im totally using that on him. Naked idd!
#8905
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:35
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Alistair was controversial? 
And CrazyRah, I wish you well in your beardy endeavours, tis a noble goal.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:39
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@elf: Ah, that might be a little hasty - it's just a warning point, righ? Even I've managed to get a 24-hour temp ban once. I would just cool off and come back later after chilling a bit, he
It's not just that, it's also that I'm tired of people popping in to throw their little bombs of hate and complaining about the fact that here,in the Blackwall fans thread, they find -REALLY? HOW?- a lot of his fans who -STRANGE!- like him!
There's also the fact that once a moderator wrote me via PM 'there must be something very wrong with you' because I said I'm a straight woman who favors manly straight men. Sorry but it's the Maker who made me this way. I respect everyone's ideas and sexuality but I ask for the same respect in return. I want to be free to speak about my sexual preferences without being judged or crucified in the same way gay people and bisex want to speak freely of their sexuality. It's very sad to see how those who suffer discriminations are so eager to pour the same intolerance on others when they have the chance, and when it's a moderator who does it makes me even sadder.
I'm a 43 years old woman and I'm wondering how old are the moderators, I think they should be chosen more... carefully? Wisely? I'm not so prone to be moderated by people who are less than half my age and that I could scold like I was their mother 
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#8907
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:40
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@ryz: I know they ran all the scenarios - I remember all the explanations and justifications in the game. But does that still give them the right to play God on that level? I still think they could have tried a little harde, and if co-existence and reasoning with the Krogans looked like it was going to fail, then fine - I would probably have agreed to unleash the genophage as a last resort. As far as the other stuff goes, I believe the low fertility rate was mentioned and also stillbirths in the Krogan females who did manage to get pregnant.
It's fine if you find Blackwall boring and unlikable and/or hypocritical no matter what. I get the feeling that he might seem judgmental to you in part because (and this is an assumption) that he's probably overcompensating and holding himself and everyone else up to a higher standard becuase of his own massive failings in his old life. Sure, he was a criminal who ran and assumed a false identity, but during the course of his years on the run, he actually did a lot of good and did, in fact, change.
You don't have to like him, but he sure as heck wasn't running away from anything anymore when he decided to leave the Inquisition and go back to Val Royeaux to stop the execution of Mornay by publicly exposing his true identity and taking responsibility for the original crime. If he was a coward when he ran after the initial crime, well, he certainly isn't one anymore by that point in the Revelations quest.
It's fine if you find Blackwall boring and unlikable and/or hypocritical no matter what. I get the feeling that he might seem judgmental to you in part because (and this is an assumption) that he's probably overcompensating and holding himself and everyone else up to a higher standard becuase of his own massive failings in his old life. Sure, he was a criminal who ran and assumed a false identity, but during the course of his years on the run, he actually did a lot of good and did, in fact, change.
You don't have to like him, but he sure as heck wasn't running away from anything anymore when he decided to leave the Inquisition and go back to Val Royeaux to stop the execution of Mornay by publicly exposing his true identity and taking responsibility for the original crime. If he was a coward when he ran after the initial crime, well, he certainly isn't one anymore by that point in the Revelations quest.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:44
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Sweet and an accurate representation of what I...uh...not finishing that thought upon further consideration...I still don't like beards, but Blackwall's an exception
To break away from the "Ranier's crime was horrible" discussion, because I think no-one is denying that, I found this on tumblr.
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#8909
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:47
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Looking for some more pics.
Typing into google "Blackwall sexy pics" really isn't delivering for me.
Black walls aren't really very sexy. They're just black, and wall like.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:51
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@ryz: I know they ran all the scenarios - I remember all the explanations and justifications in the game. But does that still give them the right to play God on that level? I still think they could have tried a little harde, and if co-existence and reasoning with the Krogans looked like it was going to fail, then fine - I would probably have agreed to unleash the genophage as a last resort. As far as the other stuff goes, I believe the low fertility rate was mentioned and also stillbirths in the Krogan females who did manage to get pregnant.
It's fine if you find Blackwall boring and unlikable and/or hypocritical no matter what. I get the feeling that he might seem judgmental to you in part because (and this is an assumption) that he's probably overcompensating and holding himself and everyone else up to a higher standard becuase of his own massive failings in his old life. Sure, he was a criminal who ran and assumed a false identity, but during the course of his years on the run, he actually did a lot of good and did, in fact, change.
You don't have to like him, but he sure as heck wasn't running away from anything anymore when he decided to leave the Inquisition and go back to Val Royeaux to stop the execution of Mornay by publicly exposing his true identity and taking responsibility for the original crime. If he was a coward when he ran after the initial crime, well, he certainly isn't one anymore by that point in the Revelations quest.
When it's either control their population or kill them all yes. (And yes those were their choices because the Krogan weren't listening to peace talks) I'm fairly certain the genophage was preferable to extinction and that was the other option. They certainly weren't going to roll over and let the Krogan dominate them all. The Salarians didn't twirl their mustaches and do that to the Krogan for the lulz. They were out of control and they were already badly beaten by the Rachni.
It was a last resort. You say you heard this then you should know about the failing of the peace talks and how the Krogan refused to stop expanding until they simply couldn't because the genophage kicked them in the nads. They even expand on this in freaking Citadel in the archives.
I'm the last last person to argue the Salarians are innocent of anything (those dumbasses were planning on uplifting the YAHG) but the Krogan very clearly brought their fate on themselves. They're lucky it wasn't worse.
The Salarians made a mistake uplifting them in the first place yes. But the Krogan decided that instead of joining galactic society they'd act like they owned the place and they got hastily shut down.
The stillbirths weren't mentioned til ME3. In ME2 Mordin very distinctly mentioned he only lowered fertility. He didn't cause still births (But it wouldn't be the first thing retconned in the ME series *coughCERBERUScough*) Either way still births or not he's not killing actual birthed children.
True it's still annoying finding someone who's not so squeaky clean themselves whining to my PC about making hard decisions for the benefit of her group. I mean...I have nothing against darker characters...it's the judging that pisses me off.
That is after you gain his approval/feelings. Which...is what I said. He was running until then however. But yeah he's not a coward when he turns himself in no. Up to that point though yes.
However my main annoyance with this is I have to fall for it. Oh well easily avoided by not recruiting to be perfectly fair.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 11:52
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Sweet and an accurate representation of what I...uh...not finishing thought upon further consideration...
I just love how Cole's comment can be taken both literally and metaphorically 
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#8912
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 12:58
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@ryz: Curse my ipad for making me delete all that by accident - grr. I agree that the Yahg would have been a mistake, so we agree on that. As for the stillbirths, could have sworn it got mentioned by Eve or down on Tuchanka at some point, but I may be remiss. It's 3 AM, and I need to sleep, so if I'm wrong on that, eh.
However, as far as the issue of last resorts go. I think the Citadel races could have tried harder but just didn't. They could have, in my opinion, gone with the option to give worlds that were worthless (to them) to the Krogans. Sure, Krogans in general can be dangerous and could have bred quickly pre-genophage, but you know, even with their propensity for violence there are Krogans with vision who can actually think beyond their immediate needs and desires like Eve and Wrex. They can see that the way forward is breaking with tradition and forging a new (hopefully less violent and destructive) path leading to a long-term future for their people. Might have worked out, might not - we'll never know.
And yeah, sometimes judgmental people tick me off (dude, if you knew this one author I'm currently dealing with...ugh). But I sort of get where that's coming from with Blackwall at least - like I said, I really just think it's over-compensation in his case - like he really wants to hew to the striaght and narrow after what he's done. Anyway, he ran and he hid like fugitives do, but he did do a crapload of self-improvement over time. In any case, time to sleep if I can, heh.
However, as far as the issue of last resorts go. I think the Citadel races could have tried harder but just didn't. They could have, in my opinion, gone with the option to give worlds that were worthless (to them) to the Krogans. Sure, Krogans in general can be dangerous and could have bred quickly pre-genophage, but you know, even with their propensity for violence there are Krogans with vision who can actually think beyond their immediate needs and desires like Eve and Wrex. They can see that the way forward is breaking with tradition and forging a new (hopefully less violent and destructive) path leading to a long-term future for their people. Might have worked out, might not - we'll never know.
And yeah, sometimes judgmental people tick me off (dude, if you knew this one author I'm currently dealing with...ugh). But I sort of get where that's coming from with Blackwall at least - like I said, I really just think it's over-compensation in his case - like he really wants to hew to the striaght and narrow after what he's done. Anyway, he ran and he hid like fugitives do, but he did do a crapload of self-improvement over time. In any case, time to sleep if I can, heh.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:22
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I can understand where that person is coming from. They fell in love with the persona Rainier was parading around in, so finding out that was all a lie and the person you fell in love with isn't the person you fell in love with would be something that could cause regret in ever falling for them in the first place since you feel like you were deceived and used, causing them to feel uncomfortable and vulnerable. However in Rainier's defense, he did try to push the Inquisitor away a few times.
As for Rainier being more Blackwall than the actual Blackwall, we'll have to disagree since Rainier was only acting like Blackwall to pass off as him while trying to find redemption. An actor can never be more real than the person they are acting as.
Well, since Bioware has not yet decided that I'm free to delete my account if and when I want to, and today thanks to the patch it's impossible to enjoy the game with all those graphics glitches I didn't experience before + a very difficult looting, I reply to this one.
They fell in love with the persona Rainier was parading around you say. Ok, who is the persona Rainier was parading around? We were only told he was someone who committed his life to the greater good, someone who was living a life of solitude and sacrifice to fight darkspawn exactly like a 'real' warden. Well, that's actually the person Rainier is and we meet in the Hinterlands, the only thing that changes is the name. Bioware never told us Blackwall was born a hero and we perfectly know that many Grey Wardens have a troubled past, many of them are forced to join the Order by the Right of Conscription, or ask to be recruited in order to escape the law. Duncan never asked to commit his life to a noble cause and was conscripted to save him from the gallows. Does this make of him less of the awesome man we meet in DAO?
What would have changed if the real Blackwall was never killed by the darkspawn and Rainier had the chance to become a 'real' warden? Would this erase his past to the eyes of his detractors? If he had the chance to join the Order as Thom Rainier he would have become an untouchable by the law, he was instead forced to assume the identity of Blackwall because of an unfortunate event i.e. the death of his recruiter. We have learnt how the Grey Wardens are an Order where people of any race and origin have the chance to erase their past and become something to be proud of.
I understand many people fell in love with a flawless hero without a past but that's not what wardens are and noone ever told us that Blackwall was born a warden and a hero. We were just told he was a man who spent the last 10 years of his life fighting to save innocents, and that's what he is. If he just was a coward who wanted to hide under a false identity he could have chosen something less ..uh.. demanding, don't you think?
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#8914
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:41
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I'm trying to avoid spoilers but just tell me, what have you got to do to get Blackwall's personal quest? I haven't gotten it on either of my characters, including the one who's in a romance with him and has crazy approval. I finished the Grey Warden stuff and expected... something. I just get the usual dialogue lines and I've exhausted those.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:50
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You've been to the storm coast with him? And accompanied him to the ruin?
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:52
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Quick question: can the Blackwall romance survive Gaspard ruling alone? I understand he was responsible for setting up the murders, but I read the book and he's also the sanest one of the bunch.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:55
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I couldn't dig any dirt on Celene (I figure it was behind that one locked door I couldn't get behind) so never even got the option to put him on the throne unfortunately. I honestly don't see why it wouldn't continue though.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:37
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I'm trying to avoid spoilers but just tell me, what have you got to do to get Blackwall's personal quest? I haven't gotten it on either of my characters, including the one who's in a romance with him and has crazy approval. I finished the Grey Warden stuff and expected... something. I just get the usual dialogue lines and I've exhausted those.
To trigger 'Revelations' you have to complete his quest on Storm Coast, 'Here lies the abyss' and 'Wicked eyes etc'. I assume you've completed he first two, so only the Grand Ball left to do.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:17
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So I am a bit too lazy right now to go back through the thread to check and see if this has already been brought up, but "on why to give Blackwall this background story"....
A few years back there was discussion about older male LI getting the Carth treatment and how it was getting old and tiresome. Not going to go into any details, but Blackwall's writer chimed in to try to get an understanding of what the issue was with older males having previously settled down/been in committed relationships/married/widowed/parented/etc. I wonder if Blackwall's background was done this way, so that a man in his mid-forties did not appear strange for never having been in a long term relationship in the past, which could be explained for a grey warden, but then the tragedy of losing him is also avoided. Thoughts?
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:35
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Quick question: can the Blackwall romance survive Gaspard ruling alone? I understand he was responsible for setting up the murders, but I read the book and he's also the sanest one of the bunch.
I don't think that will interfere.
Just make sure his approval doesn't get too low. He will dissaprove greatly if you let Celene die, which is the only way to make Gaspard emperor.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:49
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Oh lovely, more drama!
I think y'all need to stop comparing Blackwall to Mordin, if anything he should be compared to Sten or Loghain. Apart from the guilt, I don't think that Blackwall and Mordin's circumstances are that similar.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:57
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@Nhadalie, I think he's more interesting for it, but definitely a YMMV. I already see he's evoked some strong feelings from some people.
I've seen some of the kissing scenes for other romances (not anyone I don't want to be spoilered for though like Solas, Cass or Dorian) and I did like Cullen's kiss that startles the inquisitor. Unexpected/sudden kisses are always nice, like a reward for doing nothing.
My mage quizzy is romancing Cullen.....that initial scene was soooo well done. And funny.
Broke my car's ignition switch this morning....so no going to work....which mean...PLAY DAI all day today with no Hubs of kidling around. *sweeet*
But.....Blackwall doesn't really care for my character this playthrough *oh well* But I gotta get some screenshots, I may try my hand at drawing him.
And BTW, if any of you have a crab apple tree....next year make crab apple coridal. I decanted mine off this morning and holy goodness gracious.....thank goodness it was already planned as christmas gifts or I'd drink it all myself.
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 04:07
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I still don't like beards, but Blackwall's an exception
To break away from the "Ranier's crime was horrible" discussion, because I think no-one is denying that, I found this on tumblr.
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When Cole said that in my first play through, I had to pause and fan myself.....my imagination went wild.
Oh lovely, more drama!
I think y'all need to stop comparing Blackwall to Mordin, if anything he should be compared to Sten or Loghain. Apart from the guilt, I don't think that Blackwall and Mordin's circumstances are that similar.
I've always thought in some ways, Blackwall was more of a Thane type if comparing to an ME character. Although Thane was much more....distanced....from the killing he did, just seeing himself as a tool being used. While he didn't kill innocents (kids) like Blackwall did.....the idea of being hired to kill kind of still stands....and Thane in the scheme of things probably killed and was paied to kill more people. But he's also doing the 'redemtion' thing.....by killing 'bad' people to balance out his karma. (Blackwall balances his karma by defending people and killing darkspawn)
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 04:24
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I don't think that will interfere.
Just make sure his approval doesn't get too low. He will dissaprove greatly if you let Celene die, which is the only way to make Gaspard emperor.
Yeah, I let Celene die and he disapproved greatly, but the romance went on. Probably because his approval was already through the roof anyway.
On a related note, does he approve/disapprove if I conscript the mages?
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Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 04:52
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Blackwall believes willing/equal allies are the best. He does not approve if you conscript the mages.
