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[veeia]

They're so sweet together after the reveal.

But ngl, I was REALLY bothered by Blackwall's comment to Dorian implying he wasnt a man, like more than anything else he ever said, that upset me. I'm really relieved that they made up, but I'm still mad at him about that.

[AtreiyaN7]

Heh, it'll take them some time to complete the dialogue pages. Especially with this nasty... bug or something X_X

Hmm, a scarf... I'd say something red? But maybe blue? Dark-blue but not indigo... Not green, definitelly not green

 

Well, everyone seems to think red was a bit overpowering as a main color for the dress uniforms on Wicked Eyes, but I can see it as an accent color in a scarf or sash! Anyway, I would happily leave all fashion designs in the hands of either Dorian or Vivienne (she still needs to introduce me to her seamstress!!!). Now that I think about it, Dorian and Viv should probably be my personal Team Project Runway, haha. I love their default outfits.

[AtreiyaN7]

@veeia: Blackwall is definitely not always the most tactful man in the universe, lol. But I think that's the sort of comment that he would probably apologize for eventually (after belatedly realizing he was a jerk about it). Seeing as he and Dorian do get along pretty well later on, I would certainly hope that he said sorry at some point.

[veeia]

@veeia: Blackwall is definitely not always the most tactful man in the universe, lol. But I think that's the sort of comment that he would probably apologize for eventually (after belatedly realizing he was a jerk about it). Seeing as he and Dorian do get along pretty well later on, I would certainly hope that he said sorry at some point.

 

I doubt he'd remember it to apologize, tbh. Ultimately I suppose it's not a big deal,  It just stuck out like a sore thumb to me because I'm bisexual, and I always play characters are either bi or gay, and his comment struck me as unfortunately pretty homophobic, even though I don't think Blackwall necessarily meant it to...it's that reactive thing of his, where he lashes out because he doesn't want people to see who he is, and ends up saying things that are hurtful to others. 

 

It's another one of those things that form a character standpoint, I get it. I am not saying it's out of character or anything, or that it's the worst thing ever he should be condemned for, but from a extra textual standpoint I'm like...really...did we need to do that...have the manly man straight man snap at the fashion conscience gay man that he's not man enough, or whatever...it especially probably left a bad taste for me because there were no flirt options with BW as a dude? If you could have flirted with him and had him be very charming and kind when he turns you down, that might contextualize their argument more, if that makes sense? 

[Bugsie]

I thought the whole trickster/rebellion thing was spelt out in the game - doesn't someone actually talk about the mistranslation rather than you having to read it? Or is it that I'm so inundated with codex information I'm mistaking it for actual in game dialogue? Playing a very Dalish elf ( but really loyalty is to family and clan not the Dalish as a whole) has been interesting trying to ignore what I know now, and no Solas, I'm not going to whip out insults and call you a flat ear. Sheesh.

Iron Bull was the only character I had any expectations for, and as a consequence can't help feel a measure of disappointment about how things panned out, especially as I rolled a femqunari thinking he'd be the first romance I'd play. He's still cool though, and drinking with him after the first dragon hunt is a favourite scene of mine. In relation to his personal quest, as that also didn't pan out the way I thought it would (big consequences? Where are you?) I'm not planning on abandoning anyone on a hill for no end game pay off in future playthroughs.

Oh and looking for photos of shirtless chesty bearded men on the Internet for photo manipulations has been, well... I had the same problem when wanting naked figures for practising life drawing, *must remember to put 'artistic' in front of things* to avoid future mis directions to certain sites.

[AtreiyaN7]

@veeia: Yeah, I agree - first time I heard that one, I just sort of cringed/winced. Admittedly, he probably wouldn't remember to apologize, but I can still hope that he would. And failing that, I would have just had my Quizzy grab Blackwall by the ear and made him apologize for it (in a perfect game world where I could do that anyway, heh).

[veeia]

Yeah, I was just disappointed by that banter. I was so excited to choose the "you two are so cute!" option because patronizing to squabbling men I adore, YES, but then it just didn't pan out the way I wanted. So it goes. But yeah, Hella definitely would have been like YOU TAKE THAT BACK BLACKWALL, DONT BE THAT BIG OF A JERK TO MY BFF OR NO COOKIES FOR YOU AND BY COOKIES I MEAN ACTUAL COOKIES AND ALSO SEX. 

[Bugsie]

I want the option to call him a beardy git when he says something stupid.

[AtreiyaN7]

I want the option to call him a beardy git when he says something stupid.

 

I will totally second that - lol.

[KealaFerret]

I would have loved a Dorian reply on that particular comment. Some kind of "oh, I am, too... I could show you?" and a nice awkward reply.

I do think it's cool how the relationships between companions evolve over time; everyone has a bit to learn from others, and some of that is reflected. A favorite is when Blackwall admits he's been too hard on Cole. You and everyone else, bah.

[Bugsie]

The evolution from disgust to a measure of regard/respect in conversation with companions is good too. And I love that he totally takes it on the chin when others pretty much call him a dirtbag.

Oh and what a magnificent dirtbag he is.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see a lot of people blaming him for that dog incident and it was pretty grim but how was it his fault? He was a kid and if adults did nothing how he could do anything? I kind of love the fact that his writer addied this moment, because it feels realistic. Close to real life

How often such cases happen in real life? How often people are too afraid to do anything to stop bad **** from happening? 

I agree with it not being his fault since he didn't participate in stringing the dog up, but I disagree with the notion that it is okay he didn't do anything to stop it. Being scared is no excuse to not step in and help others. 

I see the dog scene as foreshadowing to his revelation since like leaving the dog to die instead of stopping what he knew was wrong to save himself from being hurt by the bullies, he leaves his men to die as scapegoats while he runs away instead of owning up to the crime he led. Both choices result in something being hanged, but unlike the dog where he lets it happen when it comes to his executive officer he finally steps in and stops it.

[Milan92]

He couldnt have done anything. 1 vs a group is simply not gonna work. They would have beaten the crap out of him and the dog would have died anyway.

[veeia]

I still haven't triggered the damn dog scene, but I think I probably agree with you Kallen. It's a very human reaction, to not do anything when no one else is, and sadly one that kids especially fall prey to. But its braver and better to do something, even if its foolish. I would sympathize with and forgive him...I wouldn't blame him. But I agree, it was foreshadowing and echoes the way he's lived his life according to other people's perspectives instead of developing his own moral compass. He changes though, and that's big. A lot of people don't.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He couldnt have done anything. 1 vs a group is simply not gonna work. They would have beaten the crap out of him and the dog would have died anyway.

He could have brought a knife and cut the dog loose. He would still be beat up but the dog wouldn't die.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I still haven't triggered the damn dog scene, but I think I probably agree with you Kallen. It's a very human reaction, to not do anything when no one else is, and sadly one that kids especially fall prey to. But its braver and better to do something, even if its foolish. I would sympathize with and forgive him...I wouldn't blame him. But I agree, it was foreshadowing and echoes the way he's lived his life according to other people's perspectives instead of developing his own moral compass. He changes though, and that's big. A lot of people don't.

Here's the scene if you're curious: 

 

 

Yeah, after having that scene followed immediately by the revelation scene I was like "Wait a minute. I see where they are going with this. He is going to step in this time." and lo and behold that's what he did. 

[Milan92]

He could have brought a knife and cut the dog loose. He would still be beat up but the dog wouldn't die.

And what if he would gotten killed or beaten up so bad that he couldnt walk again?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what if he would gotten killed or beaten up so bad that he couldnt walk again?

Again, he'd have a knife. The urchins would probably back off. 

But what, are you saying it is better to let something die than to risk harm to stop it from happening? 

[Milan92]

Again, he'd have a knife. The urchins would probably back off.
But what, are you saying it is better to let something die than to risk harm to stop it from happening?

And you think they wouldnt have knives either?

Risking life over a random dog? Not worth it, no. Not when the odds are against you.

[veeia]

I'm *this* close to getting it with my current PT, so I'll hold off, I enjoy seeing new content in game, but if I miss it this time, I'll break down and use that link, hehe. Thanks  

[CredulousAlloy]

I doubt he'd remember it to apologize, tbh. Ultimately I suppose it's not a big deal, It just stuck out like a sore thumb to me because I'm bisexual, and I always play characters are either bi or gay, and his comment struck me as unfortunately pretty homophobic, even though I don't think Blackwall necessarily meant it to...it's that reactive thing of his, where he lashes out because he doesn't want people to see who he is, and ends up saying things that are hurtful to others.

It's another one of those things that form a character standpoint, I get it. I am not saying it's out of character or anything, or that it's the worst thing ever he should be condemned for, but from a extra textual standpoint I'm like...really...did we need to do that...have the manly man straight man snap at the fashion conscience gay man that he's not man enough, or whatever...it especially probably left a bad taste for me because there were no flirt options with BW as a dude? If you could have flirted with him and had him be very charming and kind when he turns you down, that might contextualize their argument more, if that makes sense?

Yeah, I was disappointed by that comment, too. I mean, I'm gay, and I wouldn't like Blackwall as much as I do if I thought for one second he was actually homophobic, but I think his remark, like you said, was something he just blurted out in the heat of an argument without thinking of how hateful it might sound. He and Dorian don't start off on the best footing but they do come to like/respect each other by the end, and Blackwall even asks if they could be friends (Dorian's response was something hilarious about requiring time and a lot of soap, lol), so I don't think he has any prejudice towards LGBT people. Sera is his closest friend in the Inner Circle, after all, and I assume he doesn't act any differently towards a gay Inquisitor either (I'll be romancing Dorian after my Solas playthrough, so I guess I'll find out soon).

As some of you have been saying, I really like how he eventually reaches some form of resolution with characters he doesn't initially get along with all that well, like Dorian and Varric. Viv is the obvious exception here, because...well, because she's Viv. I remember after the reveal, everyone else reacted with the expected anger and disappointment, but Viv just laughed at him because she'd been giving him sh*t about being a Warden when it turned out he's even lower than that. I still enjoy her as a character, but her reaction spoke volumes to me; while everyone else felt shocked and betrayed by his lie, she didn't really care about what he'd done and just saw it as another stick to beat him with. I just love the animosity between them; they're like this game's Morrigan and Alistair to me, in a way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And you think they wouldnt have knives either?

Risking life over a random dog? Not worth it, no. Not when the odds are against you.

There is nothing in the scene that suggests they do, so until otherwise they were unarmed with the exception of rope. 

Alright, let's change the scenario. Instead of a dog, it was a person. Would you help then, or would you still leave them to die? 

 

 

I'm *this* close to getting it with my current PT, so I'll hold off, I enjoy seeing new content in game, but if I miss it this time, I'll break down and use that link, hehe. Thanks 

You're welcome. 

[KealaFerret]

And what if he would gotten killed or beaten up so bad that he couldnt walk again?

The point is that the person he used to be would let those "what ifs" drive him to inaction. The person he is now doesn't let all the "what ifs" keeping him from stepping up and saving someone/something.

[Milan92]

There is nothing in the scene that suggests they do, so until otherwise they were unarmed with the exception of rope.
Alright, let's change the scenario. Instead of a dog, it was a person. Would you help then, or would you still leave them to die?

It would really depend on the situation.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I still haven't triggered the damn dog scene, but I think I probably agree with you Kallen. It's a very human reaction, to not do anything when no one else is, and sadly one that kids especially fall prey to. But its braver and better to do something, even if its foolish. I would sympathize with and forgive him...I wouldn't blame him. But I agree, it was foreshadowing and echoes the way he's lived his life according to other people's perspectives instead of developing his own moral compass. He changes though, and that's big. A lot of people don't.

 

He might have been afraid of getting into trouble or wasting someone's time.  A lot of kids have that sense of authority drummed into them and a fear of rocking the boat by speaking up.  I remember seeing an injured cat once.  I wanted to run home and tell my parents so they could help the poor thing, but I was too scared to miss the bus and get into trouble at school.  I guess I was too afraid to take any kind of action by myself as I was too used to being told what to do.  It took me until my 20s to be able to speak up and say what I wanted.  I still feel guilty about the cat on occasion.