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[Ryzaki]

yeah Veeia I have to say the lying? It bothered me but not that much. But the turning the situation around is pretty much where my patience broke. And then the fact that you can't even do that in private but at the judgement and his romance leaves so many bad tastes in my mouth I can't.

 

But Solas is a mega douche (also whenever someone says he's not racist I lmfao. He pretty much busts out the "but you're different" speech in his high approval.) Liking a character doesn't mean ignoring their flaws damnit.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah, I didn't particularly like him leaving like that, but honestly, what was he going to do at that point? Like I said in that other thread, I think he just wanted the lying to end; he knew that things had come to a point where it had to be over one way or another after seeing Leliana's report. I would guess that in his head, he probably thought he was minimizing the damage and making it easier on the both of them.

 

Now you can probably accuse him of bad judgment for thinking that way, but he seemed pretty intent on facing up to what he'd done and dealing with it on his own terms. I just really don't see how the writers could have engineered things so that he could have stuck around, waited until the morning, and had a nice chat with the Inquisitor while lying to her face her some more, and then left for Val Royeaux (am also assuming the timer was ticking for Mornay as well).

[Ryzaki]

He could've not slept with her knowing he was leaving the next day. He could've said he had to leave instead of vanishing in the night like a thief letting her draw her own conclusions.

 

And the timer was running down for Mornay when he was rolling around in the hay with her so if it could wait then...

 

But even this could be understandable but then he gets all judgemental at the judgement and I just want to kick him in the face.

[veeia]

I'm pretty sure Blackwall had made up his mind to leave already at the bar, so having the sex scene at that part of the narrative doesn't seem necessary (and they even have an option where it's not there). I would have preferred a longer conversation and sex scene after the judgment, I think, but I don't know if that's the best possible solution. If I write a long form fic for them (possible), I may play around with other ideas, but I'm not gonna say they are necessarily BETTER or ones that would work in the context of a game medium vs prose, just ones that would personally work better for me, if that makes sense?

It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just that from a meta textual perspective, I don't care for it.

[AtreiyaN7]

Vis-a-vis Blackwall turning things around on you...I sort of get where that comes from. He had pretty much resolved himself to die, and then the Inquisitor kind of yanked him back from the brink of that. I think it was partially a matter of frustration and this emotional response because a large part of what he did was to protect the Inquisitor from having her reputation tainted by him.

 

And then what happens after all that? Depending on what you do, you either 1) calls in political favors and pulls strings for him by using Josephine's option, 2) maybe gets some people killed by using Cullen's option or 3) does something slightly shady by replacing him with someone already sentenced to death using Leliana's option.

 

In essence, I think he thinks he's corrupted the Inquisitor on some level and then sort of lashes out - it's certainly not deserved, and obviously, he's not in the best position to be making judgments about something like that, but I kind of get the response. It's like, really??? Did you really just say that after everything I did? 

 

At any rate, if a character were perfect and did everything right, they wouldn't be nearly as interesting for me. It's like how I understood how Kaidan was pissy on Horizon and didn't just jump into Shepard's arms. Everyone was all upset about it, but I pointed out that it was a completely normal and human response for him to be upset.

[veeia]

And lol, yeah, Solas is hella racist because he thinks he knows everything. It's a perfectly in character flaw. I just don't like people saying it's not there, haha.

[veeia]

I don't think Blackwall is intentionally turning it around on the player, he's just caught up wallowing, so it comes out that way. I liked that aspect, it gave his character more texture and believability. It was harder for Hella to forgive him, but that's good IMO. I liked that complexity.

[Ryzaki]

Oh man don't get me started on Horizon. I could whine about Horizon forever.

 

But eh I use Josephine or Leliana's option and honestly he's done worse. So the whining is annoying two fold. Also lol at him thinking he's corrupted my Inquisitor. How exactly did he think she gained the amount of resources she had? Baking pies? He of anyone should know the shady things necessary to gain and keep power and influence. So I'm not buying that.

 

But agreed on the perfect bit. It was a human and normal response for Kaidan to be upset. I disagree on how in character it was for him to shove his head pretty much in the sand though. (Hell you don't even get an apology letter unless you romanced him. But he at least apologizes in ME3.)

 

But anyway Blackwall...yeah. I think I could probably tolerate his romance if not for that judgement scene. Everything else was on my "annoying but tolerable" list.

[AtreiyaN7]

He could've not slept with her knowing he was leaving the next day. He could've said he had to leave instead of vanishing in the night like a thief letting her draw her own conclusions.

 

And the timer was running down for Mornay when he was rolling around in the hay with her so if it could wait then...

 

But even this could be understandable but then he gets all judgemental at the judgement and I just want to kick him in the face.

 

I'm just going to say that as far as sleeping with the Inquisitor goes, I'm assuming that maybe he wanted a final pleasant memory for both of them before rushing off to his doom, and technically, he did leave a note. No, none of this was ideal, but it wasn't a particularly normal situation that you deal with every day. Decisions get made, and sometimes they're upsetting and/or wrong. It is what it is.

[Ryzaki]

I'm just going to say that as far as sleeping with the Inquisitor goes, I'm assuming that maybe he wanted a final pleasant memory for both of them before rushing off to his doom, and technically, he did leave a note. No, none of this was ideal, but it wasn't a particularly normal situation that you deal with every day. Decisions get made, and sometimes they're upsetting and/or wrong. It is what it is.

 

How is being ditched after sex a pleasant last memory for the Inquisitor?

 

But no definitely not ideal. And I definitely understand why he did it but there's nothing admirable about it to me. 

 

But I do agree on the bolded.

[AtreiyaN7]

@Ryzaki: Yeah, I just think he has this certain mindset about the line between good and evil at this point, and that he's probably exceedingly...rigid about it because he's been afraid of falling back into his old ways. I think he's sort of projecting that onto the Inquisitor. And don't get me wrong - I wanted to smack him at the time as well. It's just that I was able to let it slide after taking some of this stuff into consideration.

[AtreiyaN7]

How is being ditched after sex a pleasant last memory for the Inquisitor?

 

But I do agree on the bolded.

 

The sex part, not so much the leaving part - lol.

[Ryzaki]

The sex part, not so much the leaving part - lol.

 

But the leaving part was a result. She's not just going to go "oooh that was a good lay" and then forget about waking butt naked alone in a barn.

[AtreiyaN7]

But the leaving part was a result. She's not just going to go "oooh that was a good lay" and then forget about waking butt naked alone in a barn.

 

I think it's what he thought - that having one night together as a final memory of their relationship was the best he could do under the circumstances before he had to leave. I'm pretty sure he wasn't going through a list of all the potential ramifications and what the Inquisitor's reaction might be in the aftermath of his departure. I tend to view it as an attempt at a romantic gesture that didn't really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeally did not work out as planned in any way, shape, or form.

[CredulousAlloy]

Honestly, him leaving the Inquisitor after their night in the barn didn't bother me all that much. His head was undoubtedly a mess at that point (he knew that this was the last night he was ever going to spend with the woman he loved, who still didn't know who he truly was, and that he was in all likelihood going to be executed the next day. I can't even imagine the thought processes going on there). It's not like this was an example of "**** her then leave her". He'd grown to genuinely love the Inquisitor by this point, and as well as hoping (perhaps naively) that riding off to face the hangman's noose without breathing a word would spare her the pain of finding out the truth about him, he also didn't want her coming after him and revealing her involvement with a wanted murderer, which could have brought her and the Inquisition into disrepute. Was this the right course of action? Probably not, and it's another example of the cowardice that defined so many of his past actions, and which he eventually manages to overcome, but I completely understood why he did it.

 

What DIDN'T sit right with me, however, was him leaving her naked and exposed in the freaking barn. Jesus, Blackwall, at least put a blanket over her or something. Or arrange for someone to have her carried back to her quarters. But I'm inclined to put this down to a blip in writing, as it really isn't consistent with how tender, courteous and gentlemanly he is towards the Inquisitor ordinarily (and I still don't quite understand why we needed to see our Quizzy in all her glory anyway, when it's fair to say most of us were probably hoping to see more of Blackwall's assets instead, ha).

[KealaFerret]

At least there's an alternate conversation path; I took the lousy leave in the morning one, then was a bit of a jerk when he was in the cell, let him argue his case a bit harder in judgment, and got over it. It was sad, but I was okay with it because to tell the truth, people screw up. I can't say I'm all about angst all the time, but nor am I about everyone getting everything right.

And at the end of the day, we'really talking about a video game. There's no room to ask someone to justify actions to our satisfaction. It means that people are going to fill in the blanks like they want to, people are going to fill in those blanks differently based on their own experience of world view. That's what makes storytelling potentially so powerful - regardless of if you like or hate a character, they evoked something.

I could tell stories about people that made mistakes, had others read into their actions what they wanted to, and seen lives destroyed based on those things (one of which is very very close to my heart and personal). So, a soft spot of mine maybe.

[Zwingtanz]

What DIDN'T sit right with me, however, was him leaving her naked and exposed in the freaking barn. Jesus, Blackwall, at least put a blanket over her or something. Or arrange for someone to have her carried back to her quarters. But I'm inclined to put this down to a blip in writing, as it really isn't consistent with how tender, courteous and gentlemanly he is towards the Inquisitor ordinarily (and I still don't quite understand why we needed to see our Quizzy in all her glory anyway, when it's fair to say most of us were probably hoping to see more of Blackwall's assets instead, ha).

Maybe Bioware simply didn't want to "ruin" the nude scene with a badly animated blanket in that cutscene .

[Ryzaki]

@Ryzaki: Yeah, I just think he has this certain mindset about the line between good and evil at this point, and that he's probably exceedingly...rigid about it because he's been afraid of falling back into his old ways. I think he's sort of projecting that onto the Inquisitor. And don't get me wrong - I wanted to smack him at the time as well. It's just that I was able to let it slide after taking some of this stuff into consideration.

 

Yeah I'm more annoyed than forgiving about that. White knighting while not actually being a white knight irks the hell out of me.

 

 

I think it's what he thought - that having one night together as a final memory of their relationship was the best he could do under the circumstances before he had to leave. I'm pretty sure he wasn't going through a list of all the potential ramifications and what the Inquisitor's reaction might be in the aftermath of his departure. I tend to view it as an attempt at a romantic gesture that didn't really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeally did not work out as planned in any way, shape, or form.

 

Yet another bad idea of his many bad ideas

 

Oh well.

 

You can finish his romance without having slept with him once right?
 

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah, a fur or blanket might have been nice. I suppose it might have been some sort of a cinematic decision to make it clear that they had done the deed despite his sudden departure. The fact that it would come across poorly in the context of everything that had happened maybe didn't occur to some people.

[veeia]

I think his white knighting just makes me kind of sad, because every time he turns outward on someone, he's stabbing the knife further into himself.

Also, it made me giggle. Because Blackwall, you trash king, I KNOW WHAT YOU DID.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yet another bad idea of his many bad ideas

 

Oh well.

 

You can finish his romance without having slept with him once right?
 

 

Lol - yeah. I don't believe you have to go through with the barn scene. I chose the tavern thing once as an experiment, and it looked like things were going to proceed as normal. I reloaded because I had other things to do (also because, ill-advised decisions or not, I was going to stick with the other option).

[Ryzaki]

Lol - yeah. I don't believe you have to go through with the barn scene. I chose the tavern thing once as an experiment, and it looked like things were going to proceed as normal. I reloaded because I had other things to do (also because, ill-advised decisions or not, I was going to stick with the other option).

 

If you can completely avoid sleeping with him I think I might be able to give him a dalish dual wield rogue gal. I need one of my characters to suffer more than usual

[Bugsie]

I really really dislike the whole reconciliation at judgement. It's poorly done and feels rushed. As for everything else, everyone else said it already, no need to repeat. As for the scene in the barn and him leaving after, I was worried enough to be worried how it plays out, but it actually made a whole lot of sense to me in the end. But why no chesty beardy goodness? Or was it boobs were already rendered in the engine... Anyway considering how crap the hair looks in general, maybe we should all be grateful that we didn't get it and just head canon it instead LOL.

You know what would have been a lovely scene? The two of them cosy under a blankie, (no boobs needed) then him telling her that he has some personal business to deal with or something, IDK. I'm sure I'll read a fan fiction take on it that does it differently that's pretty good (not that I mind the original too much, I think Sheryl did a great job of giving us some awesome feelz).

And Solas is a far bigger liar and dirtbag, especially to a romanced inquisitor. But he's still one of my favourite dirtbag liars.

[Bugsie]

People using the magical powers of extrapolation to conclude Blackwall raped the inquisitor because he lied about who he is. But also magically refusing to acknowledge that Solas did exactly the same thing but it's totally not rape because he's an awesome elf God and totally not a criminal beardy old dirtbag and leaving Quizzy naked in a barn without a blankie and an explanation is a terrible crime that only beardy rapists do.

Dumblr thinking at its finest.